To be fair G5s are invisible to P5 fans. I still get a lot of blank stares when I talked SBC football. It doesn't help that the main footprint is no where near Texas. I was in Lafayette for work and a guy was wearing a UL shirt. He said he goes to some games but didn't seem to care when I brought up TXST. Most of the time talking CFB is like talking to a wall when it is not a P5 team.

The only thing I miss about FCS was the many years of watching the polls weekly to make sure App was ranked high enought to make it into the playoffs; and the playoffs were a blast. I still thing App should have moved up to FBS when Division 1 split but admit the rivlarys with Furman and later GS were dynamic and fun and I'm pleased that GS has been a "partner" in the move to the Belt. I'm certainly happy with were App is today and with what the Belt is becoming.

(09-18-2020 07:03 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Believe you will find most folks could only tell you about P5 schools.
If your a SBC fan you will keep up with the conference you consider rivals and P5.
If your a AAC fan you keep up with P5
If your CUSA you keep up with AAC and P5 with very little AAC knowledge
If your FCS you keep up with FCS and P5
If your DII you keep up with DII and P5
If your Ivy league your too good to keep up with anyone else.
Live in North Alabama and it primarily P5 with a little JSU. Some UAB but no SBC schools are ever mentioned. Bham news will have UAB and the other non UAT and Auburn schools get a small bit of news.
The big advantage of any level FBS is the betting line. Rarely does a FCS school get Vegas odds.
Best thing is to enjoy what you enjoy and dont worry a lot about others or their attention to your program.

For sure, no one is disputing that. Obviously the biggest advantage to being FBS is the increased exposure. Even as the bottom feeder Sun Belt program we get 1000x more exposure than we did as an FCS school, but yea gambling is fun too.

(09-18-2020 07:03 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Believe you will find most folks could only tell you about P5 schools.
If your a SBC fan you will keep up with the conference you consider rivals and P5.
If your a AAC fan you keep up with P5
If your CUSA you keep up with AAC and P5 with very little AAC knowledge
If your FCS you keep up with FCS and P5
If your DII you keep up with DII and P5
If your Ivy league your too good to keep up with anyone else.
Live in North Alabama and it primarily P5 with a little JSU. Some UAB but no SBC schools are ever mentioned. Bham news will have UAB and the other non UAT and Auburn schools get a small bit of news.
The big advantage of any level FBS is the betting line. Rarely does a FCS school get Vegas odds.
Best thing is to enjoy what you enjoy and dont worry a lot about others or their attention to your program.

The statement I put in bold is flat out wrong. CUSA keeps up very much with the American with a decent amount of knowledge about the programs since it is essentially the original CUSA in membership. Not to mention the rivalries that exist between the institutions of both leagues. Especially, but not limited to Memphis' rivalries with Southern Miss, and to a lesser extent, UAB. Tulane and Southern Miss. Similarly with ECU and Marshall. It's fun to opine on here, but that's just a terribly inaccurate statement you provided.

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(09-16-2020 11:59 PM)Goronic Wrote:  App State was in the FCS just a few years ago. When we were in the Southern Conference I kept up with the FCS conferences, rankings, etc. I also kept one eye on the G5 and enjoyed P5 like everyone else.

After being in the FBS I don't have a clue who is good in FCS - or rankings - at ALL. No idea. I don't even know who won the SoCon last year or the year before...

I can see why App State wasn't all that visible to the G5 - let alone the P5. Do you guys that moved up recently have the same feeling? Do you keep up with the FCS at all?

I don't...and we just got to the FBS. I would think if you have been the FBS for a long time - or a P5 school - you wouldn't give 2 ***** about the FCS or what they are doing.

No idea. We never moved anywhere.

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(09-18-2020 07:03 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Believe you will find most folks could only tell you about P5 schools.
If your a SBC fan you will keep up with the conference you consider rivals and P5.
If your a AAC fan you keep up with P5
If your CUSA you keep up with AAC and P5 with very little AAC knowledge
If your FCS you keep up with FCS and P5
If your DII you keep up with DII and P5
If your Ivy league your too good to keep up with anyone else.
Live in North Alabama and it primarily P5 with a little JSU. Some UAB but no SBC schools are ever mentioned. Bham news will have UAB and the other non UAT and Auburn schools get a small bit of news.
The big advantage of any level FBS is the betting line. Rarely does a FCS school get Vegas odds.
Best thing is to enjoy what you enjoy and dont worry a lot about others or their attention to your program.

You'll see some AAMU AND UNA as well. Unfortunately we see very little Troy but we do see some jax state. In HSV, jax state sponsors one or more sport's segments on the news channels. Only reason Troy had a commercial on a local channel is because Hawkins agreed to do it for a Troy alumni.

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(09-18-2020 09:53 AM)slycat Wrote:  To be fair G5s are invisible to P5 fans. I still get a lot of blank stares when I talked SBC football. It doesn't help that the main footprint is no where near Texas. I was in Lafayette for work and a guy was wearing a UL shirt. He said he goes to some games but didn't seem to care when I brought up TXST. Most of the time talking CFB is like talking to a wall when it is not a P5 team.

Iowa State, Kansas, and Kansas State fans have some visibility into G5 trust me . . . did you not watch what J Adams just did on Fox to those P5 clowns? He destroyed them.

(09-19-2020 03:44 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:53 AM)slycat Wrote:  To be fair G5s are invisible to P5 fans. I still get a lot of blank stares when I talked SBC football. It doesn't help that the main footprint is no where near Texas. I was in Lafayette for work and a guy was wearing a UL shirt. He said he goes to some games but didn't seem to care when I brought up TXST. Most of the time talking CFB is like talking to a wall when it is not a P5 team.

Iowa State, Kansas, and Kansas State fans have some visibility into G5 trust me . . . did you not watch what J Adams just did on Fox to those P5 clowns? He destroyed them.

And a week from now no one will remember it happened.

(09-19-2020 04:17 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 03:44 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:53 AM)slycat Wrote:  To be fair G5s are invisible to P5 fans. I still get a lot of blank stares when I talked SBC football. It doesn't help that the main footprint is no where near Texas. I was in Lafayette for work and a guy was wearing a UL shirt. He said he goes to some games but didn't seem to care when I brought up TXST. Most of the time talking CFB is like talking to a wall when it is not a P5 team.

Iowa State, Kansas, and Kansas State fans have some visibility into G5 trust me . . . did you not watch what J Adams just did on Fox to those P5 clowns? He destroyed them.

And a week from now no one will remember it happened.

Lol. You think in a week Kansas fans will forget their 2 straight years of getting their asses kicked at home by us?

Somehow I doubt there is enough alcohol in the state of Kansas for all of them to forget that quickly.

FCS is still awesome and I still try to keep up with it. I’ll always say great things about the division. And given I was at App for all of our I-AA natty’s, I also attended all those exciting playoff games. Some of the most enjoyable football experiences of my life.


I have nothing bad to say, I’m glad we left though. As someone else in here already said, we and GSU had done all we could do there. It didn’t take a genius to look around at our competitors and realized that there were suddenly a lot more Samfords and a lot less Marshalls.

(09-17-2020 07:02 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:42 PM)PAAcocahesAssociation Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:32 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  We're chattering about FCS while our new conference is the toast of the G5. Funny how that works. Aaand we've recently cut the ribbon on a shiny new football stadium with two new solid basketball arenas on the to do list. This is fun!

I know y'all have had discussions about replacing your gym, but I'm curious who else in the league is planning on building a new venue?

Me me me...

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So while driving in my car, listened go the main sports radio guys in Atlanta talking about BIG10 coming back

"So who are the biggest losers of this?"
"AAC programs like Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF probably lost their chances to make the playoff"

They go on some length about some AAC teams that doesnt have anything to do with ATL. Briefly mentions Ga St having a season opener today (because no other reason than being a local game I'm guessing,) then skips to some NFL news.

Me patiently waiting through the segment: uhhh hello? SBC has multiple ranked teams as well?

So yeah theres a fair point about G5 (probably except AAC) being largely invisible.
But still better than completely invisible in FCS.

I hadn't put it together until just now that Louisiana and Arkansas State are the only two schools who have played football AND been football members of the Sun Belt since the football league's debut in 2001. USA was full time for all but football, and ULM was football only, but only the former two were full time and football.

And I already knew that only Louisiana never spent time in FCS/1-AA.

(09-19-2020 11:05 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  So while driving in my car, listened go the main sports radio guys in Atlanta talking about BIG10 coming back

"So who are the biggest losers of this?"
"AAC programs like Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF probably lost their chances to make the playoff"

They go on some length about some AAC teams that doesnt have anything to do with ATL. Briefly mentions Ga St having a season opener today (because no other reason than being a local game I'm guessing,) then skips to some NFL news.

Me patiently waiting through the segment: uhhh hello? SBC has multiple ranked teams as well?

So yeah theres a fair point about G5 (probably except AAC) being largely invisible.
But still better than completely invisible in FCS.

Do you ever listen to Willy P on 92.9? I used to work with him.

(09-19-2020 11:05 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  So while driving in my car, listened go the main sports radio guys in Atlanta talking about BIG10 coming back

"So who are the biggest losers of this?"
"AAC programs like Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF probably lost their chances to make the playoff"

They go on some length about some AAC teams that doesnt have anything to do with ATL. Briefly mentions Ga St having a season opener today (because no other reason than being a local game I'm guessing,) then skips to some NFL news.

Me patiently waiting through the segment: uhhh hello? SBC has multiple ranked teams as well?

So yeah theres a fair point about G5 (probably except AAC) being largely invisible.
But still better than completely invisible in FCS.

92.9?

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(09-19-2020 11:05 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  So while driving in my car, listened go the main sports radio guys in Atlanta talking about BIG10 coming back

"So who are the biggest losers of this?"
"AAC programs like Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF probably lost their chances to make the playoff"

They go on some length about some AAC teams that doesnt have anything to do with ATL. Briefly mentions Ga St having a season opener today (because no other reason than being a local game I'm guessing,) then skips to some NFL news.

Me patiently waiting through the segment: uhhh hello? SBC has multiple ranked teams as well?

So yeah theres a fair point about G5 (probably except AAC) being largely invisible.
But still better than completely invisible in FCS.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I bet if Ga. State rattled off a 9-3 or better type of season, or won a conference championship, especially several seasons like that, the buzz in Atlanta about Ga. State football would pick up dramatically. App State FB is never the lead story in Charlotte/Raleigh/Greensboro, but discussion is made somewhat regularly on the radio stations. Coach interviews, etc. I doubt seriously that would be the case if Appalachian was struggling. Not that Ga. State "struggles" every year, but high clip winning would make a big difference.

In other words, there is some visibility for G5 teams as long as they are winning a lot.

(09-17-2020 09:02 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 08:28 AM)Tealblood Wrote:  CCU didn’t start football to go FBS

If the big south had grown without Liberty- everybody knew they were eventually going up

Or if we had gotten a chance to join SOCON or CAA we would still be FCS

The handwriting was on the wall we weren’t SOCON high falutin enough and didn’t fit what CAA was after

The moving forces behind GS and Ap leaving SOCON were the same people who helped CCU to get where we are now

GaSt was also not tabbed for FBS when they started their program. They were originally designed to be FCS, but very quickly realignment happened, and they were given an invitation. They were an original member of the SBC from the 70’s, I’m sure that had something to do with it. Originally they were a terrible add to the conference in football, but I will eat crow on that one, they have developed faster then my school did. Now, 10 years later, they are a good add to the Belt.

South started football with the plan to be FBS and continue full membership is the SBC. We never had plans to hold at any level other then FBS.

This is a super discussion thread. Among the mass of great items, I am cherry picking this one. A lot of repurcussions for the choices that conferences' expansion choices yield.

CAA
Per residing for many years in the ODU/W&M area, I loved their tournament in Richmond when they retained ODU, VCU, and George Mason. But years before they were deeply damaged by those departure, they lost American, East Carolina, and Richmond in one gulp in the early 2000's.

From the backfill, they had their eye on eventually confiscating the Atlantic 10's 1-AA football league. They already had JMU and William & Mary. But instead of going south with Appalachian State, Coastal, GA Southern, they went north with Delaware (fine choice), Towson (iffy, but OK) and the disastrous (in my opinion) duo of Hofstra (football) and Drexel (non-football).

Long time commissioner Tom Yeager was then flustered when JMU and Delaware won national titles --- but under the A-10 banner. So they expanded to Boston (another mistake to me) with Northeastern because they had 1-AA football and that wrested control from the A-10. GA State then added it with auto membership resulting.

It has BURNED them now that both Hofstra and Northeastern have dropped football --- and those schools now have a voting alliance with Drexel to block two much better Eastern choices in Albany and Stony Brook with still football-only memberships. They should have invited Coastal along with College of Charleston 20 years ago -- if nothing else because UNC Wilmington was stranded for a while from the rest.

SoCon
Even BIGGER head scratching to that they did not aggressively pursue Coastal when they added UNCG and others. They apparently want to be absorbed with private schools without flight risk? And as someone else noted, Kennesaw State would be a fine choice --- for the OVC too in my view. They have a nice hoops arena as well.

Big South
I give them props for their subsequent choices however. Breaking the mold with HBCU invitations to Hampton and NC A&T, along with Kennesaw and North Alabama, they are proactively fighting for football relevance despite the totem pole advantages that the CAA and SoCon have over them.

PS
Since an old man of college days in the 80's, Eastern Kentucky was THE program in the OVC. And I think a top five program overall in 1-AA (when CCU did not have a program). Fast forward a quarter century, and when the SBC was more/less publicly considering EKU and CCU, looking at it side-by-side and it was an EASY choice to then select the Chants.

(09-19-2020 05:20 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 04:17 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 03:44 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:53 AM)slycat Wrote:  To be fair G5s are invisible to P5 fans. I still get a lot of blank stares when I talked SBC football. It doesn't help that the main footprint is no where near Texas. I was in Lafayette for work and a guy was wearing a UL shirt. He said he goes to some games but didn't seem to care when I brought up TXST. Most of the time talking CFB is like talking to a wall when it is not a P5 team.

Iowa State, Kansas, and Kansas State fans have some visibility into G5 trust me . . . did you not watch what J Adams just did on Fox to those P5 clowns? He destroyed them.

And a week from now no one will remember it happened.

Lol. You think in a week Kansas fans will forget their 2 straight years of getting their asses kicked at home by us?

Somehow I doubt there is enough alcohol in the state of Kansas for all of them to forget that quickly.

In a week they will be talking about the upcoming basketball season.