(09-29-2020 10:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 09:56 AM)otown Wrote:  

(09-25-2020 07:56 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  If Ohio State only plays the bottom of the little10, the SOS isn't any better than beat AAC or other top G5 schools. I would favor a G5 school that found a way to play 10,11,12 games and conference championship game. I would love to a see a 12 or 13-0 G5 to get in the playoff this year over a 5-0 P5 school

This will never happen because this whole system is based on hypocrisy. They change the subjective rules that they live by every year to meet their objective and narrative.
The biggest egregious case of hypocrisy will be this year if they do in fact put in a 5-0 P5 whose SOS is next to nothing if their most challenging games are cancelled. The argument year in and year out about keeping a G5 team out was because of the subjective "body of work" and SOS. That goes out the window if a 5-0 P5 team with a SOS no better than an undefeated G5 10-0 champ gets selected.

Some on this board would argue that the P5 team that was very powerful last year and returned most of its players subjectively are one of the top teams but circumstances out of their control did not allow them to have a full season. Therefore they argue that by all merits, they are still a top team.

Well my counter is boo freaking hoo. G5 teams always have circumstances to deal with that are not in their control...... their perceived weak schedules. So when this argument goes against a P5 we are suddenly supposed to create new rules and just annoit a team based on their name and perceived potential? What the hell is that?

Let's face it: What kind of playoff would have less legitimacy, a CFP with say a 10-0 Memphis team but without a 5-0 Ohio State team, or say a 5-0 Clemson team (let's say half their games end up canceled by covid) or vice-versa?

Basically, if Ohio State/Clemson isn't in the playoffs, people will have big doubts as to the validity of the champion. Nobody will feel the same if Memphis is left out. So the former have to be in, because ultimately the CFP is about matching the four teams people think are the best.

Then why have a season at all? Obviously at this point you are ok without anything played on the field as long as the perceived "correct" teams are in. Forget everything the committee has said over the years regarding how they rank teams.

(09-29-2020 11:24 AM)otown Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 10:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 09:56 AM)otown Wrote:  

(09-25-2020 07:56 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  If Ohio State only plays the bottom of the little10, the SOS isn't any better than beat AAC or other top G5 schools. I would favor a G5 school that found a way to play 10,11,12 games and conference championship game. I would love to a see a 12 or 13-0 G5 to get in the playoff this year over a 5-0 P5 school

This will never happen because this whole system is based on hypocrisy. They change the subjective rules that they live by every year to meet their objective and narrative.
The biggest egregious case of hypocrisy will be this year if they do in fact put in a 5-0 P5 whose SOS is next to nothing if their most challenging games are cancelled. The argument year in and year out about keeping a G5 team out was because of the subjective "body of work" and SOS. That goes out the window if a 5-0 P5 team with a SOS no better than an undefeated G5 10-0 champ gets selected.

Some on this board would argue that the P5 team that was very powerful last year and returned most of its players subjectively are one of the top teams but circumstances out of their control did not allow them to have a full season. Therefore they argue that by all merits, they are still a top team.

Well my counter is boo freaking hoo. G5 teams always have circumstances to deal with that are not in their control...... their perceived weak schedules. So when this argument goes against a P5 we are suddenly supposed to create new rules and just annoit a team based on their name and perceived potential? What the hell is that?

Let's face it: What kind of playoff would have less legitimacy, a CFP with say a 10-0 Memphis team but without a 5-0 Ohio State team, or say a 5-0 Clemson team (let's say half their games end up canceled by covid) or vice-versa?

Basically, if Ohio State/Clemson isn't in the playoffs, people will have big doubts as to the validity of the champion. Nobody will feel the same if Memphis is left out. So the former have to be in, because ultimately the CFP is about matching the four teams people think are the best.

Then why have a season at all? Obviously at this point you are ok without anything played on the field as long as the perceived "correct" teams are in. Forget everything the committee has said over the years regarding how they rank teams.

Well, see, this is a unique situation, so we're doing the best we can for this year.

Nobody is suggesting that going forward on a permanent basis it will be OK for a team to play only 5 games and still make the playoffs. If Clemson or Ohio State were to declare that from 2021 forward they will only be playing a 5-game schedule well then they would be disqualifying themselves. But this is a unique set of circumstances so we are making the best of it.

(09-29-2020 01:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 11:24 AM)otown Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 10:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 09:56 AM)otown Wrote:  

(09-25-2020 07:56 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  If Ohio State only plays the bottom of the little10, the SOS isn't any better than beat AAC or other top G5 schools. I would favor a G5 school that found a way to play 10,11,12 games and conference championship game. I would love to a see a 12 or 13-0 G5 to get in the playoff this year over a 5-0 P5 school

This will never happen because this whole system is based on hypocrisy. They change the subjective rules that they live by every year to meet their objective and narrative.
The biggest egregious case of hypocrisy will be this year if they do in fact put in a 5-0 P5 whose SOS is next to nothing if their most challenging games are cancelled. The argument year in and year out about keeping a G5 team out was because of the subjective "body of work" and SOS. That goes out the window if a 5-0 P5 team with a SOS no better than an undefeated G5 10-0 champ gets selected.

Some on this board would argue that the P5 team that was very powerful last year and returned most of its players subjectively are one of the top teams but circumstances out of their control did not allow them to have a full season. Therefore they argue that by all merits, they are still a top team.

Well my counter is boo freaking hoo. G5 teams always have circumstances to deal with that are not in their control...... their perceived weak schedules. So when this argument goes against a P5 we are suddenly supposed to create new rules and just annoit a team based on their name and perceived potential? What the hell is that?

Let's face it: What kind of playoff would have less legitimacy, a CFP with say a 10-0 Memphis team but without a 5-0 Ohio State team, or say a 5-0 Clemson team (let's say half their games end up canceled by covid) or vice-versa?

Basically, if Ohio State/Clemson isn't in the playoffs, people will have big doubts as to the validity of the champion. Nobody will feel the same if Memphis is left out. So the former have to be in, because ultimately the CFP is about matching the four teams people think are the best.

Then why have a season at all? Obviously at this point you are ok without anything played on the field as long as the perceived "correct" teams are in. Forget everything the committee has said over the years regarding how they rank teams.

Well, see, this is a unique situation, so we're doing the best we can for this year.

Nobody is suggesting that going forward on a permanent basis it will be OK for a team to play only 5 games and still make the playoffs. If Clemson or Ohio State were to declare that from 2021 forward they will only be playing a 5-game schedule well then they would disqualifying themselves. But this is a unique set of circumstances so we are making the best of it.

The committee can't write the rules for this year because things change week to week. I do think that if a Central Florida goes 10-0 this year they will stand a better chance of being included than in a normal year, and is way to early to know how the CFP will be approached. We don't know if 5-0 will get her done right now or not. We don't know if they will use bowls o narrow he selection for the CFP or deemphasize them. They are literally making this season up as it goes along.

(09-29-2020 01:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 01:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 11:24 AM)otown Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 10:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 09:56 AM)otown Wrote:  This will never happen because this whole system is based on hypocrisy. They change the subjective rules that they live by every year to meet their objective and narrative.
The biggest egregious case of hypocrisy will be this year if they do in fact put in a 5-0 P5 whose SOS is next to nothing if their most challenging games are cancelled. The argument year in and year out about keeping a G5 team out was because of the subjective "body of work" and SOS. That goes out the window if a 5-0 P5 team with a SOS no better than an undefeated G5 10-0 champ gets selected.

Some on this board would argue that the P5 team that was very powerful last year and returned most of its players subjectively are one of the top teams but circumstances out of their control did not allow them to have a full season. Therefore they argue that by all merits, they are still a top team.

Well my counter is boo freaking hoo. G5 teams always have circumstances to deal with that are not in their control...... their perceived weak schedules. So when this argument goes against a P5 we are suddenly supposed to create new rules and just annoit a team based on their name and perceived potential? What the hell is that?

Let's face it: What kind of playoff would have less legitimacy, a CFP with say a 10-0 Memphis team but without a 5-0 Ohio State team, or say a 5-0 Clemson team (let's say half their games end up canceled by covid) or vice-versa?

Basically, if Ohio State/Clemson isn't in the playoffs, people will have big doubts as to the validity of the champion. Nobody will feel the same if Memphis is left out. So the former have to be in, because ultimately the CFP is about matching the four teams people think are the best.

Then why have a season at all? Obviously at this point you are ok without anything played on the field as long as the perceived "correct" teams are in. Forget everything the committee has said over the years regarding how they rank teams.

Well, see, this is a unique situation, so we're doing the best we can for this year.

Nobody is suggesting that going forward on a permanent basis it will be OK for a team to play only 5 games and still make the playoffs. If Clemson or Ohio State were to declare that from 2021 forward they will only be playing a 5-game schedule well then they would disqualifying themselves. But this is a unique set of circumstances so we are making the best of it.

The committee can't write the rules for this year because things change week to week. I do think that if a Central Florida goes 10-0 this year they will stand a better chance of being included than in a normal year, and is way to early to know how the CFP will be approached. We don't know if 5-0 will get her done right now or not. We don't know if they will use bowls o narrow he selection for the CFP or deemphasize them. They are literally making this season up as it goes along.

This is the perfect season to implement expanded playoffs. Its literally a perfect built in excuse to do so.

not sure if someone wants to do a new thread or keep going here, but Troy at South Alabama is our first call-off for this weekend. Looks like it was more USA's issue than Troy's, for those who enjoy playing the blame game.

Next Saturday the 10th is a mutual off day - but if that's not enough time they could go on December 12 and push the Sun Belt title game to the 19th (if necessary).

(09-29-2020 07:35 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  not sure if someone wants to do a new thread or keep going here, but Troy at South Alabama is our first call-off for this weekend. Looks like it was more USA's issue than Troy's, for those who enjoy playing the blame game.

Next Saturday the 10th is a mutual off day - but if that's not enough time they could go on December 12 and push the Sun Belt title game to the 19th (if necessary).

There seems to be some correlation to our positive cases and Hurricane Sally. Hopefully we’re able to get back on track and we are able to get this game in with Troy in December.