I was wondering about this today - apparently an Atlanta Falcon rookie has tested positive for Covid but he's the first (and only) NFL player to test positive now in the first 3 weeks of games for the NFL. 1 case isn't bad really, especially compared to college football where you still see a bunch of cases.

Obviously, college football presents its own issues separate from the pros in that colleges in general have a lot of cases. And these are 19-21 year old kids compared to older adults whose salary depends on staying healthy.

But why so few NFL cases compared to MLB (or other professional sports outside of the NBA which has a bubble situation in place and isn't a fair comparison)?? I've got to think there is something going on that might help us isolate why some communities are seeing covid spikes and others aren't.

(09-27-2020 02:07 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I was wondering about this today - apparently an Atlanta Falcon rookie has tested positive for Covid but he's the first (and only) NFL player to test positive now in the first 3 weeks of games for the NFL. 1 case isn't bad really, especially compared to college football where you still see a bunch of cases.

Obviously, college football presents its own issues separate from the pros in that colleges in general have a lot of cases. And these are 19-21 year old kids compared to older adults whose salary depends on staying healthy.

But why so few NFL cases compared to MLB (or other professional sports outside of the NBA which has a bubble situation in place and isn't a fair comparison)?? I've got to think there is something going on that might help us isolate why some communities are seeing covid spikes and others aren't.

1. Money. Paid athletes are going to do whatever they need to do to get their money.

2. Students. College athletes are exposed to the student body who are doing what they normally do in college......drink and party.

Yea it’s about money, those NFL players want to get paid so they jeopardize that when they break there individual team bubbles. If say the Atlanta Falcons get it they can’t play no getting paid

Are the Miami Marlin players still getting paid? If so, this is one of the reasons I do not pay that much attention to baseball.

If anyone thinks that a school with hundreds of millions of dollars or more in the endowment can do just as good a job at testing and keeping players protected or accountable as the professional levels, they’re simply wrong.

“Kids will be kids” as the excuse for college students/athletes getting this bug more easily shows the kind of amateur hour schools are with this. Schools simply don’t have the true resources to blow even more money to stay on top of this as well as the pros, just for football, when an entire school needs to be run.

There’s a reason they’re called “professionals.”

(09-27-2020 02:07 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I was wondering about this today - apparently an Atlanta Falcon rookie has tested positive for Covid but he's the first (and only) NFL player to test positive now in the first 3 weeks of games for the NFL. 1 case isn't bad really, especially compared to college football where you still see a bunch of cases.

Obviously, college football presents its own issues separate from the pros in that colleges in general have a lot of cases. And these are 19-21 year old kids compared't to older adults whose salary depends on staying healthy.

But why so few NFL cases compared to MLB (or other professional sports outside of the NBA which has a bubble situation in place and isn't a fair comparison)?? I've got to think there is something going on that might help us isolate why some communities are seeing covid spikes and others aren't.

The NFL tests daily. The league is spending $75 million on daily testing, which is nothing for them. They test all players, coaches and NFL personnel daily. You live in a bubble of sorts. You go to work and you go home. You cannot get close to the players if you are the fans or the media. The media has to fill out Covid-19 forms before the game, answer questions and get temperature checked, before they are let in. They have to wear a mask at all times and socially distance. All media interviews are done by zoom. The fans don't get into most stadiums and they have to wear masks if they do. The NFL takes Covid-19 seriously and that is because there is $9 billion dollars at stake that the 32 teams share, most of it coming from TV.

(09-27-2020 09:33 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  If anyone thinks that a school with hundreds of millions of dollars or more in the endowment can do just as good a job at testing and keeping players protected or accountable as the professional levels, they’re simply wrong.

“Kids will be kids” as the excuse for college students/athletes getting this bug more easily shows the kind of amateur hour schools are with this. Schools simply don’t have the true resources to blow even more money to stay on top of this as well as the pros, just for football, when an entire school needs to be run.

There’s a reason they’re called “professionals.”

You can't force the athletes to not be students.

(09-27-2020 10:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 09:33 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  If anyone thinks that a school with hundreds of millions of dollars or more in the endowment can do just as good a job at testing and keeping players protected or accountable as the professional levels, they’re simply wrong.

“Kids will be kids” as the excuse for college students/athletes getting this bug more easily shows the kind of amateur hour schools are with this. Schools simply don’t have the true resources to blow even more money to stay on top of this as well as the pros, just for football, when an entire school needs to be run.

There’s a reason they’re called “professionals.”

You can't force the athletes to not be students.

What does that mean? Go to class? Hold classes remotely. Parties? Yeah, you can press down on that, actually.

I know the reasons why NFL cases are so much less than college cases (I guess I could have titled the thread a different way). But no one has piped in why NFL is so much less than MLB - who also stand to lose a ton of money if they miss substantial parts of the season. MLB has had well over 100 cases (including interestingly both the AL and NL batting title champs who both missed a few early games due to Covid positive tests). The NFL has had maybe a dozen cases.

That's the key stat to me - why so many fewer NFL cases than MLB (and especially now that cases are slightly on the rise). Maybe those numbers change in the coming weeks. Obviously, MLB players travel a bit more than NFL players but the MLB has tried to limit travel to regional locales only, whereas the NFL still is flying coast to coast for some of its games. To be honest, I expected a lot more NFL cases already.

(09-28-2020 09:03 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I know the reasons why NFL cases are so much less than college cases (I guess I could have titled the thread a different way). But no one has piped in why NFL is so much less than MLB - who also stand to lose a ton of money if they miss substantial parts of the season. MLB has had well over 100 cases (including interestingly both the AL and NL batting title champs who both missed a few early games due to Covid positive tests). The NFL has had maybe a dozen cases.

That's the key stat to me - why so many fewer NFL cases than MLB (and especially now that cases are slightly on the rise). Maybe those numbers change in the coming weeks. Obviously, MLB players travel a bit more than NFL players but the MLB has tried to limit travel to regional locales only, whereas the NFL still is flying coast to coast for some of its games. To be honest, I expected a lot more NFL cases already.

I thought I did. They take it very seriously. MLB players broke the rules, went out to a bar or casino for drinks and ended up with Covid-19. Baseball initially was not taking it as seriously. An NFL roster has 53 players and then there are another 16 players on the practice squad. Plus the coaches and personnel. There are just too many people around to be flexible with the rules. All NFL team facilities are equipped for daily symptom screening and temperature checks for everyone who enters. There is too much money at stake.

An NFL road trip is one or two nights, spent in your room or hotel. An MLB road trip is more likely (this season) to be seven days in two cities locked in your room or hotel. Road trips are tough on an MLB player this season and it is easy to see why they would want out of the room or hotel.

(09-28-2020 07:28 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 10:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 09:33 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  If anyone thinks that a school with hundreds of millions of dollars or more in the endowment can do just as good a job at testing and keeping players protected or accountable as the professional levels, they’re simply wrong.

“Kids will be kids” as the excuse for college students/athletes getting this bug more easily shows the kind of amateur hour schools are with this. Schools simply don’t have the true resources to blow even more money to stay on top of this as well as the pros, just for football, when an entire school needs to be run.

There’s a reason they’re called “professionals.”

You can't force the athletes to not be students.

What does that mean? Go to class? Hold classes remotely. Parties? Yeah, you can press down on that, actually.

How? They're not dictators.

"Kids will be kids" recognizes the reality that you can't force a large group of people to obey you 100% of the time if they don't already want to do the thing you're trying to get them to do.

In fact, a lot of the harshest crackdowns have had the opposite of their intended effect. It reminds me of this:

(09-27-2020 02:07 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I was wondering about this today - apparently an Atlanta Falcon rookie has tested positive for Covid but he's the first (and only) NFL player to test positive now in the first 3 weeks of games for the NFL. 1 case isn't bad really, especially compared to college football where you still see a bunch of cases.

Obviously, college football presents its own issues separate from the pros in that colleges in general have a lot of cases. And these are 19-21 year old kids compared to older adults whose salary depends on staying healthy.

But why so few NFL cases compared to MLB (or other professional sports outside of the NBA which has a bubble situation in place and isn't a fair comparison)?? I've got to think there is something going on that might help us isolate why some communities are seeing covid spikes and others aren't.

They got all of that out of the way early on and isolated players who tested positive.
Positive tests, retest negative and reinstated to practice play.

Atlanta Falcons
Jamal Carter, DB — July 29 — Activated August 18
Chris Cooper, DB — August 9 — Activated August 11
Tyler Davison, DT — July 31 — Activated August 5
Danny Etling, QB — July 31 — Activated August 5
Jaylinn Hawkins, DB — July 28 — Activated August 5
Steven Means, DE — August 29
Foyesade Oluokun, LB — August 2 — Activated August 5
Keith Smith, RB — July 29 — Activated August 15

Baltimore Ravens
Nigel Warrior, DB — July 26 — Activated August 5

Buffalo Bills
Isiah Brown, DB — July 27 — Activated August 5
Dane Jackson, DB — July 30 — Activated August 6
Siran Neal, DB — July 30 — Activated August 5
Vincent Taylor, DT — July 29 — Activated August 4
Duke Williams, WR — July 29 — Activated August 9

Carolina Panthers
Chris Reed, OG — September 1
Derrek Thomas, DB — August 30

Chicago Bears
John Jenkins, DE — July 30 — Activated August 3
Artavis Pierce, RB — July 27 — Activated August 3
Eric Saubert, TE — July 29 — Activated August 3

Cincinnati Bengals
Kendall Futrell, DE — July 26 — Activated August 6
John Ross, WR — August 12 — Activated August 23

Cleveland Browns
Ja’Marcus Bradley, WR — August 4 — Activated August 7
Garrett Gilbert, QB — August 3 — Activated August 5
Jamie Gillan, P — July 30 — Activated August 3
Dontrell Hilliard, RB — July 26 — Activated August 4
Jovante Moffatt, DB — July 26 — Activated August 4

Dallas Cowboys
Jon’Vea Johnson, WR — July 26 — Activated August 9
Saivion Smith, DB — August 1 — Activated August 9

Denver Broncos
Andrew Beck, TE — July 30 — Activated August 17

Detroit Lions
Justin Coleman, DB — July 30 — Activated August 4
Jalen Elliott, DB — July 29 — Activated August 14
Kenny Golladay, WR — July 29 — Activated August 5
T.J. Hockenson, TE — July 29 — Activated August 8
Isaac Nauta, TE — July 30 — Activated August 3
Amani Oruwariye, DB — July 29 — Activated August 8
Matthew Stafford, QB — August 1 — Activated August 4
Arryn Suposs, P — July 29 — Activated August 8

Green Bay Packers
Hunter Bradley — August 3 — Activated August 19
Mason Crosby, K — July 30 — Activated August 15
Treyvon Hester, DT — July 30 — Activated August 17
Greg Roberts, LB — July 28 — Activated August 19
Jace Sternberger, TE — July 30 — Activated August 17

Indianapolis Colts
Malik Henry, WR — July 27 — Activated August 12
Jackson Porter, DB — July 27 — Activated August 11

Jacksonville Jaguars
Ryquell Armstead, RB — August 2 — Activated August 20
Luq Barcoo, CB — July 27 — Activated July 31
DaVon Hamilton, CB — July 27 — Activated August 2
Charles Jones, TE — July 30 — Activated August 7
Gardner Minshew II, QB — August 2 — Activated August 4
Parry Nickerson, DB — July 30 — Activated August 5
Ryan Pope, OT — July 28 — Activated August 31
Josiah Scott, CB — July 27 — activated July 30
Jawaan Taylor, OT — July 28 — Activated August 2
Tre’Vour Wallace-Simms, OL — July 27 — Activated August 20
Michael Walker, WR — August 2 — Activated August 7
Andrew Wingard, S — August 2 — Activated August 4

Kansas City Chiefs
Aleva Hifo, WR — July 26 — Activated July 31

Las Vegas Raiders
Devontae Booker, RB — July 30 — Activated August 4
Maxx Crosby, DE — August 6 — Activated August 15
Rod Smith, RB — August 6 — Activated August 18

Los Angeles Rams
Michael Hoecht, DT — July 31 — Activated August 2
Terrell Lewis, LB — July 31 — Activated August 14

Miami Dolphins
Jerome Baker, LB — July 31 — Activated August 3
Brandin Bryant, DT — August 15 — Activated August 16
Raekwon Davis, DT — August 6 — Activated August 8
Sam Eguavoen, LB — August 19 — Activated August 20
Blake Ferguson, LS — July 27 — Activated August 2
Ereck Flowers, OG — August 2 — Activated August 15
Davon Godchaux, DT — August 5 — Activated August 7
Xavien Howard, DB — August 11 — Activated August 27
Benito Jones, DT — July 27 — Activated August 8
Brandon Jones, DB — August 6 — Activated August 7
Solomon Kindley, OG — August 6 — Activated August 8
Shaq Lawson, DE — August 6 — Activated August 7
Kirk Merritt, WR — August 6 — Activated August 8
Malcolm Perry, RB — August 3 — Activated August 6
Zach Sieler, DT — July 31 — Activated August 6
Cordrea Tankersley, CB — July 27 — Activated August 4

Minnesota Vikings
Anthony Barr, LB — July 30 — Activated August 3
Blake Brandel, OL — July 27 — Activated July 31
Brian Cole II, S — July 27 — Activated August 4
Tyler Higby, OL — July 27 — Activated August 9
Justin Jefferson, WR — July 27 — Activated August 4
Ifeadi Odenigbo, DE — July 29 — Activated August 3
Cameron Smith, LB — July 29 — Activated August 10
Olisaemeka Udoh, OT — July 29 — Activated August 13
Armon Watts, DT — August 4 — Activated August 6

New Orleans Saints
Kaden Elliss, LB — August 6 — Activated August 7
Deonte Harris, WR — August 14 — Activated August 16
Dwayne Washington, RB — August 30
Zach Wood, LS — August 6 — Activated August 9

New York Giants
David Sills, WR — July 28 — Activated August 4
Josiah Tauaefa, LB — August 4 — Activated August 5

New York Jets
James Burgess, LB — August 5 — Activated August 13
Shyheim Carter, DB — July 28 — Activated August 15
Ahmad Gooden, LB — July 29 — Activated August 15
Bryce Hall, DB — July 28 — Activated August 27

Philadelphia Eagles
Nathan Gerry, LB — July 29 — Activated August 9
Lane Johnson, OL — July 29 — Activated August 11
Jordan Mailata, OT — July 29 — Activated August 13

Pittsburgh Steelers
Justin Layne, DB — July 29 — Activated August 11
Jaylen Samuels, RB — August 2 — Activated August 13
Arrion Springs, DB — July 27 — Activated August 3
James Washington, WR — August 2 — Activated August 7

San Francisco 49ers
Richie James, WR — July 27 — Activated August 4
Fred Warner, LB — August 31
Jeffery Wilson, RB — July 30 — Activated August 4

Seattle Seahawks
John Ursua, WR — August 9 — Activated August 12

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Raymond Calais, RB — July 31 — Activated August 6
Ke’Shawn Vaughn, RB — July 27 — Activated August 6 — Activated August 9
Aca-Cedric Ware, RB — July 31 — Activated August 6

Tennessee Titans
Jack Crawford, DL — August 7 — Activated August 20
Josh Smith, LB — August 10 — Activated August 22
Isaiah Wilson, OL — July 28 — Activated August 3

Washington
Logan Thomas, TE — July 29 — Activated August 9
https://dknation.draftkings.com/nfl/2020...-full-list

(09-28-2020 10:38 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  How? They're not dictators.

Don’t necessarily disagree, but, this is where you might want to look at that scholarship and say to a kid, “do you want to keep that?” And while that sounds harsh, I suspect the bar is very low at these schools already. It’s the football program and maybe some of the greater athletic department trying to manage these programs, not the university as a whole. Already not resourced to test at the frequency pros do, I get the impression there is far more slack there given.

Well, OP, you just got your first outbreak as the Titans have three players and five staff testing positive. Their facility has been shut down until Saturday as is the Vikings facility.