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RE: CAA to use Atlantic Bank Arena & Convo as “Bubble” for Basketball?
(09-17-2020 09:48 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Can someone give me a cliff notes version of how the Bubble would work?

I understand a group of schools playing at one city.

But will they play a whole season or a bunch of their games during a short period of time?

Would it be something like 16 schools coming to play their season at Harrisonburg during a one month period of time?

I've read a few articles, but have not read anything on how it would actually work.

You’re asking the right questions, but nothing I’ve read provides any insight.

The DNR article referenced 3 gyms (The Bank and I assume the practice gym as 2 playing sites, and then the Convo for #3). If only conference games were to be played, and those conference games were played out in a modified tournament format, how many games could be played each day using each gym? And then providing reasonable rest distributed across the teams, how many days would it take to complete the conference schedule?

I’m sure that outline has already been generated. Then comes the question of does the CAA play a real tournament to determine the lone NCAAT Rep? Or does the “regular season” bubble winner get tagged as the NCAAT CAA team?
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RE: CAA to use Atlantic Bank Arena & Convo as “Bubble” for Basketball?
(09-17-2020 09:43 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 09:04 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  And online learning at home for @3000 on-campus students is not viable for one of many valid reasons.

So all the CAA men's and women's bball teams should be co-located with all these students. That seems quite irresponsible for JMU Campus, Harrisonburg, as well as the local environments from where all these student-athletes originate from.

Gee, seems like we need some clarifications.

Aside from your previously stated frustrations with the way that professors are, in practice, handling their content for online learning (which obviously is not a measure of institutional viability), please enlighten us as to the "many valid reasons" why online learning is "not viable." As someone who works for a successful online-only academic institution of higher learning, you have my curiosity piqued.

Unless you think using IMG Academy or Disney World as bubbles is irresponsible (which have both reported zero positive cases for players once in the bubble), and I can't fathom why you would given their stark success, I don't understand what point about irresponsibility you could possibly be making if JMU were to replicate the concept. Much like the Lakers coming from LA and the Celtics coming from Boston, where they originate from is categorically irrelevant if there's zero spread. Obvious caveat being that I'm only in favor of, specifically, a full 'bubble' as opposed to whatever other 'partial bubble' or 'regional' nonsense is being floated.

Well in the current climate:
1. Health related concerns of those living back home in the same house.
2. Food insecurity at home residence.
3. Lack of broadband internet access for those many students from rural areas.

Online at JMU on-campus obviously overcomes these issues. Also since you work for an online only institution that is your business and your niche. Obviously you should be experts in the delivery and what works/doesn't work. I don't think your normal educational institutions would be at the level of say University of Phoenix in 6 months while they are learning how to do it.

As for being irresponsible I do say that with some level of exageration. But that was one of the main factors for the state of operations currently for JMU.....the impact to the local community. If that is such a major concern then JMU should act like it in all decisions and the ability to play college basketball should be far down the list of things that are important. My opinion is merely, if you can figure out how to make sports work after getting back to the primary mission and the education that students & parents are paying for then go for it.
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RE: CAA to use Atlantic Bank Arena & Convo as “Bubble” for Basketball?
(09-17-2020 10:40 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 09:48 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Can someone give me a cliff notes version of how the Bubble would work?

I understand a group of schools playing at one city.

But will they play a whole season or a bunch of their games during a short period of time?

Would it be something like 16 schools coming to play their season at Harrisonburg during a one month period of time?

I've read a few articles, but have not read anything on how it would actually work.

You’re asking the right questions, but nothing I’ve read provides any insight.

The DNR article referenced 3 gyms (The Bank and I assume the practice gym as 2 playing sites, and then the Convo for #3). If only conference games were to be played, and those conference games were played out in a modified tournament format, how many games could be played each day using each gym? And then providing reasonable rest distributed across the teams, how many days would it take to complete the conference schedule?

I’m sure that outline has already been generated. Then comes the question of does the CAA play a real tournament to determine the lone NCAAT Rep? Or does the “regular season” bubble winner get tagged as the NCAAT CAA team?

Exactly some of the correct questions to ponder and none of these details have been made public as of yet.

I think cost also has to be a major factor......it ain't like the CAA has some major TV deal like the ACC or BIG10 to generate revenue.
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(09-17-2020 10:50 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Well in the current climate:
1. Health related concerns of those living back home in the same house.
2. Food insecurity at home residence.
3. Lack of broadband internet access for those many students from rural areas.

As neither of us can support nor refute these points with examples due to likely FERPA issues, my challenging of these as valid concerns is largely irrelevant.

(09-17-2020 10:50 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  My opinion is merely, if you can figure out how to make sports work after getting back to the primary mission and the education that students & parents are paying for then go for it.

Aha. Instead of feigning interest in the academic experience and the health and safety of the students and community at large, you probably should've led with your actual complaint to begin with. Angry JMU parent is angry.
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(09-17-2020 11:01 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 10:50 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Well in the current climate:
1. Health related concerns of those living back home in the same house.
2. Food insecurity at home residence.
3. Lack of broadband internet access for those many students from rural areas.

As neither of us can support nor refute these points with examples due to likely FERPA issues, my challenging of these as valid concerns is largely irrelevant.

(09-17-2020 10:50 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  My opinion is merely, if you can figure out how to make sports work after getting back to the primary mission and the education that students & parents are paying for then go for it.

Aha. Instead of feigning interest in the academic experience and the health and safety of the students and community at large, you probably should've led with your actual complaint to begin with. Angry JMU parent is angry.

Ummmmm, I think it is possible to be both......they do not have to be mutually exclusive.

So the question really is.......does it make sense for JMU as an institution of higher learning with a mission statement that says --- 'We are a community committed to preparing students to be educated and enlightened citizens who lead productive and meaningful lives.' To be concerned at all about an on campus college basketball bubble until the actual mission of the institution can be fully met.

My opinion is hard no for JMU and every college across this nation. If you cannot be open for business to serve the primary educational mission then all the extra-curriculars need to wait.
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Perhaps a more cynical read of your comments might be "If I'm going to be forced to pay traditional brick-and-mortar college tuition prices, they better get my student back on campus before sports is discussed." While there's some merit to this position, let's not pretend like you're primarily concerned about the entire student body becoming educated and enlightened citizens who lead productive and meaningful lives. You want what you paid for.
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(09-17-2020 11:28 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Ummmmm, I think it is possible to be both......they do not have to be mutually exclusive.

So the question really is.......does it make sense for JMU as an institution of higher learning with a mission statement that says --- 'We are a community committed to preparing students to be educated and enlightened citizens who lead productive and meaningful lives.' To be concerned at all about an on campus college basketball bubble until the actual mission of the institution can be fully met.

My opinion is hard no for JMU and every college across this nation. If you cannot be open for business to serve the primary educational mission then all the extra-curriculars need to wait.

In that case, was your comment from yesterday agreeing that JMU football should return this fall intended as sarcasm? Or did I misinterpret? (Serious question, not trying to be a dick)
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(09-17-2020 12:07 PM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 11:28 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Ummmmm, I think it is possible to be both......they do not have to be mutually exclusive.

So the question really is.......does it make sense for JMU as an institution of higher learning with a mission statement that says --- 'We are a community committed to preparing students to be educated and enlightened citizens who lead productive and meaningful lives.' To be concerned at all about an on campus college basketball bubble until the actual mission of the institution can be fully met.

My opinion is hard no for JMU and every college across this nation. If you cannot be open for business to serve the primary educational mission then all the extra-curriculars need to wait.

In that case, was your comment from yesterday agreeing that JMU football should return this fall intended as sarcasm? Or did I misinterpret? (Serious question, not trying to be a dick)

Sarcasm to a degree.

But genuine if JMU can get back to business.
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wait... if NCAA moves FCS championship to Spring (likely), doesn't that completely remove our chance of Fall football?
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(09-17-2020 11:53 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  Perhaps a more cynical read of your comments might be "If I'm going to be forced to pay traditional brick-and-mortar college tuition prices, they better get my student back on campus before sports is discussed." While there's some merit to this position, let's not pretend like you're primarily concerned about the entire student body becoming educated and enlightened citizens who lead productive and meaningful lives. You want what you paid for.

Ummmmm.....let's no pretend that you know how I think or that you even know me for that matter. You are making some rather gigantic leaps here.

Once again you can be in intersecting circles of:
- Yes I want what is being paid for
- Have concern for the entire student body, faculty, and Harrisonburg Community.
- Want JMU to stick to a course of action

As you can clearly see.....playing basketball in some sorta bubble is not even a concern at this point. And to be frank I could care less, if they cannot have actual fans in attendance ehhhh....who cares....MLB/NBA/NFL/CFB just look like intrasquad scrimmages and have zero JUICE with no fans present.
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ShadyP: very keen to let you know how much he's concerned for the education and enlightened citizenship of our young adults at JMU
Also ShadyP: who cares about student athletes if strangers aren't allowed to watch them complete
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(09-17-2020 01:07 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  ShadyP: very keen to let you know how much he's concerned for the education and enlightened citizenship of our young adults at JMU
Also ShadyP: who cares about student athletes if strangers aren't allowed to watch them complete

ShadyP is also very keep to point out that you are sort of an A$$ who expects anyone to change their opinion when you voice your opinion.

Give it a rest......i don't share your opinion and I a cool with that......i don't care if you don't share my opinion but gave my rationale and reasoning without the need to belittle you for your opinion.

I guess this is one of those things that gets lost in the world of online education.....how to actually relate to and converse with others. I get why you are like you are, b/c it is sorta like posting an asynchronous lecture or youtube and calling that education.
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To steal from David Grace, "by devolving into name-calling you’ve revealed the bankruptcy of your position. Thanks for making my point for me."

To be very clear, I expect to change no opinions. I point out the inconsistent/illogical/self-serving nature of others' stated viewpoints. Like, for instance, yours.
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(09-17-2020 02:24 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  To steal from David Grace, "by devolving into name-calling you’ve revealed the bankruptcy of your position. Thanks for making my point for me."

To be very clear, I expect to change no opinions. I point out the inconsistent/illogical/self-serving nature of others' stated viewpoints. Like, for instance, yours.

right, smh
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Didn't read everything word for word here, but just wanted to point out that campus is no closed and dormitories are not either. I have heard it described as de-densified. Some folks went home/elsewhere, while others remain on campus. Point is, CAA teams aren't coming in to take up residency in a campus building to stay in a bubble because JMU doesnt have empty buildings for that.
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(09-17-2020 08:06 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 03:49 PM)Top Dawg Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 03:01 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:58 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:40 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  By the time basketball season starts the access to cheap rapid testing is going to be very good which is one of the reasons why the Big Ten is playing. If you were to do the bubble you would bring teams in ahead of time and put them in hotels. You would test everyone to ensure you are clean and then you would play like a tournament where maybe you get in 4 games each over a 5 day period. You would then do the same thing either in the same place or a different area a few weeks later. This would allow you less travel and the ability to get the same amount of games in in a more controlled environment.

As long as they have access to rapid testing (which should not be an issue of cost as basketball teams are small) this can easily work.

JMU is the perfect place, since the students aren't around, you can house all the teams in the dorms!04-cheers

LOL.......parents and students are heated now.......if JMU even floated that idea it would be toxic. But hey they might......they were so tone deaf as to launch a giving week right after tuition was due and sending students home......so it is within the realm of possibilities when it comes to Alger.
I’m certainly not happy with the way the administration handled everything. However, the giving week wasn’t primarily targeting parents of current students and the launch was a few days before the decision to send students home.

OK maybe/maybe not......but i find it very odd that the social media posting and promotion of this ill-time/tone deaf giving basically became silent. They realized it was a bad idea and awful timing. I have yet to see any posting or publications to money raised. I guess it is out there if I really look....but typically JMU is beating me over the head with information about it.

Maybe/maybe not what? Are you upset because the administration was "tone deaf" and launched a giving campaign while then subsequently asking students to leave campus? You haven't seen any publications or postings of money raised because they stopped the campaign when they made the decision to clear campus. That seems like the right thing to do. Would you prefer them to continue on with the campaign after telling students to clear off of campus? I'm not sure if they plan on re-launching the giving week at a later time or if they are now going to let it go for 2020 and try to pick it up in 2021.
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The August/September 2020 giving week campaign planning began in March after the annual Giving Day, which raised over $1 Million toward scholarships in 2019, was "cancelled" in March 2020 due to the Coronavirus financial uncertainty. The intention was to rally the JMU support base around the time when students were returning to campus for classes. Coincidentally, the virus didn't go away and there was a sudden uptick in cases during the same week that the campaign week kicked off. It was simply an unfortunate storm of events - JMU Advancement didn't wake up on August 31st and decide to ask for money. They had been planning it for months. Clearly in the middle of the week the University dialed back the push for donations... something we all know JMU still needs, has needed, and will continue to need much larger support for. Despite abysmal timing, it looks like about $370K was raised (givingday.jmu.edu).
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Still some talk about JMU hosting a bubble for CAA games. Also am interesting nugget today that JMU was paying UVA $20k for the Nov 19th game. Interesting that they contracted to pay UVA even though there was an away game(s) already contracted.

Still waiting to hear good news from JMU announcing a new home date for UVA after the new Nov 25 start date. Or better yet, Bourne pulls a power move and not only gets UVA rescheduled at home this year, but also gets an away game at UVA this year. Why not? No travel cost, in state interest, take advantage of the earlier games that UVA opponents couldn’t reschedule. Power move. Hehehehe
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