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RE: The FCS is invisible
(09-19-2020 12:05 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-19-2020 11:05 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  So while driving in my car, listened go the main sports radio guys in Atlanta talking about BIG10 coming back

"So who are the biggest losers of this?"
"AAC programs like Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF probably lost their chances to make the playoff"

They go on some length about some AAC teams that doesnt have anything to do with ATL. Briefly mentions Ga St having a season opener today (because no other reason than being a local game I'm guessing,) then skips to some NFL news.

Me patiently waiting through the segment: uhhh hello? SBC has multiple ranked teams as well?

So yeah theres a fair point about G5 (probably except AAC) being largely invisible.
But still better than completely invisible in FCS.[/b]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I bet if Ga. State rattled off a 9-3 or better type of season, or won a conference championship, especially several seasons like that, the buzz in Atlanta about Ga. State football would pick up dramatically. App State FB is never the lead story in Charlotte/Raleigh/Greensboro, but discussion is made somewhat regularly on the radio stations. Coach interviews, etc. I doubt seriously that would be the case if Appalachian was struggling. Not that Ga. State "struggles" every year, but high clip winning would make a big difference.

In other words, there is some visibility for G5 teams as long as they are winning a lot.
Part of it in Atlanta is who we play. The T-shirt fan in Atlanta sees little difference between Appalachian State and Jacksonville State. More games on TV by the G5 will show folks that there is good football being played at the mid major level. Of course that is not good news for the Wake Forests and Indianas of the world. I for one don't think reaching the level of P5s is the definition of success. There is a place in between where we are now and say where UGA is that I can define as success. If our OOC schedule is regional G5s and home and homes with regional P5s and if we are wining 8-12 games a year and have respectable attendance and shots at a respectable bowl or even a NY6 bowl I can live with that even though that is well short of being Georgia.

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(09-17-2020 12:40 PM)T2003 Wrote:  How did ULM and Arkansas State manage moving up to 1A so much earlier than Troy and even Marshall? I don’t know anything about this period of CFB so really curious.

ULM only moved up a year before Marshall in 1996. Marshall played in Fairfield stadium (17,500) until 1991. When Marshall started to look at IA in 1993 it was looking for the right fit. In 1994 CUSA was starting to form as a conference and Marshall applied and had the votes as a full member. Denny Crum (Louisville MBB coach) started bellyaching and got UAB and Memphis to vote NO. They were then offered a Football only. Marshall couldn't secure a place for olympic spots and accepted an offer from the MAC.
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RE: The FCS is invisible
(09-21-2020 09:05 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-19-2020 12:05 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-19-2020 11:05 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  So while driving in my car, listened go the main sports radio guys in Atlanta talking about BIG10 coming back

"So who are the biggest losers of this?"
"AAC programs like Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF probably lost their chances to make the playoff"

They go on some length about some AAC teams that doesnt have anything to do with ATL. Briefly mentions Ga St having a season opener today (because no other reason than being a local game I'm guessing,) then skips to some NFL news.

Me patiently waiting through the segment: uhhh hello? SBC has multiple ranked teams as well?

So yeah theres a fair point about G5 (probably except AAC) being largely invisible.
But still better than completely invisible in FCS.[/b]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I bet if Ga. State rattled off a 9-3 or better type of season, or won a conference championship, especially several seasons like that, the buzz in Atlanta about Ga. State football would pick up dramatically. App State FB is never the lead story in Charlotte/Raleigh/Greensboro, but discussion is made somewhat regularly on the radio stations. Coach interviews, etc. I doubt seriously that would be the case if Appalachian was struggling. Not that Ga. State "struggles" every year, but high clip winning would make a big difference.

In other words, there is some visibility for G5 teams as long as they are winning a lot.
Part of it in Atlanta is who we play. The T-shirt fan in Atlanta sees little difference between Appalachian State and Jacksonville State. More games on TV by the G5 will show folks that there is good football being played at the mid major level. Of course that is not good news for the Wake Forests and Indianas of the world. I for one don't think reaching the level of P5s is the definition of success. There is a place in between where we are now and say where UGA is that I can define as success. If our OOC schedule is regional G5s and home and homes with regional P5s and if we are wining 8-12 games a year and have respectable attendance and shots at a respectable bowl or even a NY6 bowl I can live with that even though that is well short of being Georgia.

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North Carolina had no equivalent to UGA as far as football power goes, so I'll take the liberty of lumping the state of South Carolina as part of "the Carolinas" so I can include Clemson as an "in state" powerhouse football program...

The goal for App State is not to be Clemson. That's just never going to happen. The goal is to be a Boise State circa 2006-2010 program right here in the Carolinas.

In other words, I see exactly what you're saying. Georgia State should strive for that, too.

As for your comment about Jacksonville State vs. App State comparison of how they're viewed in Atlanta, I'll take your word for it. That is disappointing. It just goes to show that App State, as well as it has done the past several years, still has a way to go to get where it wants to go. I can't imagine people in Atlanta not knowing who Boise State is; they beat UGA in the old Dome a decadeish ago.
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(09-21-2020 09:23 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-21-2020 09:05 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-19-2020 12:05 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-19-2020 11:05 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  So while driving in my car, listened go the main sports radio guys in Atlanta talking about BIG10 coming back

"So who are the biggest losers of this?"
"AAC programs like Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF probably lost their chances to make the playoff"

They go on some length about some AAC teams that doesnt have anything to do with ATL. Briefly mentions Ga St having a season opener today (because no other reason than being a local game I'm guessing,) then skips to some NFL news.

Me patiently waiting through the segment: uhhh hello? SBC has multiple ranked teams as well?

So yeah theres a fair point about G5 (probably except AAC) being largely invisible.
But still better than completely invisible in FCS.[/b]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I bet if Ga. State rattled off a 9-3 or better type of season, or won a conference championship, especially several seasons like that, the buzz in Atlanta about Ga. State football would pick up dramatically. App State FB is never the lead story in Charlotte/Raleigh/Greensboro, but discussion is made somewhat regularly on the radio stations. Coach interviews, etc. I doubt seriously that would be the case if Appalachian was struggling. Not that Ga. State "struggles" every year, but high clip winning would make a big difference.

In other words, there is some visibility for G5 teams as long as they are winning a lot.
Part of it in Atlanta is who we play. The T-shirt fan in Atlanta sees little difference between Appalachian State and Jacksonville State. More games on TV by the G5 will show folks that there is good football being played at the mid major level. Of course that is not good news for the Wake Forests and Indianas of the world. I for one don't think reaching the level of P5s is the definition of success. There is a place in between where we are now and say where UGA is that I can define as success. If our OOC schedule is regional G5s and home and homes with regional P5s and if we are wining 8-12 games a year and have respectable attendance and shots at a respectable bowl or even a NY6 bowl I can live with that even though that is well short of being Georgia.

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North Carolina had no equivalent to UGA as far as football power goes, so I'll take the liberty of lumping the state of South Carolina as part of "the Carolinas" so I can include Clemson as an "in state" powerhouse football program...

The goal for App State is not to be Clemson. That's just never going to happen. The goal is to be a Boise State circa 2006-2010 program right here in the Carolinas.

In other words, I see exactly what you're saying. Georgia State should strive for that, too.

As for your comment about Jacksonville State vs. App State comparison of how they're viewed in Atlanta, I'll take your word for it. That is disappointing. It just goes to show that App State, as well as it has done the past several years, still has a way to go to get where it wants to go. I can't imagine people in Atlanta not knowing who Boise State is; they beat UGA in the old Dome a decadeish ago.
While trying not to be rude I have just stared at a number of coworkers (SEC and ACC grads and fans) over the years who have reffered to a G5 or FCS school as Division II. Yes, disappointing.

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Post: #105
RE: The FCS is invisible
(09-21-2020 09:23 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-21-2020 09:05 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-19-2020 12:05 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-19-2020 11:05 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  So while driving in my car, listened go the main sports radio guys in Atlanta talking about BIG10 coming back

"So who are the biggest losers of this?"
"AAC programs like Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF probably lost their chances to make the playoff"

They go on some length about some AAC teams that doesnt have anything to do with ATL. Briefly mentions Ga St having a season opener today (because no other reason than being a local game I'm guessing,) then skips to some NFL news.

Me patiently waiting through the segment: uhhh hello? SBC has multiple ranked teams as well?

So yeah theres a fair point about G5 (probably except AAC) being largely invisible.
But still better than completely invisible in FCS.[/b]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I bet if Ga. State rattled off a 9-3 or better type of season, or won a conference championship, especially several seasons like that, the buzz in Atlanta about Ga. State football would pick up dramatically. App State FB is never the lead story in Charlotte/Raleigh/Greensboro, but discussion is made somewhat regularly on the radio stations. Coach interviews, etc. I doubt seriously that would be the case if Appalachian was struggling. Not that Ga. State "struggles" every year, but high clip winning would make a big difference.

In other words, there is some visibility for G5 teams as long as they are winning a lot.
Part of it in Atlanta is who we play. The T-shirt fan in Atlanta sees little difference between Appalachian State and Jacksonville State. More games on TV by the G5 will show folks that there is good football being played at the mid major level. Of course that is not good news for the Wake Forests and Indianas of the world. I for one don't think reaching the level of P5s is the definition of success. There is a place in between where we are now and say where UGA is that I can define as success. If our OOC schedule is regional G5s and home and homes with regional P5s and if we are wining 8-12 games a year and have respectable attendance and shots at a respectable bowl or even a NY6 bowl I can live with that even though that is well short of being Georgia.

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North Carolina had no equivalent to UGA as far as football power goes, so I'll take the liberty of lumping the state of South Carolina as part of "the Carolinas" so I can include Clemson as an "in state" powerhouse football program...

The goal for App State is not to be Clemson. That's just never going to happen. The goal is to be a Boise State circa 2006-2010 program right here in the Carolinas.

In other words, I see exactly what you're saying. Georgia State should strive for that, too.

As for your comment about Jacksonville State vs. App State comparison of how they're viewed in Atlanta, I'll take your word for it. That is disappointing. It just goes to show that App State, as well as it has done the past several years, still has a way to go to get where it wants to go. I can't imagine people in Atlanta not knowing who Boise State is; they beat UGA in the old Dome a decadeish ago.

If it makes you feel any better most CFB fans here in Texas know who App State is. Most have no clue who Jacksonville State is and would assume it's in Florida.
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(09-22-2020 09:46 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(09-21-2020 09:23 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-21-2020 09:05 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-19-2020 12:05 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-19-2020 11:05 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  So while driving in my car, listened go the main sports radio guys in Atlanta talking about BIG10 coming back

"So who are the biggest losers of this?"
"AAC programs like Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF probably lost their chances to make the playoff"

They go on some length about some AAC teams that doesnt have anything to do with ATL. Briefly mentions Ga St having a season opener today (because no other reason than being a local game I'm guessing,) then skips to some NFL news.

Me patiently waiting through the segment: uhhh hello? SBC has multiple ranked teams as well?

So yeah theres a fair point about G5 (probably except AAC) being largely invisible.
But still better than completely invisible in FCS.[/b]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I bet if Ga. State rattled off a 9-3 or better type of season, or won a conference championship, especially several seasons like that, the buzz in Atlanta about Ga. State football would pick up dramatically. App State FB is never the lead story in Charlotte/Raleigh/Greensboro, but discussion is made somewhat regularly on the radio stations. Coach interviews, etc. I doubt seriously that would be the case if Appalachian was struggling. Not that Ga. State "struggles" every year, but high clip winning would make a big difference.

In other words, there is some visibility for G5 teams as long as they are winning a lot.
Part of it in Atlanta is who we play. The T-shirt fan in Atlanta sees little difference between Appalachian State and Jacksonville State. More games on TV by the G5 will show folks that there is good football being played at the mid major level. Of course that is not good news for the Wake Forests and Indianas of the world. I for one don't think reaching the level of P5s is the definition of success. There is a place in between where we are now and say where UGA is that I can define as success. If our OOC schedule is regional G5s and home and homes with regional P5s and if we are wining 8-12 games a year and have respectable attendance and shots at a respectable bowl or even a NY6 bowl I can live with that even though that is well short of being Georgia.

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North Carolina had no equivalent to UGA as far as football power goes, so I'll take the liberty of lumping the state of South Carolina as part of "the Carolinas" so I can include Clemson as an "in state" powerhouse football program...

The goal for App State is not to be Clemson. That's just never going to happen. The goal is to be a Boise State circa 2006-2010 program right here in the Carolinas.

In other words, I see exactly what you're saying. Georgia State should strive for that, too.

As for your comment about Jacksonville State vs. App State comparison of how they're viewed in Atlanta, I'll take your word for it. That is disappointing. It just goes to show that App State, as well as it has done the past several years, still has a way to go to get where it wants to go. I can't imagine people in Atlanta not knowing who Boise State is; they beat UGA in the old Dome a decadeish ago.

If it makes you feel any better most CFB fans here in Texas know who App State is. Most have no clue who Jacksonville State is and would assume it's in Florida.


I've heard of them....but they aren't in Florida? Not even joking right now.
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(09-22-2020 10:17 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(09-22-2020 09:46 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(09-21-2020 09:23 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-21-2020 09:05 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-19-2020 12:05 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Please don't take this the wrong way, but I bet if Ga. State rattled off a 9-3 or better type of season, or won a conference championship, especially several seasons like that, the buzz in Atlanta about Ga. State football would pick up dramatically. App State FB is never the lead story in Charlotte/Raleigh/Greensboro, but discussion is made somewhat regularly on the radio stations. Coach interviews, etc. I doubt seriously that would be the case if Appalachian was struggling. Not that Ga. State "struggles" every year, but high clip winning would make a big difference.

In other words, there is some visibility for G5 teams as long as they are winning a lot.
Part of it in Atlanta is who we play. The T-shirt fan in Atlanta sees little difference between Appalachian State and Jacksonville State. More games on TV by the G5 will show folks that there is good football being played at the mid major level. Of course that is not good news for the Wake Forests and Indianas of the world. I for one don't think reaching the level of P5s is the definition of success. There is a place in between where we are now and say where UGA is that I can define as success. If our OOC schedule is regional G5s and home and homes with regional P5s and if we are wining 8-12 games a year and have respectable attendance and shots at a respectable bowl or even a NY6 bowl I can live with that even though that is well short of being Georgia.

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North Carolina had no equivalent to UGA as far as football power goes, so I'll take the liberty of lumping the state of South Carolina as part of "the Carolinas" so I can include Clemson as an "in state" powerhouse football program...

The goal for App State is not to be Clemson. That's just never going to happen. The goal is to be a Boise State circa 2006-2010 program right here in the Carolinas.

In other words, I see exactly what you're saying. Georgia State should strive for that, too.

As for your comment about Jacksonville State vs. App State comparison of how they're viewed in Atlanta, I'll take your word for it. That is disappointing. It just goes to show that App State, as well as it has done the past several years, still has a way to go to get where it wants to go. I can't imagine people in Atlanta not knowing who Boise State is; they beat UGA in the old Dome a decadeish ago.

If it makes you feel any better most CFB fans here in Texas know who App State is. Most have no clue who Jacksonville State is and would assume it's in Florida.


I've heard of them....but they aren't in Florida? Not even joking right now.

Jacksonville State is in Jacksonville, Alabama, east of Birmingham. Jacksonville University is located in Jacksonville, FL.
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Football outside of the Power 5 is invisible by and large outside of a few outliers here and there. I live in Atlanta and didn't know that Georgia State was playing on Saturday until I ran across them on TV. There's virtually no Georgia State talk in the city outside of for a few days last year after beating Tennessee.
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During football season if Marshall isn't playing then I look for a CUSA or G5 game, I haven't watched a P5/P5 game since 2007. If nothing good is on then I will look for a IAA or DII game, there is usually at least one on somewhere. As far as following a conference or a school, no. Its basically NDSU and the little people anyway.

I read AnyGivenSaturday and the JMU board for the same reason. To see just how delusional they actually are.
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(09-23-2020 01:43 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  Football outside of the Power 5 is invisible by and large outside of a few outliers here and there. I live in Atlanta and didn't know that Georgia State was playing on Saturday until I ran across them on TV. There's virtually no Georgia State talk in the city outside of for a few days last year after beating Tennessee.
We have no AJC beat reporter or section on their portal any more. We don't have a radio contract anymore. When we were with 92.9 they grudgingly would interview our coach in the most condescending way for 5 minutes and then get back to NFL news. 680 isn't much better. All Dawgs all the time. The only thing that changes that for a city school is consistent winning. That and home games against regional schools people have heard about locally. Big cities are tough especially when even G5 grads want to root for SEC and ACC schools.

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