Just get rid of the CCG and play 9 games. Exempt students from finals and schedule some makeup exams post Jan 1st for 2nd place or lower teams that don't make the playoff. There should also be opt out for RU, MD, Illinois, Minn and whomever else wants to sit, but not unless that puts the league below 9-10 teams in play. At least have player opt out without penalty.
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(09-16-2020 10:52 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: So, 8 game schedule and CFP access. This stinker worked out roses for the B1G after all.
Quote:Could the Big Ten be ready in time for the College Football Playoff?
With a late October start date, the Big Ten can still finish its season and crown a champion in time to be considered for a semifinal spot, but it has to be approved by the playoff's management committee. All 10 of the FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick would determine whether the Big Ten can rejoin the CFP. ACC commissioner John Swofford, SEC commissioner Greg Sankey and Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby will carry the most weight in the room, as they will have navigated their leagues through longer schedules. It would be difficult for them to say no, but they also probably won't be thrilled with the Big Ten playing a shortened season.
Every school playing 9 games is the plan. It's a championship weekend when it's East vs. West. 1st vs. 1st, 2nd vs. 2nd etc...
That's what the Big Ten is planning on after 8 game regular season. ALL TEAMS play 9.
(09-16-2020 11:14 AM)ken d Wrote: Will the league go to a divisionless schedule like the ACC? And if so, will they try to make sure all the usual contenders play each other to legitimize their champ in the eyes of the CFP in light of the shorter season compared with the other P5s?
No, they aren’t, which creates a number of issues. According to Barry Alvarez, after the completion of 8 games the top team in the East will face the top team in the West the weekend of 12/19, and teams 2-7 in each division will likewise play one another. What isn’t clear to me is how they will determine the two “regular season” cross division games. For example, when they were going to play a 10 game season tOSU would have faced Illinois, Purdue, Nebraska and Iowa, while Michigan got a tougher slate with Wisconsin, Purdue, Northwestern and Minnesota; Penn State was set to avoid Wisconsin, Purdue and Minnesota. I assume they aren’t going to use division-only records to decide who makes the 12/19 pseudo-championship game, which makes the two cross-division games even more important and potentially inequitable. Moreover, even if the CFB votes to allow the B1G to be eligible this year (of course they will), I don’t think it is a given that a 9-0 Buckeye team with regular season wins over say, Purdue and Illinois, and a “CCG” win over, say, Wisconsin, would be a lock for playoff bid. For example, what if there is an 11-1 Notre Dame team whose only loss comes in an ACC title game rematch of a regular season contest they won against a one-loss Clemson (or vice-versa)? Or a 10-1 Georgia who loses the SEC CG after beating Bama in the regular season (or vice-versa)? Or even, say, a 9-1 Auburn who has beaten an SEC East Champ UGA, or a 9-1 LSU who has beaten an East Champ UF, but who doesn’t win the SEC West because of single regular season loss to an 11-0, #1 ranked SEC Champ Bama? I know the CFB committee has loose criteria but playing 2-3 fewer games will be a strong argument against just inserting whoever wins the B1G into the 4th CFB slot. To have a shot at getting in the CFB, whoever wins the B1G is going to have to go undefeated, hope the other division winner enters the ninth game/“CCG” highly ranked and 8-0, and get lucky so that the ND-Clemson and/or Bama-UGA rematch scenarios don’t occur, all while avoiding the impact of the 21 day quarantine for infected players and the minimum 7 day suspension of competition if the team’s total positive rate exceeds 5%. That will be quite a gauntlet to run.
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(09-16-2020 08:39 AM)orangefan Wrote: No details on how many games, but an October 24 start would allow an 8 game season with no bye weeks, and a CCG on December 19. That's cutting things very close.
They are now saying an 8-game schedule followed by the B1G title game.
Leaves no room for error in terms of canceled or postponed games. A very tight window.
What was that Johnny Mathis song, "Too Much, Too Little, Too Late, to Ever Try Again".
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Well, the B1G does have little-publicized cross-division permanent opponents that might come into play, but even then, picking the 8th game could be interesting.
Feels like BIG wanted to say, " see we tried, now get off our backs", but they know its slim chance they are going to be able to complete a season with the rules that come along with this return to play.
We're all going to owe Kevin Warren an apology when this much criticized cancellation/un-cancellation is revealed to have been a brilliant long con to get undefeated 2020 B1G Champ #9WINDIANA into the CFB.
Any timeline for a schedule to be put together? There is no room for error. One or two cancelled games and you are at 6 games. There has to be a minimum amount of games to be played to be considered for the CFP. Also, if the B1G wants to insulate OSU and Wisconsin etc, they better give them quality games in the conference because they are potentially going to have a very small sample size if the season is cut to 6 or 7 games. Having 6 or 7 games playing against the likes of Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland etc is not going to cut it without a body of work to follow.
(09-16-2020 01:07 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: So, the CFP likely ends up being a winners only competition among the P4 champs?
Yes, the P4: the SEC, ACC, Big 10, and Sun Belt...
LA-Lafayette over Iowa St
Coastal Carolina over Kansas
Ark St. over K State
Perhaps a bad joke. Texas/OK going undefeated still get in, I think, but the non-con losses do make it harder if they have a loss, especially since the SEC isn't playing any non-con for comparison.
(09-16-2020 01:03 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote: Well, the B1G does have little-publicized cross-division permanent opponents that might come into play, but even then, picking the 8th game could be interesting.
I had never even noticed those "permanent crossovers" until you mentioned them other than the obvious Indiana-Purdue.
I'll certainly enjoy seeing Illinois and Penn State play each other 2022-27.
I don't know how "random" the matchups were chosen when Ohio State and Wisconsin and Michigan and Nebraska got each other although Rutgers and Iowa and Penn State and Illinois feel random. Ohio State and Wisconsin should be the most obvious pairing.
(09-16-2020 11:14 AM)ken d Wrote: Will the league go to a divisionless schedule like the ACC? And if so, will they try to make sure all the usual contenders play each other to legitimize their champ in the eyes of the CFP in light of the shorter season compared with the other P5s?
No, they aren’t, which creates a number of issues. According to Barry Alvarez, after the completion of 8 games the top team in the East will face the top team in the West the weekend of 12/19, and teams 2-7 in each division will likewise play one another. What isn’t clear to me is how they will determine the two “regular season” cross division games. For example, when they were going to play a 10 game season tOSU would have faced Illinois, Purdue, Nebraska and Iowa, while Michigan got a tougher slate with Wisconsin, Purdue, Northwestern and Minnesota; Penn State was set to avoid Wisconsin, Purdue and Minnesota. I assume they aren’t going to use division-only records to decide who makes the 12/19 pseudo-championship game, which makes the two cross-division games even more important and potentially inequitable. Moreover, even if the CFB votes to allow the B1G to be eligible this year (of course they will), I don’t think it is a given that a 9-0 Buckeye team with regular season wins over say, Purdue and Illinois, and a “CCG” win over, say, Wisconsin, would be a lock for playoff bid. For example, what if there is an 11-1 Notre Dame team whose only loss comes in an ACC title game rematch of a regular season contest they won against a one-loss Clemson (or vice-versa)? Or a 10-1 Georgia who loses the SEC CG after beating Bama in the regular season (or vice-versa)? Or even, say, a 9-1 Auburn who has beaten an SEC East Champ UGA, or a 9-1 LSU who has beaten an East Champ UF, but who doesn’t win the SEC West because of single regular season loss to an 11-0, #1 ranked SEC Champ Bama? I know the CFB committee has loose criteria but playing 2-3 fewer games will be a strong argument against just inserting whoever wins the B1G into the 4th CFB slot. To have a shot at getting in the CFB, whoever wins the B1G is going to have to go undefeated, hope the other division winner enters the ninth game/“CCG” highly ranked and 8-0, and get lucky so that the ND-Clemson and/or Bama-UGA rematch scenarios don’t occur, all while avoiding the impact of the 21 day quarantine for infected players and the minimum 7 day suspension of competition if the team’s total positive rate exceeds 5%. That will be quite a gauntlet to run.
Undefeated B1G is 100% in. While the SEC Is normally given “benefit of doubt”, it doesn’t hold up because of the OOC schedule being negated. You don’t have those measuring stick games early in the year, or inter conference rivalry games. It has to be P4 champs only of records are equal. Two or three loss champs and we can look at one loss runner ups depending on depth of the conference.
(09-16-2020 12:12 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote: I don’t think it is a given that a 9-0 Buckeye team with regular season wins over say, Purdue and Illinois, and a “CCG” win over, say, Wisconsin, would be a lock for playoff bid.
Ohio State is going to start the year no lower than #3 in the polls. If they go 9-0, they will surely make the playoffs no matter what their B1G schedule looks like. I mean, 100% likely.
(09-16-2020 12:12 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote: I don’t think it is a given that a 9-0 Buckeye team with regular season wins over say, Purdue and Illinois, and a “CCG” win over, say, Wisconsin, would be a lock for playoff bid.
Ohio State is going to start the year no lower than #3 in the polls. If they go 9-0, they will surely make the playoffs no matter what their B1G schedule looks like. I mean, 100% likely.
But where would the body of work be? All the SOS metrics that pundits as well as you yourself talk about would be thrown out the window in that case. The B1G better schedule some good matchups for their top teams to make the case. Elevating OSU just because of their name goes against everything, usually they have a legit body of work to highlight.
(09-16-2020 12:12 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote: I don’t think it is a given that a 9-0 Buckeye team with regular season wins over say, Purdue and Illinois, and a “CCG” win over, say, Wisconsin, would be a lock for playoff bid.
Ohio State is going to start the year no lower than #3 in the polls. If they go 9-0, they will surely make the playoffs no matter what their B1G schedule looks like. I mean, 100% likely.
But where would the body of work be? All the SOS metrics that pundits as well as you yourself talk about would be thrown out the window in that case. The B1G better schedule some good matchups for their top teams to make the case. Elevating OSU just because of their name goes against everything, usually they have a legit body of work to highlight.
With little P5 OOC crossover, SOS metrics and computers will be of little use. This year's CFP is going to be determined by reputation and eyeballs only. There's just no other way to do it.
(09-16-2020 12:12 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote: I don’t think it is a given that a 9-0 Buckeye team with regular season wins over say, Purdue and Illinois, and a “CCG” win over, say, Wisconsin, would be a lock for playoff bid.
Ohio State is going to start the year no lower than #3 in the polls. If they go 9-0, they will surely make the playoffs no matter what their B1G schedule looks like. I mean, 100% likely.
But where would the body of work be? All the SOS metrics that pundits as well as you yourself talk about would be thrown out the window in that case. The B1G better schedule some good matchups for their top teams to make the case. Elevating OSU just because of their name goes against everything, usually they have a legit body of work to highlight.
With little P5 OOC crossover, SOS metrics and computers will be of little use. This year's CFP is going to be determined by reputation and eyeballs only. There's just no other way to do it.
One would hope a little common sense would prevail on the committee....... but I guess that is wishful thinking. If one is undefeated or one loss against a schedule consisting of Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Minnesota, etc...... the eyeball test of that schedule should prevail. You don't need a computer to know that it is piss poor.
With that being said, I do not think the B1G leadership would be that stupid and they will give challenging schedules to their top teams.
The only wrench is if covid cancels the top games and OSU or Wisconsin is left with a schedule worse than a sunbelt team while at the same time, playing half the games as them.
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