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Democrats' mail voting pivot
Quote:Democrats spent the early months of the coronavirus pandemic urging their base to vote absentee. But as threats of U.S. Postal Service delays, Team Trump litigation and higher ballot rejection rates become clearer, many are pivoting to promote more in-person voting as well.

Why it matters: Democrats are exponentially more likely to vote by mail than Republicans this year — and if enough mail-in ballots are lost, rejected on a technicality or undercounted, it could change the outcome of the presidential election or other key races.

Driving the news: In Colorado, former Gov. John Hickenlooper, who's running against Sen. Cory Gardner, told Axios that he's encouraging voters to physically take their mail-in ballots to a dropbox and to do so "early, really early."

Paulette Jordan, a Democratic candidate for Senate in Idaho, told Axios that she's encouraging voters to take their filled out mail ballots in person to the county courthouse.
Black PAC has moved from exclusively educating voters on voting by mail to informing about all available options: in-person, absentee, early voting and voting on Election Day.
The Collective PAC — the largest Black-led political action committee targeting Black voters and candidates — is pivoting, too. "We’re shifting away from making plans to vote by mail to voting early in person," Quentin James, the group's founder, told Axios.
The pivot is reflected by Barack and Michelle Obama, both of whom have been encouraging Democrats not just to vote by mail, but to vote early any way they can, including in person.
Biden campaign officials say they've always encouraged people to vote however they are most comfortable, and that they've never exclusively stressed one method over another.

“For us it’s always been about how we can get people to vote early no matter what, and that’s our number one priority,” said Jenn Ridder, national states director for the Biden campaign.
"Folks who like to vote in person can still do that early too, by filling out your ballot and physically bringing it to the polling location."
But there are signs of potential trouble given the volume of absentee voting that's expected this year:

A fresh Pennsylvania state Supreme Court ruling could impact tens of thousands of ballots in that swing state.
In Florida, voters are twice as likely to have their absentee ballot rejected if they've never voted that way before, University of Florida political science professor Dan Smith told Axios.
In North Carolina, "Black voters’ ballots are being rejected at more than four times the rate of white voters," per FiveThirtyEight. Overall, data shows new, younger, Black and Hispanic voters are more likely to have their ballots rejected.
More than 550k mail-in ballots were rejected during the presidential primaries this year, per an NPR analysis.
Meanwhile, masks, gloves, sanitizer and bleach wipes are more widely available than in the initial months of the pandemic.

Elections officials have had longer to prepare for crowd management than during the primaries. And Americans without underlying health issues and pre-existing
conditions have become more accustomed to social distancing and taking measured risks as they navigate public spaces such as grocery stores.
Flashback: The messaging pivot had begun by the start of the Democratic National Convention.

Michelle Obama told voters, "We've got to vote early, in person if we can," even if it means wearing masks and "comfortable shoes" and packing "a brown bag dinner and maybe breakfast too."
"If you can, vote early, in person or by mail," Barack Obama said in an Instagram post this month.
Last week, Joe Biden and his wife, Dr. Jill Biden, voted in person one day before Delaware's primary.
On the first day of early in-person voting in Virginia, long lines formed quickly with voters waiting two hours or more to cast a ballot.
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In other words, democrats arent seeing the absentee ballot request totals they were hoping for.
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(09-25-2020 01:48 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  In other words, democrats arent seeing the absentee ballot request totals they were hoping for.

I can tell ya this.....sec 8 vehicles are mobile again.....and they like that...

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one out of sevn registered voters in NC has requested a mail in ballot. I have SERIOUS doubts about the legitimacy of this.
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(09-25-2020 02:02 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  one out of sevn registered voters in NC has requested a mail in ballot. I have SERIOUS doubts about the legitimacy of this.

that's insanity...
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(09-25-2020 02:02 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  one out of sevn registered voters in NC has requested a mail in ballot. I have SERIOUS doubts about the legitimacy of this.

Why?

What would be the benefit of lying about how many people requested an application?

Quote:RALEIGH (AP) — Mail balloting in the presidential election began Friday as North Carolina started sending out more than 600,000 ballots to voters — responding to a massive spike in requests that has played out across the country as voters look for a safer way to cast ballots during the pandemic.

The 643,000 ballots requested in the initial wave in North Carolina were more than 16 times the number the state sent out at the same time four years ago. The requests came overwhelmingly from Democratic and independent voters, a reflection of a new partisan divide over mail voting.
https://apnews.com/article/3c98948c51cfd...77f87ebb24

There's 7,134,786 registered voters in NC.
https://vt.ncsbe.gov/RegStat/Results/?da...F19%2F2020

That's 9% of the electorate right off the bat. And that was only the initial mail out of them.
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Here's the problem.

If 4 in 10 mail-in ballots have a problem out of those received before election day, then statistically 4 in 10 should have a problem out of those received after election day.

This is a real problem for post-election ballot creation.

The fewer real mail-in ballots there are, the more normal the fraudulent ballots will look.
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Well, it's hard to vote by mail when your base is firebombing post offices.
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(09-25-2020 02:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-25-2020 02:02 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  one out of sevn registered voters in NC has requested a mail in ballot. I have SERIOUS doubts about the legitimacy of this.

Why?

What would be the benefit of lying about how many people requested an application?

Quote:RALEIGH (AP) — Mail balloting in the presidential election began Friday as North Carolina started sending out more than 600,000 ballots to voters — responding to a massive spike in requests that has played out across the country as voters look for a safer way to cast ballots during the pandemic.

The 643,000 ballots requested in the initial wave in North Carolina were more than 16 times the number the state sent out at the same time four years ago. The requests came overwhelmingly from Democratic and independent voters, a reflection of a new partisan divide over mail voting.
https://apnews.com/article/3c98948c51cfd...77f87ebb24

There's 7,134,786 registered voters in NC.
https://vt.ncsbe.gov/RegStat/Results/?da...F19%2F2020

That's 9% of the electorate right off the bat. And that was only the initial mail out of them.

69% of registered voters voted in 2016. That was 4,739,292 votes. Assuming the same turnout and the total number or registered voters now we should end up just under 5 million voters this election at 4,925,818. Over a million mail in ballots have been requested to date. No way NC legitimately casts 20% of it's votes by mail.
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(09-25-2020 01:48 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  In other words, democrats arent seeing the absentee ballot request totals they were hoping for.

Yup.

Wait til they start screaming to STOP with the cheat by mail scheme and demand Polls be open for 3 days instead.
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(09-25-2020 02:42 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Well, it's hard to vote by mail when your base is firebombing post offices.

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(09-25-2020 02:51 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(09-25-2020 02:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-25-2020 02:02 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  one out of sevn registered voters in NC has requested a mail in ballot. I have SERIOUS doubts about the legitimacy of this.

Why?

What would be the benefit of lying about how many people requested an application?

Quote:RALEIGH (AP) — Mail balloting in the presidential election began Friday as North Carolina started sending out more than 600,000 ballots to voters — responding to a massive spike in requests that has played out across the country as voters look for a safer way to cast ballots during the pandemic.

The 643,000 ballots requested in the initial wave in North Carolina were more than 16 times the number the state sent out at the same time four years ago. The requests came overwhelmingly from Democratic and independent voters, a reflection of a new partisan divide over mail voting.
https://apnews.com/article/3c98948c51cfd...77f87ebb24

There's 7,134,786 registered voters in NC.
https://vt.ncsbe.gov/RegStat/Results/?da...F19%2F2020

That's 9% of the electorate right off the bat. And that was only the initial mail out of them.

69% of registered voters voted in 2016. That was 4,739,292 votes. Assuming the same turnout and the total number or registered voters now we should end up just under 5 million voters this election at 4,925,818. Over a million mail in ballots have been requested to date. No way NC legitimately casts 20% of it's votes by mail.

So because volume, they're not legitimate? When pretty much every state is reporting large increases in mail-in voting this year mostly due to virus concerns. Can't argue with that "logic" I guess. 01-wingedeagle
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(09-25-2020 02:28 PM)Claw Wrote:  Here's the problem.

If 4 in 10 mail-in ballots have a problem out of those received before election day, then statistically 4 in 10 should have a problem out of those received after election day.

This is a real problem for post-election ballot creation.

The fewer real mail-in ballots there are, the more normal the fraudulent ballots will look.

Apologies if I missed it in the OP, but where did you get this data from?
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