(09-23-2020 09:59 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Would he have been fired if he had called a white kid a hillbilly or a redneck?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

If we're talking about an African American coach making what could be construed as racial slurs towards white players, I would think that the same would apply. I'm no expert by any means, but I would think that would be the case.

(09-23-2020 09:59 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Would he have been fired if he had called a white kid a hillbilly or a redneck?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

This is true...sad but true. We as a nation have made this double standard acceptable.

I'm old enough to remember the 60's and 70's. I remember being a kid and watching news reports from all over the south about church bombings, murders, Selma and living in Arkansas, Central High. Although Central wasn't the first school in Arkansas to face segregationist. If you're interested, read this: https://encyclopediaofarkansas.net/entri...hools-731/

From the perspective of a child growing up in those times, yes, there was a huge groundswell and lot of changes in regards to how white people treated black people. It planted the seed to start removing racism from society. But even in my youth you had those die hard racists who were never going to budge. Many of them are dying off now. This latest movement is another step in the evolution if you ask me. It's kind of crazy I've lived in times to see this kind of upheaval twice. And I don't think this movement will end it. There's still a long way to go.

(09-23-2020 09:59 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Would he have been fired if he had called a white kid a hillbilly or a redneck?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

This is exhausting

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(09-23-2020 10:08 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 09:59 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Would he have been fired if he had called a white kid a hillbilly or a redneck?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

This is exhausting

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Yea, double standards are indeed quite exhausting.

(09-22-2020 08:34 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

Quote:Shead explained how Kaspar told players to "chase that chicken" to get them to run faster, threatened to have players deported if they messed up and prohibited players from wearing durags or earrings because it made them look like "gangsters."

So, no white person has ever chased chickens or been a gangster? I'm white and I've chased chickens a few times. Hearing a phrase like that would make practice more enjoyable. It's not uncommon for coaches to have requirements on players' appearance; my college football coach did not allow any facial hair.

Exactly, I don't how you can take a metaphor from a historically very white profession and make something racially derisive from it.

There's an obvious problem with the "if someone is offended by it, it should be banned from polite society and people should lose their jobs". The boundaries of what's acceptable are creeping outward at an alarming rate. It's to the point now that even people who do bend over backwards to try and do well with their words or people simply dissenting are getting the guillotine.

(09-23-2020 10:03 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 09:59 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Would he have been fired if he had called a white kid a hillbilly or a redneck?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

If we're talking about an African American coach making what could be construed as racial slurs towards white players, I would think that the same would apply. I'm no expert by any means, but I would think that would be the case.

Sorry to tell you, but you’re wrong. How much backlash has their been against black people publicly using the word “Karen” to disparage white women?

Everyone knows what the double standard is.

(09-23-2020 10:13 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:03 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 09:59 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Would he have been fired if he had called a white kid a hillbilly or a redneck?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

If we're talking about an African American coach making what could be construed as racial slurs towards white players, I would think that the same would apply. I'm no expert by any means, but I would think that would be the case.

Sorry to tell you, but you’re wrong. How much backlash has their been against black people publicly using the word “Karen” to disparage white women?

Everyone knows what the double standard is.

In the work place, or in general? This is a work place situation, so we can't just go around lumping everything under one umbrella.

(09-23-2020 10:17 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:13 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:03 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 09:59 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Would he have been fired if he had called a white kid a hillbilly or a redneck?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

If we're talking about an African American coach making what could be construed as racial slurs towards white players, I would think that the same would apply. I'm no expert by any means, but I would think that would be the case.

Sorry to tell you, but you’re wrong. How much backlash has their been against black people publicly using the word “Karen” to disparage white women?

Everyone knows what the double standard is.

In the work place, or in general? This is a work place situation, so we can't just go around lumping everything under one umbrella.

Both. Take your pick. How many news anchors have lost their jobs for using the word “Karen” to describe white women?

Also, not sure what reality you’re living in if you think work place and your personal life are not completely intertwined. They’re one in the same these days.

If an old picture of you in blackface from 20 years ago surfaces on social media, you will absolutely lose your job.

Please present to me one single example of someone losing their job for using the terms “Karen” or “redneck” or “cracker” on social media.

I’ll wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FUpttuzlxA

George Carlin had it right years ago...context matters. The notion that context and intent doesn't matter and whether or not someone out there is offended does you get professors getting suspended because they use words phonetically similar to epithets.

(09-23-2020 10:12 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:08 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 09:59 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Would he have been fired if he had called a white kid a hillbilly or a redneck?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

This is exhausting

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Yea, double standards are indeed quite exhausting.

Nobody should be able to to insult or threaten anyone. But seriously the idea that when someone is called on it anyone will pull a bunch of what iffs to explain it...come on.

Let's just talk about THIS situation. Where is are the current players coming to his defense? The groundswell of past players and alumni saying no no no you have got it wrong. Where are the other coaches saying nope not him? Members of the community?

I get that some are maybe too young to understand the racial imagery that was being invoked.

Understand that your life experience is not indicative of others experience. Some people deal with this every single day. I am 52 and have dealt with this my entire life. I am not protesting because I do not believe it will ever change frankly. I can remember being in elementary school in the 70s in the US Can al Zone in Panama and having a gym coach when I was in the 3rd grade say in with an Alabama drawl "run like you're being chased by ghosts. Imagine ghosts in sheets chasing you".

People don't have say the N word and veiled racists, most of the time, are smart enough to avoid risking their jobs and livelihood.

I can't believe in 2020 after a lifetime of being stopped by cops dozens of times for jsut walking down the street that at 52 we are still having to even have this conversation. I should not have to be side eye the police on my way to Walmart or Home Depot or be nervous about my nephews going to the store. But there we are.

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(09-23-2020 10:13 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:03 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 09:59 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Would he have been fired if he had called a white kid a hillbilly or a redneck?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

If we're talking about an African American coach making what could be construed as racial slurs towards white players, I would think that the same would apply. I'm no expert by any means, but I would think that would be the case.

Sorry to tell you, but you’re wrong. How much backlash has their been against black people publicly using the word “Karen” to disparage white women?

Everyone knows what the double standard is.

How many of those videos have been of innocent people who were not committing ridiculous acts? LOL.

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Mods can we send this go the spin room?

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Mods, can you leave it here if you have that discretion? People like panama can choose to just not read the thread.

(09-23-2020 10:21 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:17 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:13 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:03 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 09:59 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Would he have been fired if he had called a white kid a hillbilly or a redneck?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

If we're talking about an African American coach making what could be construed as racial slurs towards white players, I would think that the same would apply. I'm no expert by any means, but I would think that would be the case.

Sorry to tell you, but you’re wrong. How much backlash has their been against black people publicly using the word “Karen” to disparage white women?

Everyone knows what the double standard is.

In the work place, or in general? This is a work place situation, so we can't just go around lumping everything under one umbrella.

Both. Take your pick. How many news anchors have lost their jobs for using the word “Karen” to describe white women?

First of all, there just aren't many true news anchors left anymore, as cable news especially has morphed away from news reporting and turned into little more than what used to be reserved for the editorial page of newspapers. Rather than report and let us make up our own minds, they only try to convince us of what we 'should' think. And that goes for the conservative stations like FOX and OAN for example, as well as the liberal stations such as CNN, MSNBC, and others. So I take everything they say with a grain of salt, as they're actually doing what they're paid to do, which is to convince their viewers of how correct their side is and how wrong the others are. Heck, they even regularly resort to throwing their competitors under the bus by cherry-picking segments from them and commenting on those as well.

Basketball coaches aren't paid to convince others of political views or anything else. They're paid to be good role models for the young men and women that parents have entrusted them with, teach them to play basketball and teach them about life. Racial slurs and blanket statements about other groups of people have no place on a basketball court or football field because you're not paid to divide as today's news 'anchors' apparently are, but are rather paid to unite and to inspire.

So while I get what you're saying, I still see those as two different scenarios. Look, if you do take issue with anchors using "Karen" to describe certain white women, then you should likewise take issue with a coach using disparaging racial remarks about African Americans. Yes, it's wrong to go around calling people "Karens", and it's wrong for those who have the power to do something about it to sit there and actually do nothing about it. You definitely should take issue with that. But here we have school administrators who actually are trying to do the right thing by launching an investigation in a situation where slurs have apparently regularly been made. And like I said, while I could be wrong, I believe that if it were an African American coach making slurs towards his white players, they would've launched an investigation as well.

You can be black and still be a Karen. You can be black and be a redneck, seen it before.

White people don't really deal with a lot of insults calling for them to be deported though. And I have never really heard the term "gangster" thrown around about how white folks look or are dressed.

I'm white and I've lived in Georgia (a lot of it in south Georgia) my entire life. People are kidding themselves if they don't see the dog whistles used to hide this type of behavior. It's pervasive in our society and while it has gotten better over time, it's still present.

Tolerance does not mean we have to endure the intolerant.

(09-23-2020 10:48 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  You can be black and still be a Karen. You can be black and be a redneck, seen it before.

White people don't really deal with a lot of insults calling for them to be deported though. And I have never really heard the term "gangster" thrown around about how white folks look or are dressed.

I'm white and I've lived in Georgia (a lot of it in south Georgia) my entire life. People are kidding themselves if they don't see the dog whistles used to hide this type of behavior. It's pervasive in our society and while it has gotten better over time, it's still present.

Tolerance does not mean we have to endure the intolerant.

(09-23-2020 10:48 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  You can be black and still be a Karen. You can be black and be a redneck, seen it before.

White people don't really deal with a lot of insults calling for them to be deported though. And I have never really heard the term "gangster" thrown around about how white folks look or are dressed.

I'm white and I've lived in Georgia (a lot of it in south Georgia) my entire life. People are kidding themselves if they don't see the dog whistles used to hide this type of behavior. It's pervasive in our society and while it has gotten better over time, it's still present.

Tolerance does not mean we have to endure the intolerant.

Wait...you can be black and still be a “Karen”? Nice try, but nope.

“Karen is a pejorative term used in the United States and other English-speaking countries for a woman perceived as entitled or demanding beyond the scope of what is appropriate or necessary. A common stereotype is that of a white woman who uses her privilege to demand her own way at the expense of others. Depictions also include demanding to "speak to the manager", anti-vaccination beliefs, being racist, or sporting a particular bob cut hairstyle. As of 2020, the term was increasingly being used as a general-purpose term of disapproval for middle-aged white women.“

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(pejorative)

(09-23-2020 11:02 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:48 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  You can be black and still be a Karen. You can be black and be a redneck, seen it before.

White people don't really deal with a lot of insults calling for them to be deported though. And I have never really heard the term "gangster" thrown around about how white folks look or are dressed.

I'm white and I've lived in Georgia (a lot of it in south Georgia) my entire life. People are kidding themselves if they don't see the dog whistles used to hide this type of behavior. It's pervasive in our society and while it has gotten better over time, it's still present.

Tolerance does not mean we have to endure the intolerant.

Wait...you can be black and still be a “Karen”? Nice try, but nope.

“Karen is a pejorative term used in the United States and other English-speaking countries for a woman perceived as entitled or demanding beyond the scope of what is appropriate or necessary. A common stereotype is that of a white woman who uses her privilege to demand her own way at the expense of others. Depictions also include demanding to "speak to the manager", anti-vaccination beliefs, being racist, or sporting a particular bob cut hairstyle. As of 2020, the term was increasingly being used as a general-purpose term of disapproval for middle-aged white women.“

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(pejorative)

Looks like we found a Karen. Would you like me to get the manager at Texas State for you?

(09-23-2020 11:13 AM)BundleGSU Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 11:02 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:48 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  You can be black and still be a Karen. You can be black and be a redneck, seen it before.

White people don't really deal with a lot of insults calling for them to be deported though. And I have never really heard the term "gangster" thrown around about how white folks look or are dressed.

I'm white and I've lived in Georgia (a lot of it in south Georgia) my entire life. People are kidding themselves if they don't see the dog whistles used to hide this type of behavior. It's pervasive in our society and while it has gotten better over time, it's still present.

Tolerance does not mean we have to endure the intolerant.

Wait...you can be black and still be a “Karen”? Nice try, but nope.

“Karen is a pejorative term used in the United States and other English-speaking countries for a woman perceived as entitled or demanding beyond the scope of what is appropriate or necessary. A common stereotype is that of a white woman who uses her privilege to demand her own way at the expense of others. Depictions also include demanding to "speak to the manager", anti-vaccination beliefs, being racist, or sporting a particular bob cut hairstyle. As of 2020, the term was increasingly being used as a general-purpose term of disapproval for middle-aged white women.“

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(pejorative)

Looks like we found a Karen. Would you like me to get the manager at Texas State for you?

I found a picture of CoastalAlum2011: