(09-23-2020 05:40 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:32 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:23 PM)brock20 Wrote:  Why would he not be good to go? The chances of complications from
Covid are extremely rare.

What planet do you live on? That is a lie. Is a 60% rate of myocardial inflammation extremely rare? One of but many international studies High Rate of Cardiac Complications from COVID 19

I have students that are COVID positive that would beg to differ with you.

You mean that study that the Big Ten used months ago that was then shown to be extremely flawed?
https://mobile.twitter.com/venkmurthy/st...frame.html

I don’t blame any kid for opting out this year. Playing in a bubble with no fans is an absolute joke. Basically Rec league.

And an athletic conference leadership are experts in science in what universe? Here is yet another, but apparently some folks are strangers to facts and data. https://www.bannerhealth.com/healthcareb...your-lungs

(09-23-2020 05:42 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:40 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:32 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:23 PM)brock20 Wrote:  Why would he not be good to go? The chances of complications from
Covid are extremely rare.

What planet do you live on? That is a lie. Is a 60% rate of myocardial inflammation extremely rare? One of but many international studies High Rate of Cardiac Complications from COVID 19

I have students that are COVID positive that would beg to differ with you.

You mean that study that the Big Ten used months ago that was then shown to be extremely flawed?
https://mobile.twitter.com/venkmurthy/st...frame.html

I don’t blame any kid for opting out this year. Playing in a bubble with no fans is an absolute joke. Basically Rec league.

And an athletic conference leadership are experts in science in what universe? Here is yet another, but apparently some folks are strangers to facts and data. https://www.bannerhealth.com/healthcareb...your-lungs

Umm you didnt read the link i sent. The big ten leadership cited the flawed study when they initially decided to cancel the season. A UM doctor that had nothing to do with football explained how that study was extremely flawed.

There are complications from all types of viruses out there. If you throw enough money at researchers they can find anything you want them to.

My best guess is that Pat looked at having to spend the next 4-6 months cut off from his new family to be playing bball in front of (at best) a thousand or so fans and decided that it wasnt worth it (dont blame him). Instead of just "retiring" he is using the opt out clause to evaluate his options next year. He could just stay retired or see if there is something that makes sense for him either at ETSU or somewhere else. Smart move.

(09-23-2020 05:56 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:42 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:40 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:32 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:23 PM)brock20 Wrote:  Why would he not be good to go? The chances of complications from
Covid are extremely rare.

What planet do you live on? That is a lie. Is a 60% rate of myocardial inflammation extremely rare? One of but many international studies High Rate of Cardiac Complications from COVID 19

I have students that are COVID positive that would beg to differ with you.

You mean that study that the Big Ten used months ago that was then shown to be extremely flawed?
https://mobile.twitter.com/venkmurthy/st...frame.html

I don’t blame any kid for opting out this year. Playing in a bubble with no fans is an absolute joke. Basically Rec league.

And an athletic conference leadership are experts in science in what universe? Here is yet another, but apparently some folks are strangers to facts and data. https://www.bannerhealth.com/healthcareb...your-lungs

Umm you didnt read the link i sent. The big ten leadership cited the flawed study when they initially decided to cancel the season. A UM doctor that had nothing to do with football explained how that study was extremely flawed.

There are complications from all types of viruses out there. If you throw enough money at researchers they can find anything you want them to.

Oh I did read that and had seen it before. One person’s opinion over the peer reviewers.

(09-23-2020 05:56 PM)brock20 Wrote:  Umm you didnt read the link i sent. The big ten leadership cited the flawed study when they initially decided to cancel the season. A UM doctor that had nothing to do with football explained how that study was extremely flawed.

There are complications from all types of viruses out there. If you throw enough money at researchers they can find anything you want them to.

Hmmm

(09-23-2020 06:21 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:56 PM)brock20 Wrote:  Umm you didnt read the link i sent. The big ten leadership cited the flawed study when they initially decided to cancel the season. A UM doctor that had nothing to do with football explained how that study was extremely flawed.

There are complications from all types of viruses out there. If you throw enough money at researchers they can find anything you want them to.

Hmmm

Also people can have other motivation and reasons, doesn't have to be about money.

(09-23-2020 06:04 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:56 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:42 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:40 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:32 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  What planet do you live on? That is a lie. Is a 60% rate of myocardial inflammation extremely rare? One of but many international studies High Rate of Cardiac Complications from COVID 19

I have students that are COVID positive that would beg to differ with you.

You mean that study that the Big Ten used months ago that was then shown to be extremely flawed?
https://mobile.twitter.com/venkmurthy/st...frame.html

I don’t blame any kid for opting out this year. Playing in a bubble with no fans is an absolute joke. Basically Rec league.

And an athletic conference leadership are experts in science in what universe? Here is yet another, but apparently some folks are strangers to facts and data. https://www.bannerhealth.com/healthcareb...your-lungs

Umm you didnt read the link i sent. The big ten leadership cited the flawed study when they initially decided to cancel the season. A UM doctor that had nothing to do with football explained how that study was extremely flawed.

There are complications from all types of viruses out there. If you throw enough money at researchers they can find anything you want them to.

Oh I did read that and had seen it before. One person’s opinion over the peer reviewers.

No it just wasn’t his opinion it was that the whole study the Big 10 used was misconstrued and the people from Penn State (the people who did the study) had to admit that actually zero athletes who had Covid had any complications.

But to go back to that first article you posted. The 100 people used for the study had symptoms serious enough to have to go to the hospital. This wasn’t just random people who had mild symptoms or no symptoms from the virus. The study shows that of the small percentage of people who get sick enough to have to go to the hospital, 60% showed some lingering complications later. It’s not 60% of the people who had the virus.

Misleading

(09-23-2020 06:24 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 06:21 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:56 PM)brock20 Wrote:  Umm you didnt read the link i sent. The big ten leadership cited the flawed study when they initially decided to cancel the season. A UM doctor that had nothing to do with football explained how that study was extremely flawed.

There are complications from all types of viruses out there. If you throw enough money at researchers they can find anything you want them to.

Hmmm

Also people can have other motivation and reasons, doesn't have to be about money.

Sure, political reasons as well.

(09-23-2020 06:28 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 06:04 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:56 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:42 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:40 PM)brock20 Wrote:  You mean that study that the Big Ten used months ago that was then shown to be extremely flawed?
https://mobile.twitter.com/venkmurthy/st...frame.html

I don’t blame any kid for opting out this year. Playing in a bubble with no fans is an absolute joke. Basically Rec league.

And an athletic conference leadership are experts in science in what universe? Here is yet another, but apparently some folks are strangers to facts and data. https://www.bannerhealth.com/healthcareb...your-lungs

Umm you didnt read the link i sent. The big ten leadership cited the flawed study when they initially decided to cancel the season. A UM doctor that had nothing to do with football explained how that study was extremely flawed.

There are complications from all types of viruses out there. If you throw enough money at researchers they can find anything you want them to.

Oh I did read that and had seen it before. One person’s opinion over the peer reviewers.

No it just wasn’t his opinion it was that the whole study the Big 10 used was misconstrued and the people from Penn State (the people who did the study) had to admit that actually zero athletes who had Covid had any complications.

But to go back to that first article you posted. The 100 people used for the study had symptoms serious enough to have to go to the hospital. This wasn’t just random people who had mild symptoms or no symptoms from the virus. The study shows that of the small percentage of people who get sick enough to have to go to the hospital, 60% showed some lingering complications later. It’s not 60% of the people who had the virus.

Misleading

You didn't read the study, approximately 60 of the 100 were not hospitalized.

The whole thing is so weird. Just hope Patrick is okay and has a good future

Basically, we should just live in a bubble until certain folks tell us to come out of the bubble, then remind us not to touch the bubble, since they're on the bubble about brushing up against the bubble, therefore contracting the Rona.

Basketball is very easy to let go, but will be impossible for him to get back.

(09-24-2020 03:34 AM)Efan Wrote:  Basketball is very easy to let go, but will be impossible for him to get back.

Because no one has ever taken a year off, transfer, redshirt, injury
2 year Mormon mission. No coming back from that.

Not that I think he is planning to come back at this time.
But if the desire returns that is most of that battle.

Good said as of now he is done playing but for sure wants to leave the door open to play again. A pretty telling comment was him talking with his Dad and his dad asking was the difference between playing 20 games or 27 a big deal and Pat said that he thought it was. This insinuates that Pat doesn’t want to waste his final season on one that is shortened. I don’t blame him. His decision makes perfect sense. Hope we see him back at ETSU next year.

A 19 year old kid on the Appy State basketball team just died from Covid, but I guess since it so rare that just makes it safer for all the other players?
I mean it happened once so no way it could happen twice.. But there was that 20 year old football player at Illinois State who died last month..
Hmmm

(09-30-2020 01:16 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  A 19 year old kid on the Appy State basketball team just died from Covid, but I guess since it so rare that just makes it safer for all the other players?
I mean it happened once so no way it could happen twice.. But there was that 20 year old football player at Illinois State who died last month..
Hmmm

Not a basketball player unless there's something different.

“Little did we know (the virus) was secretly attacking his body in a way they have never seen before,” she said. Doctors said it was “the rarest” of COVID-19 cases, according to the Charlotte Observer

Tonia Maxcy, a friend of the Dorrill family, said doctors suspected he had a previously undetected case of Guillain-Barré syndrome, a rare neurological disorder that can be triggered by certain viruses, the New York Times reported.





And can't find anything about an Illinois State football player. People have complications from all kinds of things and pass away. So we should do away with sports because someone might have "the rarest" complication to something?

Nah, 200k+ people (and rising) have died,but lets lift all the restrictions, do whatever you want, Survival of the fitest, if they die they die.
Sorry Grandma but But I couldn't miss the game Saturday and YOU are the one who made fried chicken for dinner later that week,
you know I couldn't pass that up. But you know you are in your 70's, you were probably going to die soon anyway.
Can I have that old cabinet in the hall... and the roll-top desk. Thanks, Love you..gotta go meeting the guys at the bar

(09-30-2020 08:58 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  Nah, 200k+ people (and rising) have died,but lets lift all the restrictions, do whatever you want, Survival of the fitest, if they die they die.
Sorry Grandma but But I couldn't miss the game Saturday and YOU are the one who made fried chicken for dinner later that week,
you know I couldn't pass that up. But you know you are in your 70's, you were probably going to die soon anyway.
Can I have that old cabinet in the hall... and the roll-top desk. Thanks, Love you..gotta go meeting the guys at the bar.

You can put pro players in a bubble but there is no way in hell you can do that with all the college athletes. just not possible.

Was an Appy State student who was a high school star, but still a 20 year old.
He had a rare condition, damn maybe it wouldn't have killed him if COVID hadn't been
introduced.
So if a man has a heart attack but falls and cracks his
head and dies, did the fall kill him or the heart attack?

This is pointless,
Just like the debate I doubt that it moved the needle a half a percent last night, everybody who watched it thought their guy won and is still going to
vote for him. Debating masks and restrictions is going to lead to name calling, fighting, and at the end of the day everybody is going to have the same
beliefs, just develop bad feelings about others on this board.

most people on here don't like me anyway so I got zero to lose and don't care if nobody likes me but there are some "friendships"
that this is breaking. We all care about ETSU but are different in a hundred different ways about everything else. stay on topic.
My bad for veering off.