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Just for fun: ACC's 16th member
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RE: Just for fun: ACC's 16th member
(10-25-2020 01:42 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Texas wants to both be master of their conference and keep their cash to themselves.

They can’t bully the ACC around the way they can the Big 12 and while a lot of the football poet would be sucked out of the Big 12 if they lost Oklahoma, they are still a very respectable conference in basketball.

If Oklahoma decides to leave but Texas is not interested in giving in to another P5, Texas football will go independent, while everything else stays in the Big 12.

This model will work because the Longhorns should easily be able to sell T1 and T2 rights to someone, likely the Mouse, and get top dollar.

Big name schools from the P4 will still line up to play the Horns. Why lock yourself into a deal that means playing football games at BC, Cuse, WF, and Duke when you can go straight to the schools you want to play—Florida St, Miami, Clemson, and VT and sign. A series of Home and Homes?

Your Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Nebraska, USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington types are also going to be willing to supply 2 game series and probably even some of the big name SEC schools too.

Mid tier P4s and the better instate schools wouldn’t hesitate to do 2 for 1s with a name like Texas.

Assuming Oklahoma leaves and Texas goes independent in football but everyone else stays, I’d be interested in who gets added. If they went back to 12, I’d add: Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, and Central Florida. The AAC would backfill with Southern Miss, UAB, Marshall, Appalachian St, and maybe Rice.
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RE: Just for fun: ACC's 16th member
(10-25-2020 01:59 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 01:42 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Texas wants to both be master of their conference and keep their cash to themselves.

They can’t bully the ACC around the way they can the Big 12 and while a lot of the football poet would be sucked out of the Big 12 if they lost Oklahoma, they are still a very respectable conference in basketball.

If Oklahoma decides to leave but Texas is not interested in giving in to another P5, Texas football will go independent, while everything else stays in the Big 12.

This model will work because the Longhorns should easily be able to sell T1 and T2 rights to someone, likely the Mouse, and get top dollar.

Big name schools from the P4 will still line up to play the Horns. Why lock yourself into a deal that means playing football games at BC, Cuse, WF, and Duke when you can go straight to the schools you want to play—Florida St, Miami, Clemson, and VT and sign. A series of Home and Homes?

Your Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Nebraska, USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington types are also going to be willing to supply 2 game series and probably even some of the big name SEC schools too.

Mid tier P4s and the better instate schools wouldn’t hesitate to do 2 for 1s with a name like Texas.

Assuming Oklahoma leaves and Texas goes independent in football but everyone else stays, I’d be interested in who gets added. If they went back to 12, I’d add: Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, and Central Florida. The AAC would backfill with Southern Miss, UAB, Marshall, Appalachian St, and maybe Rice.

Oklahoma's not going solo. They'll take either Kansas (Big Ten) or OSU (SEC) with them. So the Big 12 will likely need 3 replacements, which I expect would be Cincinnati, UCF, and USF. The AAC picks up FAU and FIU from CUSA, which, though chagrined, stands pat at 12, with UAB moving to the East.
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RE: Just for fun: ACC's 16th member
(10-25-2020 01:42 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Texas wants to both be master of their conference and keep their cash to themselves.

They can’t bully the ACC around the way they can the Big 12 and while a lot of the football poet would be sucked out of the Big 12 if they lost Oklahoma, they are still a very respectable conference in basketball.

If Oklahoma decides to leave but Texas is not interested in giving in to another P5, Texas football will go independent, while everything else stays in the Big 12.

This model will work because the Longhorns should easily be able to sell T1 and T2 rights to someone, likely the Mouse, and get top dollar.

Big name schools from the P4 will still line up to play the Horns. Why lock yourself into a deal that means playing football games at BC, Cuse, WF, and Duke when you can go straight to the schools you want to play—Florida St, Miami, Clemson, and VT and sign. A series of Home and Homes?

Your Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Nebraska, USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington types are also going to be willing to supply 2 game series and probably even some of the big name SEC schools too.

Mid tier P4s and the better instate schools wouldn’t hesitate to do 2 for 1s with a name like Texas.

The Big 12 is not going to be considered a P5 conference if Oklahoma leaves. Texas will not leave all of their non-football sports in a non-P5 conference while at the same time committing to play 5 football games a year against G5 teams.
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RE: Just for fun: ACC's 16th member
(10-25-2020 02:38 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 01:42 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Texas wants to both be master of their conference and keep their cash to themselves.

They can’t bully the ACC around the way they can the Big 12 and while a lot of the football poet would be sucked out of the Big 12 if they lost Oklahoma, they are still a very respectable conference in basketball.

If Oklahoma decides to leave but Texas is not interested in giving in to another P5, Texas football will go independent, while everything else stays in the Big 12.

This model will work because the Longhorns should easily be able to sell T1 and T2 rights to someone, likely the Mouse, and get top dollar.

Big name schools from the P4 will still line up to play the Horns. Why lock yourself into a deal that means playing football games at BC, Cuse, WF, and Duke when you can go straight to the schools you want to play—Florida St, Miami, Clemson, and VT and sign. A series of Home and Homes?

Your Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Nebraska, USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington types are also going to be willing to supply 2 game series and probably even some of the big name SEC schools too.

Mid tier P4s and the better instate schools wouldn’t hesitate to do 2 for 1s with a name like Texas.

The Big 12 is not going to be considered a P5 conference if Oklahoma leaves. Texas will not leave all of their non-football sports in a non-P5 conference while at the same time committing to play 5 football games a year against G5 teams.

In the likelier of the two "OU leaving" scenarios (i.e., to the SEC), OSU tags along, UT goes independent in FB while keeping its other sports in the Big 12, and 3 new members (Cincinnati, UCF, and one of USF, Memphis, Houston, or FB-only Boise/BYU) are added. The Big 12 will still have some decent tweener-level FB strength and will still be a P6 basketball conference like the Big East. I don't know if UT would commit to 5 FB games a year against the Big 12, but the conference will still have 3-4 other Texas schools that UT will still want to play.
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RE: Just for fun: ACC's 16th member
(10-25-2020 03:57 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 02:38 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 01:42 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Texas wants to both be master of their conference and keep their cash to themselves.

They can’t bully the ACC around the way they can the Big 12 and while a lot of the football poet would be sucked out of the Big 12 if they lost Oklahoma, they are still a very respectable conference in basketball.

If Oklahoma decides to leave but Texas is not interested in giving in to another P5, Texas football will go independent, while everything else stays in the Big 12.

This model will work because the Longhorns should easily be able to sell T1 and T2 rights to someone, likely the Mouse, and get top dollar.

Big name schools from the P4 will still line up to play the Horns. Why lock yourself into a deal that means playing football games at BC, Cuse, WF, and Duke when you can go straight to the schools you want to play—Florida St, Miami, Clemson, and VT and sign. A series of Home and Homes?

Your Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Nebraska, USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington types are also going to be willing to supply 2 game series and probably even some of the big name SEC schools too.

Mid tier P4s and the better instate schools wouldn’t hesitate to do 2 for 1s with a name like Texas.

The Big 12 is not going to be considered a P5 conference if Oklahoma leaves. Texas will not leave all of their non-football sports in a non-P5 conference while at the same time committing to play 5 football games a year against G5 teams.

In the likelier of the two "OU leaving" scenarios (i.e., to the SEC), OSU tags along, UT goes independent in FB while keeping its other sports in the Big 12, and 3 new members (Cincinnati, UCF, and one of USF, Memphis, Houston, or FB-only Boise/BYU) are added. The Big 12 will still have some decent tweener-level FB strength and will still be a P6 basketball conference like the Big East. I don't know if UT would commit to 5 FB games a year against the Big 12, but the conference will still have 3-4 other Texas schools that UT will still want to play.

You seem to be missing the point.
Texas is not going to put their basketball, baseball, women's athletics, and Olympic sports programs in a G level conference.
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RE: Just for fun: ACC's 16th member
(10-25-2020 04:09 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 03:57 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 02:38 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 01:42 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Texas wants to both be master of their conference and keep their cash to themselves.

They can’t bully the ACC around the way they can the Big 12 and while a lot of the football poet would be sucked out of the Big 12 if they lost Oklahoma, they are still a very respectable conference in basketball.

If Oklahoma decides to leave but Texas is not interested in giving in to another P5, Texas football will go independent, while everything else stays in the Big 12.

This model will work because the Longhorns should easily be able to sell T1 and T2 rights to someone, likely the Mouse, and get top dollar.

Big name schools from the P4 will still line up to play the Horns. Why lock yourself into a deal that means playing football games at BC, Cuse, WF, and Duke when you can go straight to the schools you want to play—Florida St, Miami, Clemson, and VT and sign. A series of Home and Homes?

Your Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Nebraska, USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington types are also going to be willing to supply 2 game series and probably even some of the big name SEC schools too.

Mid tier P4s and the better instate schools wouldn’t hesitate to do 2 for 1s with a name like Texas.

The Big 12 is not going to be considered a P5 conference if Oklahoma leaves. Texas will not leave all of their non-football sports in a non-P5 conference while at the same time committing to play 5 football games a year against G5 teams.

In the likelier of the two "OU leaving" scenarios (i.e., to the SEC), OSU tags along, UT goes independent in FB while keeping its other sports in the Big 12, and 3 new members (Cincinnati, UCF, and one of USF, Memphis, Houston, or FB-only Boise/BYU) are added. The Big 12 will still have some decent tweener-level FB strength and will still be a P6 basketball conference like the Big East. I don't know if UT would commit to 5 FB games a year against the Big 12, but the conference will still have 3-4 other Texas schools that UT will still want to play.

You seem to be missing the point.
Texas is not going to put their basketball, baseball, women's athletics, and Olympic sports programs in a G level conference.

You seem to be missing the point. The point is that while a Big 12 without OU and UT FB is certainly diminished, it is a unique tweener conference, meaning somewhere between P and G. It also contains the most powerful other Texas sports schools aside from A&M, so UT still has a vested interest in keeping its non-FB sports in place and retaining a close connection in FB. Not to mention that going to somewhere like the SEC means that UT would have to share more of their power (to A&M as well as OU, LSU, Alabama, etc.), which seems undesirable to UT. FB independence would work for UT quite well.
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RE: Just for fun: ACC's 16th member
(10-25-2020 04:22 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 04:09 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 03:57 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 02:38 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 01:42 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Texas wants to both be master of their conference and keep their cash to themselves.

They can’t bully the ACC around the way they can the Big 12 and while a lot of the football poet would be sucked out of the Big 12 if they lost Oklahoma, they are still a very respectable conference in basketball.

If Oklahoma decides to leave but Texas is not interested in giving in to another P5, Texas football will go independent, while everything else stays in the Big 12.

This model will work because the Longhorns should easily be able to sell T1 and T2 rights to someone, likely the Mouse, and get top dollar.

Big name schools from the P4 will still line up to play the Horns. Why lock yourself into a deal that means playing football games at BC, Cuse, WF, and Duke when you can go straight to the schools you want to play—Florida St, Miami, Clemson, and VT and sign. A series of Home and Homes?

Your Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Nebraska, USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington types are also going to be willing to supply 2 game series and probably even some of the big name SEC schools too.

Mid tier P4s and the better instate schools wouldn’t hesitate to do 2 for 1s with a name like Texas.

The Big 12 is not going to be considered a P5 conference if Oklahoma leaves. Texas will not leave all of their non-football sports in a non-P5 conference while at the same time committing to play 5 football games a year against G5 teams.

In the likelier of the two "OU leaving" scenarios (i.e., to the SEC), OSU tags along, UT goes independent in FB while keeping its other sports in the Big 12, and 3 new members (Cincinnati, UCF, and one of USF, Memphis, Houston, or FB-only Boise/BYU) are added. The Big 12 will still have some decent tweener-level FB strength and will still be a P6 basketball conference like the Big East. I don't know if UT would commit to 5 FB games a year against the Big 12, but the conference will still have 3-4 other Texas schools that UT will still want to play.

You seem to be missing the point.
Texas is not going to put their basketball, baseball, women's athletics, and Olympic sports programs in a G level conference.

You seem to be missing the point. The point is that while a Big 12 without OU and UT FB is certainly diminished, it is a unique tweener conference, meaning somewhere between P and G. It also contains the most powerful other Texas sports schools aside from A&M, so UT still has a vested interest in keeping its non-FB sports in place and retaining a close connection in FB. Not to mention that going to somewhere like the SEC means that UT would have to share more of their power (to A&M as well as OU, LSU, Alabama, etc.), which seems undesirable to UT. FB independence would work for UT quite well.
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I don't know who the nodding fellow with the OU hat is, but I assume that means you concede my point.
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(10-25-2020 05:22 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I don't know who the nodding fellow with the OU hat is, but I assume that means you concede my point.

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Unique tweener conference....
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RE: Just for fun: ACC's 16th member
(10-25-2020 01:59 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 01:42 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Texas wants to both be master of their conference and keep their cash to themselves.

They can’t bully the ACC around the way they can the Big 12 and while a lot of the football poet would be sucked out of the Big 12 if they lost Oklahoma, they are still a very respectable conference in basketball.

If Oklahoma decides to leave but Texas is not interested in giving in to another P5, Texas football will go independent, while everything else stays in the Big 12.

This model will work because the Longhorns should easily be able to sell T1 and T2 rights to someone, likely the Mouse, and get top dollar.

Big name schools from the P4 will still line up to play the Horns. Why lock yourself into a deal that means playing football games at BC, Cuse, WF, and Duke when you can go straight to the schools you want to play—Florida St, Miami, Clemson, and VT and sign. A series of Home and Homes?

Your Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Nebraska, USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington types are also going to be willing to supply 2 game series and probably even some of the big name SEC schools too.

Mid tier P4s and the better instate schools wouldn’t hesitate to do 2 for 1s with a name like Texas.

Assuming Oklahoma leaves and Texas goes independent in football but everyone else stays, I’d be interested in who gets added. If they went back to 12, I’d add: Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, and Central Florida. The AAC would backfill with Southern Miss, UAB, Marshall, Appalachian St, and maybe Rice.

Don’t sleep on USF as a Big 12 replacement down the road. I think they are fighting Memphis for spot #4 in the event that the Big 12 loses 4 members.

Honestly though, if Oklahoma and a plus depart for another conference and Texas football goes Indy with an Olympic deal with the Big 12 the Big 12 will only bring in 2 replacements to try and prevent their payouts from getting diluted.
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(10-25-2020 06:33 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 05:22 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I don't know who the nodding fellow with the OU hat is, but I assume that means you concede my point.
Unique tweener conference....

A conference like the below, primarily composed of current P5 schools, would be considered a tweener, not like anything that presently exists, and closer to a power FB conference than the AAC is right now.

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, South Florida, West Virginia
West: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, Texas Tech
Non-FB: Texas

By the way, I am greatly amused by mockery coming from one who believes Texas to the ACC is an indisputable lock, so thank you for that.
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RE: Just for fun: ACC's 16th member
(10-25-2020 07:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 06:33 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 05:22 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I don't know who the nodding fellow with the OU hat is, but I assume that means you concede my point.
Unique tweener conference....

A conference like the below, primarily composed of current P5 schools, would be considered a tweener, not like anything that presently exists, and closer to a power FB conference than the AAC is right now.

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, South Florida, West Virginia
West: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, Texas Tech
Non-FB: Texas

By the way, I am greatly amused by mockery coming from one who believes Texas to the ACC is an indisputable lock, so thank you for that.

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