(09-25-2020 11:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Nowhere did I ever say these things can't happen. 
Actually you did. You suggested that people wouldn't risk jail time and that it could only happen if done broadly, which would mostly impact Democrats. That's what you said. This demonstrates that neither of those claims are true.
Quote:And more information is coming out about PA. Reports now say that the problem is with a missing secrecy envelope that Republicans sued to enforce...so actually these should have been thrown out and not counted. Nice!
That's not true. Two are still in their envelopes. It wasn't clear if the others were ever in secrecy envelopes, but two CERTAINLY were. Hint... that's why we don't know who they voted for, because they're in their secrecy envelopes. This is like the third story you've told on the situation Tom. Why don't you just quit spinning and admit that it demonstrates the risks of paper, mail-in ballots. Just too much touching and too much paper. I'm not saying this IS an issue. I'm saying it DEMONSTRATES the issue. If you don't want to count them that's fine. Whatever the rules are, the rules are... We're talking about the ability and risk of people mis-handling paper.... whether intentional or not.
Quote:And sorry, but I have no idea what size envelopes in Pennsylvania that the absentee request is returned in compared to the return of the actual ballot...and I guess you probably don't either.
A little disingenuous, don't you think? I certainly know the difference between an envelope with a one page voter registration vs a multi-page ballot in an envelope, especially if it is an envelope within an envelope. It's called thickness. I also can look at the post-mark date... since those are required on mailed-in ballots.
Quote:But I love how you keep going to this...well anyone can be biased and therefore cheat...although history tells us that fraud, especially with mail-in ballots is rare. All the while we're not even talking about the issues with the other in-person voting methods like marking paper ballots, touch screen voting, and ballot counting machines. They're subject to just as much fraud, hacking, and counting issues, if not more.
This is just total BS.
Once again, 'history' can't catch what it isn't designed to look for. This 'catch' is a perfect example. First, whether or not this WAS an attempt to disenfranchise voters by 'some random dude', we don't randomly check trash cans. IF IT HAD been an attempt to cheat, how would we have caught it? We simply got 'lucky'. YOU YOURSELF suggested earlier based on your understanding that this was a potential problem that they hadn't yet addressed, and you said... but they have a month to fix it... IGNORING that they clearly haven't fixed it for many years. Now you're saying that 'mail-in' is safer?
That's just ridiculous.
Voting systems... the things that register and count and report your votes have experienced mistakes/electronic glitches, but they have NEVER been hacked. There is almost no reason for them to EVER have two-way communication with a server OR to be connected to an open network such that an attack could occur.
I find it laughable that you speak of how rare in-person voter fraud is, and then you hang your hat on something that has NEVER happened.
And no, hacking voter databases... which IS an issue and IS available in many places on the internet, especially so that people can know if they are registered... is not the same as accessing votes. This is where conspiracy theorists always go.
You're trying to make fun of 'conspiracy theories' that are founded in actual events, while engaging in conspiracy theories of your own founded on pure hypotheticals about what is even remotely possible.
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Democrats will be ALLOWED to fix NC Mail-in Ballots
