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(09-22-2020 11:18 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  UNT is tough job to hire for even at 1.8 million. No G5 head coach wants it. Historic losing program in competitive area for recruiting. UNT hasn’t had NFL draft pick in 20 years, try selling that to Mommy Daddy or Uncle.

Ha! Please... The North Texas job is much more appealing than it was when we joined C-USA, or even before Littrell got here in 2016.

Between the salaries, budgets, facilities, alumni size, future schedules, and location... this place is a gold mine. We just need a competent coach.
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at some point when you have moved enough dirt and dug enough holes and spent enough money and you have no gold you have to realize you don't have a gold mine you just have a mud hole

kind of like when you say the sleeping giant is about to wake up often enough you have to realize the giant is not a giant it is a dwarf and it is not about to wake up it is in a long term coma or perhaps even dead
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(09-26-2020 02:21 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  at some point when you have moved enough dirt and dug enough holes and spent enough money and you have no gold you have to realize you don't have a gold mine you just have a mud hole

kind of like when you say the sleeping giant is about to wake up often enough you have to realize the giant is not a giant it is a dwarf and it is not about to wake up it is in a long term coma or perhaps even dead

We put facilities in the holes we dig. 07-coffee3
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(09-26-2020 03:10 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 02:21 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  at some point when you have moved enough dirt and dug enough holes and spent enough money and you have no gold you have to realize you don't have a gold mine you just have a mud hole

kind of like when you say the sleeping giant is about to wake up often enough you have to realize the giant is not a giant it is a dwarf and it is not about to wake up it is in a long term coma or perhaps even dead

We put facilities in the holes we dig. 07-coffee3

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(09-26-2020 03:17 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 03:10 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 02:21 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  at some point when you have moved enough dirt and dug enough holes and spent enough money and you have no gold you have to realize you don't have a gold mine you just have a mud hole

kind of like when you say the sleeping giant is about to wake up often enough you have to realize the giant is not a giant it is a dwarf and it is not about to wake up it is in a long term coma or perhaps even dead

We put facilities in the holes we dig. 07-coffee3

[Image: giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47e2a77fe169ac8b81fc...=giphy.gif]

You've gone to some North Texas games recently. You know we are building nice stuff.
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(09-26-2020 03:24 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 03:17 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 03:10 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 02:21 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  at some point when you have moved enough dirt and dug enough holes and spent enough money and you have no gold you have to realize you don't have a gold mine you just have a mud hole

kind of like when you say the sleeping giant is about to wake up often enough you have to realize the giant is not a giant it is a dwarf and it is not about to wake up it is in a long term coma or perhaps even dead

We put facilities in the holes we dig. 07-coffee3

[Image: giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47e2a77fe169ac8b81fc...=giphy.gif]

You've gone to some North Texas games recently. You know we are building nice stuff.

UNT's problems have never been about a lack of "stuff". It's always been about the UNT leadership thinking all the new "stuff" will get the job done for 'em. It won't. Some folks would call it the "Nouveau Riche" syndrome. It's akin to the Beverly Hillbillies not knowing what to do with the "cement pond" in the back yard, or the "fancy supper table that has these weird pockets" in the corners.

It's never been about potential at UNT. Having plenty of money --or 100K students enrolled-- won't make you a winner.
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(09-23-2020 01:09 PM)banker Wrote:  
(09-23-2020 12:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-23-2020 12:33 PM)banker Wrote:  I would structure contracts with a reasonable base, great performance incentives, and retention bonuses at our level.

Why not:
$500,000 base
$30k per win
$25 k for a bowl
$25k for a bowl win
$50k for a division title
$50k for a conference title
$100,000 for a NY6 bowl
$100,000 for a NY6 bowl win.

Your base increases $100,000 every time we sign a new contract and all incentives go up 10%.

Question: don’t incentives encourage cheating and lax discipline? Are you really going to sit your star QB for a half when a win is worth $30k?

Well, if you are up big shouldn’t you protect him for the next game you want to win? If you aren’t up big, why should he be sitting?

My belief is coaches try to win every game. Incentives just reward their ability to fulfill that desire. Lax discipline doesn’t win games generally and cheating is a character flaw that should be overseen by the school anyway. I guy who will cheat to earn incentives is a guy who would cheat to keep his job anyway.

I think he means when the QB commits murder or a team infraction the coach won't sit him because of incentives. Hence the discipline problem. If the coaches pay is protected he will be more likely to sit a player that is not being a decent human being and risking the loss. Incentivized salary creates a win at all cost environment and a runaway team (possibly). Has to be some balance.
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(09-26-2020 03:36 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 03:24 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 03:17 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 03:10 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 02:21 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  at some point when you have moved enough dirt and dug enough holes and spent enough money and you have no gold you have to realize you don't have a gold mine you just have a mud hole

kind of like when you say the sleeping giant is about to wake up often enough you have to realize the giant is not a giant it is a dwarf and it is not about to wake up it is in a long term coma or perhaps even dead

We put facilities in the holes we dig. 07-coffee3

[Image: giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47e2a77fe169ac8b81fc...=giphy.gif]

You've gone to some North Texas games recently. You know we are building nice stuff.

UNT's problems have never been about a lack of "stuff". It's always been about the UNT leadership thinking all the new "stuff" will get the job done for 'em. It won't. Some folks would call it the "Nouveau Riche" syndrome. It's akin to the Beverly Hillbillies not knowing what to do with the "cement pond" in the back yard, or the "fancy supper table that has these weird pockets" in the corners.

It's never been about potential at UNT. Having plenty of money --or 100K students enrolled-- won't make you a winner.

North Texas lacked stuff, and for a very long time. Remember Fouts Field?

[Image: ?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnorthtexan.unt.edu%2Fsit...amp;nofb=1]

Certainly leadership was a problem for a very long time too. For decades, our university leadership did not prioritize athletics. And in turn, our old AD was able to remain at his job much too long. Baker is a much better AD. All we lack is the right coach. Is there something else you think we need?
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and that north Texas state fans do not realize is all their new stuff still gets them to about the same level as some of the lower level programs in the G5

it is not like you built a 50,000 seat stajium that you fill up or come close to filling regularly you built one of the smallest stajium in the G5 and sure it is new, but plenty of other places seat more, have been remodeled, have way more history, bring in more fans, or have been built even more recently

and no one really cares how old the concrete or the seats are if there are decent sight lines and a good product on the field (what north Texas state lacks in droves)

plenty of places have indoor practice facilities and have for a long time

plenty of places have new locker rooms

no one cares what you pay a coach when others making the same or less win a lot more frequently

you put stuff in your holes that you dig.....but it is still not gold it is just more stuff to try and find gold with.....and still no gold all the while all that stuff gets older and older, more money is spent....and still no gold......and the giant is still dead
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(09-26-2020 04:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 03:36 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 03:24 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 03:17 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 03:10 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  We put facilities in the holes we dig. 07-coffee3

[Image: giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47e2a77fe169ac8b81fc...=giphy.gif]

You've gone to some North Texas games recently. You know we are building nice stuff.

UNT's problems have never been about a lack of "stuff". It's always been about the UNT leadership thinking all the new "stuff" will get the job done for 'em. It won't. Some folks would call it the "Nouveau Riche" syndrome. It's akin to the Beverly Hillbillies not knowing what to do with the "cement pond" in the back yard, or the "fancy supper table that has these weird pockets" in the corners.

It's never been about potential at UNT. Having plenty of money --or 100K students enrolled-- won't make you a winner.

North Texas lacked stuff, and for a very long time. Remember Fouts Field?

[Image: ?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnorthtexan.unt.edu%2Fsit...amp;nofb=1]

Certainly leadership was a problem for a very long time too. For decades, our university leadership did not prioritize athletics. And in turn, our old AD was able to remain at his job much too long. Baker is a much better AD. All we lack is the right coach. Is there something else you think we need?

Nope. I think UNT has most of the right pieces in place. I just think you need to hire right. And don't pay the next guy $2M a year just for showing up. It makes him too comfortable. That's where your "leadership" needs to be smarter.
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(09-26-2020 04:54 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 04:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 03:36 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 03:24 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(09-26-2020 03:17 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  [Image: giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47e2a77fe169ac8b81fc...=giphy.gif]

You've gone to some North Texas games recently. You know we are building nice stuff.

UNT's problems have never been about a lack of "stuff". It's always been about the UNT leadership thinking all the new "stuff" will get the job done for 'em. It won't. Some folks would call it the "Nouveau Riche" syndrome. It's akin to the Beverly Hillbillies not knowing what to do with the "cement pond" in the back yard, or the "fancy supper table that has these weird pockets" in the corners.

It's never been about potential at UNT. Having plenty of money --or 100K students enrolled-- won't make you a winner.

North Texas lacked stuff, and for a very long time. Remember Fouts Field?

[Image: ?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnorthtexan.unt.edu%2Fsit...amp;nofb=1]

Certainly leadership was a problem for a very long time too. For decades, our university leadership did not prioritize athletics. And in turn, our old AD was able to remain at his job much too long. Baker is a much better AD. All we lack is the right coach. Is there something else you think we need?

Nope. I think UNT has most of the right pieces in place. I just think you need to hire right. And don't pay the next guy $2M a year just for showing up. It makes him too comfortable. That's where your "leadership" needs to be smarter.

I don't mind North Texas spending $2M a year, if that is what it takes to get the right coach.

I want Littrell gone. He has failed to live up to his contract. But, I understand that COVID has hindered every member of C-USA from being able to operate under normal circumstances. If not for the current uncertainty within college football, I think Littrell would be on a hotter seat. Some say don't hire a coach you can't afford to fire. Well, I don't think we did. I just think none of us can calculate the effects a pandemic will have on the long term health of our athletic finances. UNT is doing well financially, but I understand the reluctance to make a move until we have a clearer picture of the future.
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(09-26-2020 12:39 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(09-22-2020 11:18 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  UNT is tough job to hire for even at 1.8 million. No G5 head coach wants it. Historic losing program in competitive area for recruiting. UNT hasn’t had NFL draft pick in 20 years, try selling that to Mommy Daddy or Uncle.

Ha! Please... The North Texas job is much more appealing than it was when we joined C-USA, or even before Littrell got here in 2016.

Between the salaries, budgets, facilities, alumni size, future schedules, and location... this place is a gold mine. We just need a competent coach.

Well hire a G5 head coach than. It won’t happen.

Any winning G5 head coach is going to lot higher level than UNT, if you think otherwise I can’t help you.
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Liberty has a nice stadium...from what I could see of it on TV.
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