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RE: Predictions: The Future of the Group of Five (G5)
(09-29-2020 01:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (09-29-2020 10:18 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote: (09-29-2020 09:14 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (09-29-2020 08:36 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote: (09-29-2020 04:43 AM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote: I recognize this is an internet message board, and we are all free to express our own opinion, but your post is written as if you are stating facts, not opinions. So, in all seriousness, if they are facts, I am curious to know if the above factors were considered and, if so how they played a part in the analysis. I will readily admit, I have not researched it, and there is nothing compelling you to do so simply to satisfy my curiosity. Just thought it would be interesting.
There was not a guideline by the NCAA but the B1G, PAC and those under the CFA TV contract (SEC, ACC, B8, SWC, WAC, Ind) were part of the major club. This includes BE football programs that were still independent and southern independents like Louisville and Memphis.
No, circa 1990, the major football conferences were the conferences that had a tie-in to the traditional major bowl games - the Rose, Sugar, Orange and Cotton Bowls.
So that was the SEC, B1G, PAC, SWC and Big 8. Those were the five major conferences. There were also a handful of independents that were recognized as major programs - Notre Dame, Penn State, FSU, WV, Miami, BC, Pitt and Syracuse being the obvious ones. Louisville and Memphis were not major. Some of those would soon form the Big East football conference, which was "major" at birth in 1991.
The ACC and Fiesta Bowl were special cases. The Fiesta Bowl, between 1986 - 1989 had basically become a "5th major" by throwing tons of money at top teams to play in its game. It was the maverick, the "independent major" among the bowls. The old boys club looked down its nose at it but they couldn't turn away its money, it bought its way in.
The ACC was clearly above the WAC and all the rest and also had the cachet of being the premier basketball conference, but wasn't quite at the same level. That's why they invited FSU, to take that next step.
So around 1990, you had five major conferences and four (five) major bowls, but with the ACC on the cusp of joining (or really, since the ACC had been a major football conference in the 1950s, re-joining, the club), and some of the major independents were on the verge of forming a major conference, the Big East or joining a conference, like FSU and Penn State.
CFA schools were all major regardless if they had a tie to big 4 bowl or not. By definition CFA was an association of major schools.
I was alive and well in the 1980s and no, not all CFA schools or conferences were regarded as major. If you had a tie to the major bowls, you were major.
If anything, the informal definition was even tighter back then - schools like Oregon State and Northwestern were in major conferences but nobody regarded them as major programs, whereas today if you are in a P5 conference you were major by definition.
I don't remember the revenue sharing to all conference members back in the 80's/90's and even if they did they didn't share anywhere near the amount of money they do today. That's the big difference. A bad Big Ten or SEC team still gets paid well.
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Predictions: The Future of the Group of Five (G5)
