(09-29-2020 11:21 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 11:15 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 11:06 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I don't think BYU has played as talented an offensive team as Tech has. I'm not saying we are going to beat them but I think we are more athletic on the offensive side of the ball than Troy or Navy. Our passing game is for sure better.

While I agree with you that Tech's offence has looked better than those two. Especially with the GT as qb. Tech really hasnt played against a defense with a pulse.

That's what I was getting at when I said I've watched both Tech fb games and still cant tell a damn thing...good or bad. The Tech defense went against two good passers and the yards and points last week are deceiving. But they were big points and big yards and USM ran the ball pretty good for a very poor running offense. The Tech offense has played against two paper tigers...while looking good doing it.

Not getting down early will be the key

The USM offense was playing against literally 9 freshmen and about 6 sophomores on defense who registered tackles in that game. 19 freshmen PLAYED on both sides of the ball in that game.

Yes, I know that, while those freshmen now have 2 compete games behind them. They are still freshmen and playing a team that looked very very good...

even if the opponents BYU played are suspect this year. If I was a Tech fan I would be pleased with the freshmen play. But still worried because of the point/yards.
In that same view I dont think BYU is as good as they have showed on offense.

(09-29-2020 11:41 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 11:21 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 11:15 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 11:06 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I don't think BYU has played as talented an offensive team as Tech has. I'm not saying we are going to beat them but I think we are more athletic on the offensive side of the ball than Troy or Navy. Our passing game is for sure better.

While I agree with you that Tech's offence has looked better than those two. Especially with the GT as qb. Tech really hasnt played against a defense with a pulse.

That's what I was getting at when I said I've watched both Tech fb games and still cant tell a damn thing...good or bad. The Tech defense went against two good passers and the yards and points last week are deceiving. But they were big points and big yards and USM ran the ball pretty good for a very poor running offense. The Tech offense has played against two paper tigers...while looking good doing it.

Not getting down early will be the key

The USM offense was playing against literally 9 freshmen and about 6 sophomores on defense who registered tackles in that game. 19 freshmen PLAYED on both sides of the ball in that game.

Yes, I know that, while those freshmen now have 2 compete games behind them. They are still freshmen and playing a team that looked very very good...

even if the opponents BYU played are suspect this year. If I was a Tech fan I would be pleased with the freshmen play. But still worried because of the point/yards.
In that same view I don't think BYU is as good as they have showed on offense.

Well, LA Tech did beat 'em (HBU) by a larger margin (28 pts) than anybody else. And we also held em to less passing yardage than anybody else too. By far.

Actually, I think HBU's passing game was great "practice" for this upcoming BYU game. It gave Tech's defense a lot of different looks to work on at very little expense. Also, that HBU QB is a solid NFL prospect. It was very good work for us.

The HBU QB Zappe kid is awesome. He would of been a great player for many FBS Texas schools. Their WRs were outstanding as well.

They did a good job with the Air Raid. Anyone looking for an OC? Look up HBU's. Someone will snatch him up after this season.

(09-29-2020 03:58 PM)LRdawg Wrote:  The HBU QB Zappe kid is awesome. He would of been a great player for many FBS Texas schools. Their WRs were outstanding as well.

They did a good job with the Air Raid. Anyone looking for an OC? Look up HBU's. Someone will snatch him up after this season.

We should try to get him.

I haven’t seen LT play this year, but I did watch BYU v Troy. I was very impressed with that win. I will be pulling hard for our conference mate to pull this one out.

(09-30-2020 07:23 AM)UABGrad Wrote:  I haven’t seen LT play this year, but I did watch BYU v Troy. I was very impressed with that win. I will be pulling hard for our conference mate to pull this one out.

I appreciate that. I have come to accept the fact that we all don't know who our teams really are given all the distractions and day to day depth chart problems. I am high on my team because I see promise. I am also fully aware that BYU has been crisp and fundamentally sound. I feel that we are going to put up a lot more of a fight than BYU has seen all year. As a CUSA member we have never lost an OOC game to an other G5 Conference team but we have lost to an FCS team and ARMY. I am hopeful that this is one Independent that we can surprise in Provo.

(09-29-2020 11:06 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I don't think BYU has played as talented an offensive team as Tech has. I'm not saying we are going to beat them but I think we are more athletic on the offensive side of the ball than Troy or Navy. Our passing game is for sure better.

You're really underestimating this. Troy is extremely athletic and fast on offense with a few All-SBC players on that side of the ball. Not saying La Tech isn't, I'm sure they are. I'm sure your passing game is better also from what I've seen of your QB.

But to say BYU hasn't played as talented an offense as La Tech? C'mon..

I have a feeling you guys are going to be surprised just how good this BYU team is. Troy has played many P5's over the years, and I've never seen a P5 as big and physical as this BYU team.

(09-29-2020 11:35 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  This year, I honestly believe the 2 teams BYU has played (Navy & Troy) were just too one-dimensional. And let's be honest, just not very good. The Cougars really haven't been tested yet. But I believe they are about to be.

Navy and Troy aren't very good? Navy is one dimensional of course, yet it's been successful for them against many teams, even P5's. They run their system well. BYU just physically whooped Navy at the line of scrimmage, which was the difference. And then they did the same against a Troy O-line that's averaging 6' 4" and 290 lbs.

Troy, on the other hand, is not one dimensional. Against MTSU Troy had 240 rush yards/250 pass yards. The offense likes to pass, but they really go with whatever the opposing defense is giving them. Troy had quite a few games last year where we had more rush attempts than pass attempts.

Plain and simple, BYU dominates the line of scrimmage with their size and aggressiveness, and it disrupts the entire offense.

(09-30-2020 08:51 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 11:06 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I don't think BYU has played as talented an offensive team as Tech has. I'm not saying we are going to beat them but I think we are more athletic on the offensive side of the ball than Troy or Navy. Our passing game is for sure better.

You're really underestimating this. Troy is extremely athletic and fast on offense with a few All-SBC players on that side of the ball. Not saying La Tech isn't, I'm sure they are. I'm sure your passing game is better also from what I've seen of your QB.

But to say BYU hasn't played as talented an offense as La Tech? C'mon..

I have a feeling you guys are going to be surprised just how good this BYU team is. Troy has played many P5's over the years, and I've never seen a P5 as big and physical as this BYU team.

(09-29-2020 11:35 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  This year, I honestly believe the 2 teams BYU has played (Navy & Troy) were just too one-dimensional. And let's be honest, just not very good. The Cougars really haven't been tested yet. But I believe they are about to be.

Navy and Troy aren't very good? Navy is one dimensional of course, yet it's been successful for them against many teams, even P5's. They run their system well. BYU just physically whooped Navy at the line of scrimmage, which was the difference. And then they did the same against a Troy O-line that's averaging 6' 4" and 290 lbs.

Troy, on the other hand, is not one dimensional. Against MTSU Troy had 240 rush yards/250 pass yards. The offense likes to pass, but they really go with whatever the opposing defense is giving them. Troy had quite a few games last year where we had more rush attempts than pass attempts.

Plain and simple, BYU dominates the line of scrimmage with their size and aggressiveness, and it disrupts the entire offense.

It wasn't my intent to down Troy here. I wish you guys the best of luck. Looking at the stat lines of your first two games, it appears you are a run first team. Your QB is averaging 205 yards passing and you haven't had a receiver get over 75 yards in a game and that includes a 47-14 victory over MTSU. I believe Troy is athletic but I also believe that BYU hasn't faced a passing team yet. BYU's strength is going to be their lines and we would have to earn every rushing yard we get. I do worry about our O-line in this game, but I am hopeful that the screen passes will give us space and the deep ball will equalize the advantage they have up front. Our strength this year and last year has been our WR corp. We get the ball out in space and if we have a shot at winning this game that will be where we do it. Once again, not a slight on Troy.

(09-30-2020 09:24 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I do worry about our O-line in this game, but I am hopeful that the screen passes will give us space and the deep ball will equalize the advantage they have up front. Our strength this year and last year has been our WR corp. We get the ball out in space and if we have a shot at winning this game that will be where we do it. Once again, not a slight on Troy.

Funny enough, that's what Troy started trying to do in the 1st and 2nd quarters. Troy began throwing different screen passes. Troy's strength this year is also the WR's (undoubtedly the best group in the SBC), just like La Tech.

But BYU was only rushing three D-linemen for most of the game, and dropping 3 LB's into coverage or using them as spies. So every time we tried a screen pass, the blocking for the screen pass was overwhelmed by the extra linebackers, so we generally only gained a couple yards each time.

I fully expect BYU to do the same against La Tech. You would think you would be able to run on them with their defensive scheme. You can every now and then, but that BYU D-Line and those LB's are all over the place.

I'm curious to see how La Tech does. Holtz usually puts together a solid team. If BYU somehow winds up whooping your Bulldogs like they did us and Navy, it'll be safe to say that BYU is a beast this year.

(09-30-2020 10:02 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(09-30-2020 09:24 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I do worry about our O-line in this game, but I am hopeful that the screen passes will give us space and the deep ball will equalize the advantage they have up front. Our strength this year and last year has been our WR corp. We get the ball out in space and if we have a shot at winning this game that will be where we do it. Once again, not a slight on Troy.

Funny enough, that's what Troy started trying to do in the 1st and 2nd quarters. Troy began throwing different screen passes. Troy's strength this year is also the WR's (undoubtedly the best group in the SBC), just like La Tech.

But BYU was only rushing three D-linemen for most of the game, and dropping 3 LB's into coverage or using them as spies. So every time we tried a screen pass, the blocking for the screen pass was overwhelmed by the extra linebackers, so we generally only gained a couple yards each time.

I fully expect BYU to do the same against La Tech. You would think you would be able to run on them with their defensive scheme. You can every now and then, but that BYU D-Line and those LB's are all over the place.

I'm curious to see how La Tech does. Holtz usually puts together a solid team. If BYU somehow winds up whooping your Bulldogs like they did us and Navy, it'll be safe to say that BYU is a beast this year.

Only playing the game will answer these questions. If they torch Tech they deserve their ranking. We don't get blown out often and when we do its to really good teams.

La Tech will have be plus 2 or more in the turnover margin and win the special teams battle to have a chance in this game. BYU is extremely solid. I've got BYU winning 48-24ish.

I was advocating NOT scheduling BYU this year, especially after watching their demolition of Navy. No one beats Navy like that, not Ohio State, not Notre Dame...but BYU sure did. That said, I think we'll do "okay" but this will be one of those moral victories, if we make it somewhat competitive, and hopefully, no one gets hurt.

Still have some tough CUSA games looming, UTEP, Marshall, UAB, and UTSA too.

(09-30-2020 08:51 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 11:06 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I don't think BYU has played as talented an offensive team as Tech has. I'm not saying we are going to beat them but I think we are more athletic on the offensive side of the ball than Troy or Navy. Our passing game is for sure better.

You're really underestimating this. Troy is extremely athletic and fast on offense with a few All-SBC players on that side of the ball. Not saying La Tech isn't, I'm sure they are. I'm sure your passing game is better also from what I've seen of your QB.

But to say BYU hasn't played as talented an offense as La Tech? C'mon..

I have a feeling you guys are going to be surprised just how good this BYU team is. Troy has played many P5's over the years, and I've never seen a P5 as big and physical as this BYU team.

(09-29-2020 11:35 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  This year, I honestly believe the 2 teams BYU has played (Navy & Troy) were just too one-dimensional. And let's be honest, just not very good. The Cougars really haven't been tested yet. But I believe they are about to be.

Navy and Troy aren't very good? Navy is one dimensional of course, yet it's been successful for them against many teams, even P5's. They run their system well. BYU just physically whooped Navy at the line of scrimmage, which was the difference. And then they did the same against a Troy O-line that's averaging 6' 4" and 290 lbs.

Troy, on the other hand, is not one dimensional. Against MTSU Troy had 240 rush yards/250 pass yards. The offense likes to pass, but they really go with whatever the opposing defense is giving them. Troy had quite a few games last year where we had more rush attempts than pass attempts.

Plain and simple, BYU dominates the line of scrimmage with their size and aggressiveness, and it disrupts the entire offense.

Please don't tell us how "extremely athletic and fast" Troy is when they got DOMINATED at every single position. In addition to the 48 points BYU rang up (only because BYU refused to score again at the end of the game), BYU totaled 664 yds of total offense compared to Troy's 181 yards. That's an absurd difference.

You don't think Troy was "one dimensional" against BYU? Troy had only 19 yards rushing and only 162 yds passing against BYU. That was for the whole game! I will admit that it's difficult to ascertain just how good BYU is or isn't this year, but Troy certainly didn't help make it any easier by failing to show up.

By the way, I was pulling for Troy in this game, not BYU. I was genuinely hoping to see Troy exploit some weakness or shortcoming on BYU's part, but that didn't happen. It just turned out to be a blood bath.

(09-30-2020 03:14 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Please don't tell us how "extremely athletic and fast" Troy is when they got DOMINATED at every single position. In addition to the 48 points BYU rang up (only because BYU refused to score again at the end of the game), BYU totaled 664 yds of total offense compared to Troy's 181 yards. That's an absurd difference.

You don't think Troy was "one dimensional" against BYU? Troy had only 19 yards rushing and only 162 yds passing against BYU. That was for the whole game! I will admit that it's difficult to ascertain just how good BYU is or isn't this year, but Troy certainly didn't help make it any easier by failing to show up.

By the way, I was pulling for Troy in this game, not BYU. I was genuinely hoping to see Troy exploit some weakness or shortcoming on BYU's part, but that didn't happen. It just turned out to be a blood bath.

You don't know much about football and how a game unfolds and changes, clearly. An being athletic and fast doesn't always correlate to a win.

Nothing I've said in this thread was inflammatory toward La Tech. I think your team will be another solid opponent for BYU.

But honestly, you're an extremely poor representation of the La Tech fan base from what I've seen. There's about three or four of you here that make no one want to pull for La Tech in any sport, ever. The rest of the La Tech fans that are actually rational, like Pilot, are way better representatives.

(09-30-2020 08:51 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 11:06 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I don't think BYU has played as talented an offensive team as Tech has. I'm not saying we are going to beat them but I think we are more athletic on the offensive side of the ball than Troy or Navy. Our passing game is for sure better.

You're really underestimating this. Troy is extremely athletic and fast on offense with a few All-SBC players on that side of the ball. Not saying La Tech isn't, I'm sure they are. I'm sure your passing game is better also from what I've seen of your QB.

But to say BYU hasn't played as talented an offense as La Tech? C'mon..

I have a feeling you guys are going to be surprised just how good this BYU team is. Troy has played many P5's over the years, and I've never seen a P5 as big and physical as this BYU team.

(09-29-2020 11:35 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  This year, I honestly believe the 2 teams BYU has played (Navy & Troy) were just too one-dimensional. And let's be honest, just not very good. The Cougars really haven't been tested yet. But I believe they are about to be.

Navy and Troy aren't very good? Navy is one dimensional of course, yet it's been successful for them against many teams, even P5's. They run their system well. BYU just physically whooped Navy at the line of scrimmage, which was the difference. And then they did the same against a Troy O-line that's averaging 6' 4" and 290 lbs.

Troy, on the other hand, is not one dimensional. Against MTSU Troy had 240 rush yards/250 pass yards. The offense likes to pass, but they really go with whatever the opposing defense is giving them. Troy had quite a few games last year where we had more rush attempts than pass attempts.

Plain and simple, BYU dominates the line of scrimmage with their size and aggressiveness, and it disrupts the entire offense.

I think most people are forgetting that Navy didn’t have any contact in practice before that game. I don’t put much of a result into that game.

(09-30-2020 03:34 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(09-30-2020 03:14 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Please don't tell us how "extremely athletic and fast" Troy is when they got DOMINATED at every single position. In addition to the 48 points BYU rang up (only because BYU refused to score again at the end of the game), BYU totaled 664 yds of total offense compared to Troy's 181 yards. That's an absurd difference.

You don't think Troy was "one dimensional" against BYU? Troy had only 19 yards rushing and only 162 yds passing against BYU. That was for the whole game! I will admit that it's difficult to ascertain just how good BYU is or isn't this year, but Troy certainly didn't help make it any easier by failing to show up.

By the way, I was pulling for Troy in this game, not BYU. I was genuinely hoping to see Troy exploit some weakness or shortcoming on BYU's part, but that didn't happen. It just turned out to be a blood bath.

You don't know much about football and how a game unfolds and changes, clearly.

Nothing I've said in this thread was inflammatory toward La Tech. I think your team will be another solid opponent for BYU.

But honestly, you're an extremely poor representation of the La Tech fan base from what I've seen. There's about three or four of you here that make no one want to pull for La Tech in any sport, ever. The rest of the La Tech fans that are actually rational, like Pilot, are way better representatives.

Well, maybe I don't think much of you either.

It's obvious that you just don't like hearing the truth. (I can't say I blame ya after that performance. ) But everything I said was factual. I cited BYU's and Troy's stats straight from the game. Troy racked up a whopping 19 yards rushing and 162 yds passing. That's a fact! Then you come on here and tell us how "extremely athletic and fast" your players are. LOL!! You shouldn't shoot the messenger. But you should be VERY ANGRY at your own team, if they are truly as fast and athletic as you say they are.

HogDawg's bark is worse than his bite. He's really a cool guy...he would buy you a hotdog at the concession stand. Yep, he would! He's just very passionate about all things Tech Dawgs. He and I have our squabbles at times, but like I said, meet him in person and he's top notch.

(Oh, hope I didn't spoil your image HD...)

I am not trying to make it out like we are world beaters about to destroy BYU this Friday. I just have plenty of optimism that we are going to compete. I feel that based on the stats that I have looked at Tech has some offensive options and a couple of games under their belts.

(09-30-2020 03:44 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Well, maybe I don't think much of you either.

It's obvious that you just don't like hearing the truth. (I can't say I blame ya after that performance. ) But everything I said was factual. I cited BYU's and Troy's stats straight from the game. Troy racked up a whopping 19 yards rushing and 162 yds passing. That's a fact! Then you come on here and tell us how "extremely athletic and fast" your players are. LOL!! You shouldn't shoot the messenger. But you should be VERY ANGRY at your own team, if they are truly as fast and athletic as you say they are.

Thank you for underlining my example even further.

(09-30-2020 03:48 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I am not trying to make it out like we are world beaters about to destroy BYU this Friday. I just have plenty of optimism that we are going to compete. I feel that based on the stats that I have looked at Tech has some offensive options and a couple of games under their belts.

This is pretty much my position as well. In this week's "Lines in the Sand" thread, I'm actually predicting a 13-point loss for our BulldogDogs vs BYU (44-31?)......but I'm certainly hoping for better.