(09-18-2020 11:15 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:54 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:52 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Here is an article on the different deadlines for absentee ballots.
https://news.yahoo.com/know-biden-trump-...22608.html

In defense of the PA Supreme Court the 3 day extension is not incredibly abnormal. However the way im reading the PA rules is that unsigned absentee ballots without a postmark can be counted . How many of those will appear out of the blue after election night??

However many they think they need to win.

You guys and this cheating stuff, is just ******* ridiculous. If anything, the idiot dems think they have this in the bag...so why in the **** would they need to commit easily uncovered felonies to assure more votes for their guy...while you completely poo poo that any Republican would ever try to cheat?

Frankly, it makes you guys look like total fools and shills...or just plain liars. Sad.

Why do you deny the fact that mail in voting makes cheating easier?

Define easier. You need a valid looking ballot and in some cases a valid barcode, you need to forge a signature, you need to make sure the voter you're your impersonating is on the rolls and that they have not already voted...all to commit a felony for one vote. Easy as pie. Maybe that's why Colorado had 14 cases over a period of 13 years on nearly 16 millions votes. Oregon had 15 cases in 20 years on 15.5 million votes.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/20...the-risks/

https://twitter.com/srl/status/1306964913378729985

I’LL SEE YOU AND RAISE YOU

There has NEVER been the widespread ballot harvesting, vote fraud conducted by one of the two major political parties like you’ll see this year.

If you think these Democrat Governors in the Democratic Swing States aren’t on board with allowing election fraud this fall you haven’t been paying attention.

You don’t hire an army of attorneys to defend election results months before the election unless you expect them to be challenged.

Leftist Progressive scum are out to steal the presidency and destroy our Nation.

Conservatives better be locked and loaded come November 4th. We may have to fight to take our country back.

Look at 2016, HRC said she wouldn't contest results, and she didn't. She help fund Jill Stein via the DNC to challenge the results...

That Judge is a black democrat that was appointed by Michigan's previous lousy Governor Jennifer Granholm in 2008.

If you read through the court documents, she is ruling exactly as a democrat would rule. In fact, a lot of the background in the document reads as if it is an indictment of mail-in voting. Using that to discredit those who would like to see current voting rules adhered to. As expected.

Quote:With respect to that documentary evidence, the unrefuted affidavits and documents compel the conclusion that, in light of delays attributable to the COVID-19 pandemic, mail delivery has become significantly compromised,and the risk for disenfranchisement when a voter returns an absent voter ballot by mail is very real.Plaintiffs have produced documentary evidence that there have been significant mail delays since the onset of the pandemic, particularly in Detroit, despite a decrease in the volume of mail being processed during the same time. Furthermore, plaintiffs’ documentary evidence revealed that, due to “major operational changes” with the Postal Service—such as elimination of overtime hours—mail delivery could be slowed down even further, particularly with what figures to be an event that increases strain on the system, such as a large increase in mail volume associated with mailing absentee ballots in advance of the November 2020 general election. For these and similar reasons, the Secretary of State issued public warnings to voters the week before the August 2020 primary and urged voters to not use the United States Postal Service to return absent voter ballots, given the risk that completed ballots would not arrive in time to be counted.

Plaintiffs presented affidavit evidence that many voters were in fact deprived of having their absent voter ballot tallied in the Augusts primary.Plaintiffs presented unrefuted evidence that thousands of voters’ absentee ballots were not counted due to having been received after Election Day in the most recent August 2020 primary election. Affidavits and testimony detailed that despite voters requesting absent ballots weeks in advance of the primary,their actual ballot arrived as late as Election Day.The late receipt made it virtually impossible to return the ballot by mail in time to be counted.Furthermore, plaintiffs have produced evidence of instances where voters’ completed ballots were sent well in advance of the receipt deadline for the August 2020 primary election, but where the ballots were not counted because, as a result of mail delays, they were not received on time. In one instance, a ballot that was destined for the clerk’s office in Wyandotte, Michigan, was routed out of state, to Illinois, before being delivered (late) to its intended address in Michigan. These ballots were just some of the over 6,400 otherwise valid ballots that were rejected for having been received after the election day receipt deadline.

The general counsel for the United States Postal Service acknowledged that the law in this state, namely the ballot receipt deadline, posed a significant risk of disenfranchisement because of current mail processing.Given the documented increase in absent ballot requests, the risks of disenfranchisement are projected to rise with respect to the November 2020 general election.

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-conte...-Order.pdf

Opens the door for cheating. No surprise there.

(09-18-2020 12:11 PM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/srl/status/1306964913378729985

I’LL SEE YOU AND RAISE YOU

Judge Cynthia Diane Stephens...a liberal from the Detroit area. Who’da thunk it.

(09-18-2020 11:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 11:15 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:54 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:52 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Here is an article on the different deadlines for absentee ballots.
https://news.yahoo.com/know-biden-trump-...22608.html

In defense of the PA Supreme Court the 3 day extension is not incredibly abnormal. However the way im reading the PA rules is that unsigned absentee ballots without a postmark can be counted . How many of those will appear out of the blue after election night??

However many they think they need to win.

You guys and this cheating stuff, is just ******* ridiculous. If anything, the idiot dems think they have this in the bag...so why in the **** would they need to commit easily uncovered felonies to assure more votes for their guy...while you completely poo poo that any Republican would ever try to cheat?

Frankly, it makes you guys look like total fools and shills...or just plain liars. Sad.

Why do you deny the fact that mail in voting makes cheating easier?

Define easier. You need a valid looking ballot and in some cases a valid barcode, you need to forge a signature, you need to make sure the voter you're your impersonating is on the rolls and that they have not already voted...all to commit a felony for one vote. Easy as pie. Maybe that's why Colorado had 14 cases over a period of 13 years on nearly 16 millions votes. Oregon had 15 cases in 20 years on 15.5 million votes.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/20...the-risks/

Quote:You need a valid looking ballot and in some cases a valid barcode. You need a valid looking ballot and in some cases a valid barcode.

One bad apple on the inside would make that very easy

Quote:you need to forge a signature

Not in PA. Ballots without signature will be accepted from what i have read.

Quote:Maybe that's why Colorado had 14 cases over a period of 13 years on nearly 16 millions votes. Oregon had 15 cases in 20 years on 15.5 million votes

What incentive would there be to expose mass fraud. Election confidence would be ruined for at least a generation. You'll get your one off low level idiots exposed, but if there has ever an inside job with a bad internal actor(s) you wouldn't hear a peep

Yeah...what a ridiculous decision...if forces beyond your control cause your vote to arrive later than a few days after election, even though you mailed it on time according to the law, you don't have the right to have your vote counted.

You guys are ******* insane!

And FWIW - You do realize that this helps Republican voters too, right?

(09-18-2020 01:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah...what a ridiculous decision...if forces beyond your control cause your vote to arrive later than a few days after election, even though you mailed it on time according to the law, you don't have the right to have your vote counted.

You guys are ******* insane!

And FWIW - You do realize that this helps Republican voters too, right?

Country and election integrity before party

(09-18-2020 01:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 11:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 11:15 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:54 AM)VA49er Wrote:  However many they think they need to win.

You guys and this cheating stuff, is just ******* ridiculous. If anything, the idiot dems think they have this in the bag...so why in the **** would they need to commit easily uncovered felonies to assure more votes for their guy...while you completely poo poo that any Republican would ever try to cheat?

Frankly, it makes you guys look like total fools and shills...or just plain liars. Sad.

Why do you deny the fact that mail in voting makes cheating easier?

Define easier. You need a valid looking ballot and in some cases a valid barcode, you need to forge a signature, you need to make sure the voter you're your impersonating is on the rolls and that they have not already voted...all to commit a felony for one vote. Easy as pie. Maybe that's why Colorado had 14 cases over a period of 13 years on nearly 16 millions votes. Oregon had 15 cases in 20 years on 15.5 million votes.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/20...the-risks/

Quote:You need a valid looking ballot and in some cases a valid barcode. You need a valid looking ballot and in some cases a valid barcode.

One bad apple on the inside would make that very easy

Quote:you need to forge a signature

Not in PA. Ballots without signature will be accepted from what i have read.

Quote:Maybe that's why Colorado had 14 cases over a period of 13 years on nearly 16 millions votes. Oregon had 15 cases in 20 years on 15.5 million votes

What incentive would there be to expose mass fraud. Election confidence would be ruined for at least a generation. You'll get your one off low level idiots exposed, but if there has ever an inside job with a bad internal actor(s) you wouldn't hear a peep

One bad apple can manipulate in person machine votes as well. So we don't allow that voting process either?

Your argument makes little to no sense.

Not to mention, any grand scale manipulation is likely to stick out like a sore thumb.

Tom still denying that voter fraud exists.......

One trick pony.

(09-18-2020 01:15 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Tom still denying that voter fraud exists.......

One trick pony.

No moron...voter fraud exists...I've never said otherwise.

Broken record.

(09-18-2020 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 01:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 11:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 11:15 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You guys and this cheating stuff, is just ******* ridiculous. If anything, the idiot dems think they have this in the bag...so why in the **** would they need to commit easily uncovered felonies to assure more votes for their guy...while you completely poo poo that any Republican would ever try to cheat?

Frankly, it makes you guys look like total fools and shills...or just plain liars. Sad.

Why do you deny the fact that mail in voting makes cheating easier?

Define easier. You need a valid looking ballot and in some cases a valid barcode, you need to forge a signature, you need to make sure the voter you're your impersonating is on the rolls and that they have not already voted...all to commit a felony for one vote. Easy as pie. Maybe that's why Colorado had 14 cases over a period of 13 years on nearly 16 millions votes. Oregon had 15 cases in 20 years on 15.5 million votes.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/20...the-risks/

Quote:You need a valid looking ballot and in some cases a valid barcode. You need a valid looking ballot and in some cases a valid barcode.

One bad apple on the inside would make that very easy

Quote:you need to forge a signature

Not in PA. Ballots without signature will be accepted from what i have read.

Quote:Maybe that's why Colorado had 14 cases over a period of 13 years on nearly 16 millions votes. Oregon had 15 cases in 20 years on 15.5 million votes

What incentive would there be to expose mass fraud. Election confidence would be ruined for at least a generation. You'll get your one off low level idiots exposed, but if there has ever an inside job with a bad internal actor(s) you wouldn't hear a peep

One bad apple can manipulate in person machine votes as well. So we don't allow that voting process either?

Your argument makes little to no sense.

Not to mention, any grand scale manipulation is likely to stick out like a sore thumb.

Expect to see a lot of this starting the Wednesday after election
https://www.wsj.com/articles/whoopswe-fo...1600384516

https://www.telegram.com/news/20200701/h...erks-vault

https://www.fox17online.com/news/local-n...ip-recount

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/politics/...index.html

The moral of the story is if you vote in person it greatly reduces the amount of potential cheating and virtually guaranteed confusion that occurs when ballots are mailed out to everyone under a pinky promise that there won't be any funny business

(09-18-2020 01:37 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 01:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 11:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 11:15 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Why do you deny the fact that mail in voting makes cheating easier?

Define easier. You need a valid looking ballot and in some cases a valid barcode, you need to forge a signature, you need to make sure the voter you're your impersonating is on the rolls and that they have not already voted...all to commit a felony for one vote. Easy as pie. Maybe that's why Colorado had 14 cases over a period of 13 years on nearly 16 millions votes. Oregon had 15 cases in 20 years on 15.5 million votes.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/20...the-risks/

Quote:You need a valid looking ballot and in some cases a valid barcode. You need a valid looking ballot and in some cases a valid barcode.

One bad apple on the inside would make that very easy

Quote:you need to forge a signature

Not in PA. Ballots without signature will be accepted from what i have read.

Quote:Maybe that's why Colorado had 14 cases over a period of 13 years on nearly 16 millions votes. Oregon had 15 cases in 20 years on 15.5 million votes

What incentive would there be to expose mass fraud. Election confidence would be ruined for at least a generation. You'll get your one off low level idiots exposed, but if there has ever an inside job with a bad internal actor(s) you wouldn't hear a peep

One bad apple can manipulate in person machine votes as well. So we don't allow that voting process either?

Your argument makes little to no sense.

Not to mention, any grand scale manipulation is likely to stick out like a sore thumb.

Expect to see a lot of this starting the Wednesday after election
https://www.wsj.com/articles/whoopswe-fo...1600384516

https://www.telegram.com/news/20200701/h...erks-vault

https://www.fox17online.com/news/local-n...ip-recount

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/politics/...index.html

Of course...this is a hotly contested presidential election, in the middle of a pandemic, that will likely be extremely close. We're in uncharted waters in a lot of ways. But that does not mean that you just get to bellow that the results are going to be ripe with fraud. Especially before anything even happens. That's just reckless, and should not be coming from the president and his AG lackey.

(09-18-2020 01:50 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The moral of the story is if you vote in person it greatly reduces the amount of potential cheating and virtually guaranteed confusion that occurs when ballots are mailed out to everyone under a pinky promise that there won't be any funny business

Voting machines and people counting votes make mistakes too. And to just say that "ballots are mailed out to everyone" is just simply not a factual statement and it's akin to the nonsense trump is spewing. Yes, some states are, but many are not. They're mostly mailing applications IIRC.

And FWIW, today in Virginia

(09-18-2020 09:52 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Here is an article on the different deadlines for absentee ballots.
https://news.yahoo.com/know-biden-trump-...22608.html

In defense of the PA Supreme Court the 3 day extension is not incredibly abnormal. However the way im reading the PA rules is that unsigned absentee ballots without a postmark can be counted . How many of those will appear out of the blue after election night??

Lol

Unsigned and no postmark... so ghost ballots are now to be counted. No room for fraud there.

Good grief.

(09-18-2020 01:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 01:50 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The moral of the story is if you vote in person it greatly reduces the amount of potential cheating and virtually guaranteed confusion that occurs when ballots are mailed out to everyone under a pinky promise that there won't be any funny business

Voting machines and people counting votes make mistakes too. And to just say that "ballots are mailed out to everyone" is just simply not a factual statement and it's akin to the nonsense trump is spewing. Yes, some states are, but many are not. They're mostly mailing applications IIRC.

And FWIW, today in Virginia

In some states unsolcited ballots are being mailed out to all.

You don't think that's a problem and everyone will be super honest. I dont

Good for Virginia. Im a big proponent of early voting sites. I generally vote early and NC does a pretty good job to ensure a longer opportunity to come in person and cast your vote.

(09-18-2020 02:03 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:52 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Here is an article on the different deadlines for absentee ballots.
https://news.yahoo.com/know-biden-trump-...22608.html

In defense of the PA Supreme Court the 3 day extension is not incredibly abnormal. However the way im reading the PA rules is that unsigned absentee ballots without a postmark can be counted . How many of those will appear out of the blue after election night??

Lol

Unsigned and no postmark... so ghost ballots are now to be counted. No room for fraud there.

Good grief.

There is nothing about a missing signature in this article. Only a missing postmark.

Quote:The court also wrote that ballots "received within this period that lack a postmark or other proof of mailing, or for which the postmark or other proof of mailing is illegible, will be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day unless a preponderance of the evidence demonstrates that it was mailed after Election Day."

Pennsylvania Supreme Court extends state's mail ballot deadline

It's just an added protection of your voting franchise should your mailer not get postmarked by the post office as does happen from time to time.

(09-18-2020 02:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It's just an added protection of your voting franchise should your mailer not get postmarked by the post office as does happen from time to time.

Oh good grief. That's not why they want this, and we both know that.