*EDIT* ....or if ANY Big 10 schools, like if Minnesota, went undefeated? *EDIT*

Let's imagine we have an undefeated AAC champ. UCF, Memphis, Cincy, SMU, whomever.

Imagine the 4th spot at the CFP table comes down to a Big 10 champ vs. the AAC? At what point will the Big 10 champ be picked over them for the CFP?

If OSU or PSU goes 9-0, including the Big 10 CG, do they get in over a 12-0 UCF team? If they go 8-1? If they have a couple of games cancelled and end up going, say, 6-0 do they get in over UCF?

We are going to learn alot about this question when they rank these teams on Oct. 24th after their first games, when our conference has possibly a couple of undefeated teams and OSU has 1 win against, say, Rutgers.

Yes, I'm sure an undefeated B10 champ would go over an undefeated AAC champ. Bias would make sure it happened.

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(09-16-2020 12:48 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  Let's imagine we have an undefeated AAC champ. UCF, Memphis, Cincy, SMU, whomever.

Imagine the 4th spot at the CFP table comes down to a Big 10 champ vs. the AAC? At what point will the Big 10 champ be picked over them for the CFP?

If OSU or PSU goes 9-0, including the Big 10 CG, do they get in over a 12-0 UCF team? If they go 8-1? If they have a couple of games cancelled and end up going, say, 6-0 do they get in over UCF?

We are going to learn alot about this question when they rank these teams on Oct. 24th after their first games, when our conference has possibly a couple of undefeated teams and OSU has 1 win against, say, Rutgers.

Yes OSU gets into the playoffs over a 12 or 13 and 0 AAC Champ - pecking order stays the same:

Top four spots - P5, P5, P5, P5.
At large spots - P5, 1 G5 spot for the best of AAC, CUSA, or the Sun Belt. The MWC and the MAC have dropped out.

Nothing will change for any G5 Conference - politics will stay the same. JMO.

Absolutely...that's why they're coming back.

yes..easiest answer possible

ohio state was a bad example, they are coming in with legendary hype...they could play 1 game and still get the invite

the question would have been better if a random big 10 teams upsets the ohio state...would the aac champ get in over the an iowa like champ (anyone not ohio st and michigan..maybe penn state)

If they beat a P5 opponent and that P5 opponent wins their conference, then they might get in over a 2 loss B1G team.

Other than that, no

(09-16-2020 01:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  yes..easiest answer possible

ohio state was a bad example, they are coming in with legendary hype...they could play 1 game and still get the invite

the question would have been better if a random big 10 teams upsets the ohio state...would the aac champ get in over the an iowa like champ (anyone not ohio st and michigan..maybe penn state)

Fair point.

Has been edited to reflect that.

(09-16-2020 01:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  yes..easiest answer possible

ohio state was a bad example, they are coming in with legendary hype...they could play 1 game and still get the invite

the question would have been better if a random big 10 teams upsets the ohio state...would the aac champ get in over the an iowa like champ (anyone not ohio st and michigan..maybe penn state)

This. Indiana or Purdue not so much. OSU in the hunt AAC team would have to beat Alabama and maybe Clemson to get a shot.

If they are able to play all their games, go undefeated then sure. However, they are having limited games and may only have 1 challenging game on each schedule and the rest against the lower tier of the conference. Also, one or two game cancellations and you are potentially at a 6 game season. That would be absurd........

My guess would be that we would have a hard time getting an undefeated team in against a 2-loss P5 champ. And that 2-loss champ would have to be Minnesota or Mississippi State, not Ohio State.

The P5 gets a huge handicap in the voting, and the super hyped ones really have to play their way out to not make it.

(09-16-2020 02:24 PM)otown Wrote:  If they are able to play all their games, go undefeated then sure. However, they are having limited games and may only have 1 challenging game on each schedule and the rest against the lower tier of the conference. Also, one or two game cancellations and you are potentially at a 6 game season. That would be absurd........

Absurd..yeah. But my conspiracy theory is that the Big East demise was quickened by UC a few seconds away from sneaking in the BCS championship. The blue bloods, TV partners etc would hate that a team like UC would make it.

While UC was a good team that year, they would not have probably put up much of a fight against Alabama and provided a lousy match up and ratings.

They will do what they can to keep an AAC team out of the 4.

(09-16-2020 02:31 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  My guess would be that we would have a hard time getting an undefeated team in against a 2-loss P5 champ. And that 2-loss champ would have to be Minnesota or Mississippi State, not Ohio State.

The P5 gets a huge handicap in the voting, and the super hyped ones really have to play their way out to not make it.

I agree with this, for the most part.

2 Loss Ohio State / Michigan / Penn State / Wisconsin makes it over an undefeated AAC team

1 Loss Minnesota / Nebraska makes it over an undefeated AAC team

(09-16-2020 12:48 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  *EDIT* ....or if ANY Big 10 schools, like if Minnesota, went undefeated? *EDIT*

Let's imagine we have an undefeated AAC champ. UCF, Memphis, Cincy, SMU, whomever.

Imagine the 4th spot at the CFP table comes down to a Big 10 champ vs. the AAC? At what point will the Big 10 champ be picked over them for the CFP?

If OSU or PSU goes 9-0, including the Big 10 CG, do they get in over a 12-0 UCF team? If they go 8-1? If they have a couple of games cancelled and end up going, say, 6-0 do they get in over UCF?

We are going to learn alot about this question when they rank these teams on Oct. 24th after their first games, when our conference has possibly a couple of undefeated teams and OSU has 1 win against, say, Rutgers.

YES! They are "The OSU" as long as they don't have a loss, I believe they have to play a minimum of 8 games to qualify for post season.

will the b10 have no off weeks, no way to postpone games

how many forfeits will occur during the b10 season ?

An 11-0 Tulsa team will have wins over:

Ranked Oklahoma State (and B12 champ)
Ranked UCF
Ranked Cincy
Ranked SMU
Houston (who beat Baylor)
Arkansas State (beat KState & Sunbelt Champ)
and Ranked Memphis in CCG.

If Ohio State is undefeated, they get in.
If they lose 1 but win CCG they get in
If they lose 1 but no CCG, Tulsa gets in
If they lose 2, Tulsa gets in.

CFP will be two SEC teams, a Big10 team and a Big12 team irrespective of what happens with the AAC. An undefeated AAC team will never participate in the CFP.

The AAC along with other group of five teams ceiling is at large major non CFP bowls. These conference agreed to this structure in exchange for CFP revenue.

(09-16-2020 02:13 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 01:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  yes..easiest answer possible

ohio state was a bad example, they are coming in with legendary hype...they could play 1 game and still get the invite

the question would have been better if a random big 10 teams upsets the ohio state...would the aac champ get in over the an iowa like champ (anyone not ohio st and michigan..maybe penn state)

This. Indiana or Purdue not so much. OSU in the hunt AAC team would have to beat Alabama and maybe Clemson to get a shot.

And the Kansas City Chiefs. That's how absurd it all is.

Yes those entitled will get in no matter what. The system is setup for them not us.

(09-16-2020 05:05 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 02:31 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  My guess would be that we would have a hard time getting an undefeated team in against a 2-loss P5 champ. And that 2-loss champ would have to be Minnesota or Mississippi State, not Ohio State.

The P5 gets a huge handicap in the voting, and the super hyped ones really have to play their way out to not make it.

I agree with this, for the most part.

2 Loss Ohio State / Michigan / Penn State / Wisconsin makes it over an undefeated AAC team

1 Loss Minnesota / Nebraska makes it over an undefeated AAC team

If you are talking 8 games, a 2 loss or 1 loss team may only have wins against Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland etc. All the SOS metrics would have to be thrown out the window.

(09-16-2020 08:04 PM)otown Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 05:05 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 02:31 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  My guess would be that we would have a hard time getting an undefeated team in against a 2-loss P5 champ. And that 2-loss champ would have to be Minnesota or Mississippi State, not Ohio State.

The P5 gets a huge handicap in the voting, and the super hyped ones really have to play their way out to not make it.

I agree with this, for the most part.

2 Loss Ohio State / Michigan / Penn State / Wisconsin makes it over an undefeated AAC team

1 Loss Minnesota / Nebraska makes it over an undefeated AAC team

If you are talking 8 games, a 2 loss or 1 loss team may only have wins against Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland etc. All the SOS metrics would have to be thrown out the window.

I agree. Taking the two teams I root for (Ohio State alum, born Cincy fan) below for example, I don't think there is any room whatsoever for a 2 loss Ohio State over an undefeated Cincinnati team. It wouldn't even make sense TBH. Like you said all the metrics would be horrible for a 2 loss team with 8 game schedule. A 1 loss Ohio State team would be a good argument most likely.

Who knows though. There is still a lot of P5 vs G5 bias when it comes to the playoff it seems (not saying any team should have ever made it, but the media doesn't even seem to entertain a G5 team being worthy of a playoff spot arguement)

1) #13 Cincinnati
-10 total regular season games
-3 ranked teams on schedule not including conference championship
-@#14 UCF, #16 Memphis, #22 Army

2) #2ish Ohio State
-8 total regular season games
-Likely to have 3 ranked teams on schedule not including conference championship
-@#7ish Penn State, #16ish Michigan, #23ish Iowa (My guess of what schedule will include)