(10-23-2020 01:54 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 01:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 01:16 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 01:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 01:06 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  The merit scholarships are for athletes. You basically have to be providing the financial equivalent of 60 scholarships to football players, which can be spread among athletic scholarships and other aid. So, if you take a kid, give him an academic scholarship that pays tuition, room, and board, and he is on the football team, he counts towards your equivalencies.

The other thing to note is that FCS allows partial scholarships. So if you give a kid a 1/2 athletic scholarship, that counts for 1/2 of a counter. But, if you top that up with merit aid or some other funds, you can get him to be a full counter.

I assume those have to be offset with female opportunities for title ix purposes, but have no authority for that.

Long story short, if the WAC wanted to be the NEC-West, they could cap athletic scholarships at 40, give a bunch of in-state kids some partial merit scholarships, and still play FBS games.

So if they're spending the same amount of money with 40 athletic+20 merit vs. 60 athletic, what's the advantage?

Different funding pots.

You mean it's an internal budgeting thing? Or is it a way to get around NCAA regulations?

Internal budgeting. Non-profit and governmental accounting standards are very strict. You can't just move money around, so this is a way to let you use academic funds to pay for athletics legitimately.

So why don't more schools do this?

(10-22-2020 03:15 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 11:50 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 09:34 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Things are heating up on reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/jf...t_invites/

DavidS12 = David St?

How about my sources that has 20 schools joining the WAC!


I’m sure the WAC may have someone interested but with COVID around, things are being re-analyzed and slowed down.

It is almost certainly him. Same thought process, many of the same old ideas, and definitely the same poor writing style. How many more times can we hear the story about the West Tex A&M statement about being unhappy with D2 leadership. I mean, seriously? How many more???

And the number of times he states that West Texas A&M used to be D1. He also still thinks WTAMU has a 20,000 seat stadium. Kimbrough was sold in 2017 to Canyon ISD and has been re-named. The Buffaloes now play in their new 8,500 (expandable to 14,000) seat on-campus stadium.

(10-23-2020 02:14 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 03:15 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 11:50 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 09:34 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Things are heating up on reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/jf...t_invites/

DavidS12 = David St?

How about my sources that has 20 schools joining the WAC!


I’m sure the WAC may have someone interested but with COVID around, things are being re-analyzed and slowed down.

It is almost certainly him. Same thought process, many of the same old ideas, and definitely the same poor writing style. How many more times can we hear the story about the West Tex A&M statement about being unhappy with D2 leadership. I mean, seriously? How many more???

And the number of times he states that West Texas A&M used to be D1. He also still thinks WTAMU has a 20,000 seat stadium. Kimbrough was sold in 2017 to Canyon ISD and has been re-named. The Buffaloes now play in their new 8,500 (expandable to 14,000) seat on-campus stadium.

I think the problem is that David exists outside of time. That's why it's so hard for him to keep track of what time we are all in.

(10-23-2020 02:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 01:54 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 01:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 01:16 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 01:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  So if they're spending the same amount of money with 40 athletic+20 merit vs. 60 athletic, what's the advantage?

Different funding pots.

You mean it's an internal budgeting thing? Or is it a way to get around NCAA regulations?

Internal budgeting. Non-profit and governmental accounting standards are very strict. You can't just move money around, so this is a way to let you use academic funds to pay for athletics legitimately.

So why don't more schools do this?

I'm guessing because the awarding of academic merit scholarships is based on academic merit. So any athletes who receive that money will have to meet the associated academic standards. That reduces your flexibility from a recruiting and eligibility standpoint. It's not enough to ensure all of your scholarship players are meeting minimum academic requirements to be awarded or continue receiving their financial aid. Some of them will have to clear a higher bar.

To be clear, I'm not saying a typical FCS football roster only consists of kids who couldn't quality for academic merit scholarships. I'm saying that it probably takes a lot more planning and monitoring by the football staff and coordination with the financial aid office to ensure players receiving academic instead of athletic scholarships are meeting the applicable academic merit criteria.

(10-23-2020 02:42 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 02:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 01:54 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 01:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 01:16 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Different funding pots.

You mean it's an internal budgeting thing? Or is it a way to get around NCAA regulations?

Internal budgeting. Non-profit and governmental accounting standards are very strict. You can't just move money around, so this is a way to let you use academic funds to pay for athletics legitimately.

So why don't more schools do this?

I'm guessing because the awarding of academic merit scholarships is based on academic merit. So any athletes who receive that money will have to meet the associated academic standards. That reduces your flexibility from a recruiting and eligibility standpoint. It's not enough to ensure all of your scholarship players are meeting minimum academic requirements to be awarded or continue receiving their financial aid. Some of them will have to clear a higher bar.

To be clear, I'm not saying a typical FCS football roster only consists of kids who couldn't quality for academic merit scholarships. I'm saying that it probably takes a lot more planning and monitoring by the football staff and coordination with the financial aid office to ensure players receiving academic instead of athletic scholarships are meeting the applicable academic merit criteria.

Yep. Not only do you have to come in meeting certain benchmarks, you also have to maintain a certain GPA generally. Also, getting a full merit scholarship is rarer, so it is helpful to be able to give partial athletic aid which FCS schools can do but FBS can't.

I would guess that this is fairly common across the entire FCS, particularly at state schools. It's also how the Ivy League would technically count towards bowl eligibility if they chose to play those games.

Abilene Christian made the above statement; according to social media - SFA & SHSU provided general statements basically indicating that they are always exploring what alignment works best for their athletic department, Lamar is trying to ignore FOIA requests and has not issued anything to date.

These wishy-washy lawyer statements say nothing, and intentionally so. No school wants to be seen as $hitting on another conference, but they also don't want to commit themselves for life to their current conference in case a better opportunity comes up.

(10-23-2020 07:46 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 02:42 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 02:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 01:54 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 01:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  You mean it's an internal budgeting thing? Or is it a way to get around NCAA regulations?

Internal budgeting. Non-profit and governmental accounting standards are very strict. You can't just move money around, so this is a way to let you use academic funds to pay for athletics legitimately.

So why don't more schools do this?

I'm guessing because the awarding of academic merit scholarships is based on academic merit. So any athletes who receive that money will have to meet the associated academic standards. That reduces your flexibility from a recruiting and eligibility standpoint. It's not enough to ensure all of your scholarship players are meeting minimum academic requirements to be awarded or continue receiving their financial aid. Some of them will have to clear a higher bar.

To be clear, I'm not saying a typical FCS football roster only consists of kids who couldn't quality for academic merit scholarships. I'm saying that it probably takes a lot more planning and monitoring by the football staff and coordination with the financial aid office to ensure players receiving academic instead of athletic scholarships are meeting the applicable academic merit criteria.

Yep. Not only do you have to come in meeting certain benchmarks, you also have to maintain a certain GPA generally. Also, getting a full merit scholarship is rarer, so it is helpful to be able to give partial athletic aid which FCS schools can do but FBS can't.

I would guess that this is fairly common across the entire FCS, particularly at state schools. It's also how the Ivy League would technically count towards bowl eligibility if they chose to play those games.

The academic scholarships also help you get walkons in FBS. Both in terms of institutional scholarships where a P5 public might steal a recruit from Rice or something because they'll qualify for a big academic scholarship at the P5 that offsets Rice offering a full athletic scholarship.

And it also helps in states that have large scholarship programs for students like Florida Bright Futures and Georgia Hope. UCF has stolen walk-ons away from SBC/MAC type scholarship offers because the guy has a full-ride to UCF on Florida Bright Futures, which doesn't count against the 85 scholly cap.

Usually if there’s a wishy washy statement like that it’s because conversations are happening. If they weren’t, they’d release something to the effect of “we are a proud member of the Southland and plan to remain so. We have not been in any discussions with other conferences.”

This tells me they’ve talked to the WAC and haven’t automatically shut the conversation down.

So IOW's, after 13 pages of posts, the WAC still doesn't have the promised 10th member, right?

(10-29-2020 01:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  So IOW's, after 13 pages of posts, the WAC still doesn't have the promised 10th member, right?

Pretty much. But the schools in question haven't given the expected "WAC? LOLnope" statements. And discussions of how academic scholarships and financial aid packages can be used to get around athletic scholarship limits sometimes.

(10-23-2020 02:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 02:14 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 03:15 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 11:50 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 09:34 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Things are heating up on reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/jf...t_invites/

DavidS12 = David St?

How about my sources that has 20 schools joining the WAC!


I’m sure the WAC may have someone interested but with COVID around, things are being re-analyzed and slowed down.

It is almost certainly him. Same thought process, many of the same old ideas, and definitely the same poor writing style. How many more times can we hear the story about the West Tex A&M statement about being unhappy with D2 leadership. I mean, seriously? How many more???

And the number of times he states that West Texas A&M used to be D1. He also still thinks WTAMU has a 20,000 seat stadium. Kimbrough was sold in 2017 to Canyon ISD and has been re-named. The Buffaloes now play in their new 8,500 (expandable to 14,000) seat on-campus stadium.

I think the problem is that David exists outside of time. That's why it's so hard for him to keep track of what time we are all in.

David actually comes from a parallel universe where Slippery Rock is a FBS powerhouse.

(10-29-2020 06:09 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 02:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 02:14 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 03:15 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 11:50 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  DavidS12 = David St?

How about my sources that has 20 schools joining the WAC!


I’m sure the WAC may have someone interested but with COVID around, things are being re-analyzed and slowed down.

It is almost certainly him. Same thought process, many of the same old ideas, and definitely the same poor writing style. How many more times can we hear the story about the West Tex A&M statement about being unhappy with D2 leadership. I mean, seriously? How many more???

And the number of times he states that West Texas A&M used to be D1. He also still thinks WTAMU has a 20,000 seat stadium. Kimbrough was sold in 2017 to Canyon ISD and has been re-named. The Buffaloes now play in their new 8,500 (expandable to 14,000) seat on-campus stadium.

I think the problem is that David exists outside of time. That's why it's so hard for him to keep track of what time we are all in.

David actually comes from a parallel universe where Slippery Rock is a FBS powerhouse.

That makes sense. Slippery Rock did play games at the Big House in 1979 (v Shippensburg) and 1981 (v Wayne State MI).

Bump

(11-03-2020 05:36 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Bump

Why?

Bump needs to add at least two more sports before making the jump to Division I.

(11-08-2020 04:42 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Bump needs to add at least two more sports before making the jump to Division I.

I must admit they had an amazing fund raising to erect a new facility for their field programs. It's a Tuff Shed.

(11-08-2020 06:40 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 04:42 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Bump needs to add at least two more sports before making the jump to Division I.

I must admit they had an amazing fund raising to erect a new facility for their field programs. It's a Tuff Shed.

Bump College of Science opened up a center for ants.... Pac-12 watch out .

Last I heard Bump was working on branch affiliates all over the country in the model of the Community Christian. And about 8 years ago, around the same time West Texas A&M spoke of their displeasure with D2, Bump leadership stated they fully intend to move up to strictly Amish made sheds going forward. Tough blow to Tuff Sheds.

Matt Brown vs David Street — $hit is going DOWN on twitter!