(09-17-2020 06:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:15 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Taking an apparent Steve Bannon acolyte at face value is problematic.

But you will blindly and eagerly lap up anything from any source that is negative toward Trump and post it here. You continue to be a hypocrite of the highest degree.

Nope, just calling you out for the liar and hypocrite you are.

(09-17-2020 06:40 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:15 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Taking an apparent Steve Bannon acolyte at face value is problematic.

But you will blindly and eagerly lap up anything from any source that is negative toward Trump and post it here. You continue to be a hypocrite of the highest degree.

Nope, just calling you out for the liar and hypocrite you are.

(09-17-2020 06:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:40 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:15 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Taking an apparent Steve Bannon acolyte at face value is problematic.

But you will blindly and eagerly lap up anything from any source that is negative toward Trump and post it here. You continue to be a hypocrite of the highest degree.

Nope, just calling you out for the liar and hypocrite you are.

Well, you can't lie when you're just posting emoticons, so it's a definite improvement.

(09-17-2020 06:15 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Taking an apparent Steve Bannon acolyte at face value is problematic.

But you will blindly and eagerly lap up anything from any source that is negative toward Trump and post it here. You continue to be a hypocrite of the highest degree.

It seems like these leftist posters are on China's payroll. I assumed it was the DNC.

Or is that one and the same now?

(09-17-2020 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:15 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Taking an apparent Steve Bannon acolyte at face value is problematic.

But you will blindly and eagerly lap up anything from any source that is negative toward Trump and post it here. You continue to be a hypocrite of the highest degree.

It seems like these leftist posters are on China's payroll. I assumed it was the DNC.

Or is that one and the same now?

Lame take. China totally screwed up the initial outbreak of this by not being honest by what they knew...the WHO was also at fault in the beginning.

But that in no way PROVES this was done on purpose no matter how much you kick and scream.

(09-17-2020 09:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:15 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Taking an apparent Steve Bannon acolyte at face value is problematic.

But you will blindly and eagerly lap up anything from any source that is negative toward Trump and post it here. You continue to be a hypocrite of the highest degree.

It seems like these leftist posters are on China's payroll. I assumed it was the DNC.

Or is that one and the same now?

Lame take. China totally screwed up the initial outbreak of this by not being honest by what they knew...the WHO was also at fault in the beginning.

But that in no way PROVES this was done on purpose no matter how much you kick and scream.

I also doesn't disprove anything. I mean, you admit above China totally screwed up (ie lied) about the initial outbreak. What makes you think they aren't lying about everything else?

(09-16-2020 06:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 08:47 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Anyone who studied this with any honesty has known that it is a bio engineered virus. It has components of HIV and SARS. This has been common knowledge among the alternative media for months now. Nice to see the main stream catching up.

Well that PROVES it. Nevermind the scientists who say there's no way it could be engineered, as long as you can find a few who say it was manufactured, I guess....

Quote:The genetic makeup or "genome" of SARS-CoV-2 has been sequenced and publicly shared thousands of times by scientists all over the world. If the virus had been genetically engineered in a lab there would be signs of manipulation in the genome data.

This would include evidence of an existing viral sequence as the backbone for the new virus, and obvious, targeted inserted (or deleted) genetic elements.

But no such evidence exists. It is very unlikely that any techniques used to genetically engineer the virus would not leave a genetic signature, like specific identifiable pieces of DNA code.

The genome of SARS-CoV-2 is similar to that of other bat coronaviruses, as well as those of pangolins, all of which have a similar overall genomic architecture. Differences between the genomes of these coronaviruses show natural patterns typical of coronavirus evolution. This suggests that SARS-CoV-2 evolved from a previous wild coronavirus.

One of the key features that makes SARS-CoV-2 different from the other coronaviruses is a particular "spike" protein that binds well with another protein on the outside of human cells called ACE2. This enables the virus to hook into and infect a variety of human cells.

However, other related coronaviruses do have similar features, providing evidence that they have evolved naturally rather than being artificially added in a lab.

Here's How Scientists Know Coronavirus Wasn't Made in a Lab

Quote:"All evidence so far points to the fact the COVID-19 virus is naturally derived and not man-made," explains immunologist Nigel McMillan from the Menzies Health Institute Queensland.

"If you were going to design it in a lab the sequence changes make no sense as all previous evidence would tell you it would make the virus worse. No system exists in the lab to make some of the changes found."

Scientists Are Tired of Explaining Why The COVID-19 Virus Was Not Made in a Lab

So scientists have never been wrong with their predictions and statements before?

(09-17-2020 10:03 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 06:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 08:47 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Anyone who studied this with any honesty has known that it is a bio engineered virus. It has components of HIV and SARS. This has been common knowledge among the alternative media for months now. Nice to see the main stream catching up.

Well that PROVES it. Nevermind the scientists who say there's no way it could be engineered, as long as you can find a few who say it was manufactured, I guess....

Quote:The genetic makeup or "genome" of SARS-CoV-2 has been sequenced and publicly shared thousands of times by scientists all over the world. If the virus had been genetically engineered in a lab there would be signs of manipulation in the genome data.

This would include evidence of an existing viral sequence as the backbone for the new virus, and obvious, targeted inserted (or deleted) genetic elements.

But no such evidence exists. It is very unlikely that any techniques used to genetically engineer the virus would not leave a genetic signature, like specific identifiable pieces of DNA code.

The genome of SARS-CoV-2 is similar to that of other bat coronaviruses, as well as those of pangolins, all of which have a similar overall genomic architecture. Differences between the genomes of these coronaviruses show natural patterns typical of coronavirus evolution. This suggests that SARS-CoV-2 evolved from a previous wild coronavirus.

One of the key features that makes SARS-CoV-2 different from the other coronaviruses is a particular "spike" protein that binds well with another protein on the outside of human cells called ACE2. This enables the virus to hook into and infect a variety of human cells.

However, other related coronaviruses do have similar features, providing evidence that they have evolved naturally rather than being artificially added in a lab.

Here's How Scientists Know Coronavirus Wasn't Made in a Lab

Quote:"All evidence so far points to the fact the COVID-19 virus is naturally derived and not man-made," explains immunologist Nigel McMillan from the Menzies Health Institute Queensland.

"If you were going to design it in a lab the sequence changes make no sense as all previous evidence would tell you it would make the virus worse. No system exists in the lab to make some of the changes found."

Scientists Are Tired of Explaining Why The COVID-19 Virus Was Not Made in a Lab

So scientists have never been wrong with their predictions and statements before?

Not scientist that say what they want them to say. They can't be questioned. Science at is very core is to be questioned. That's the whole purpose of the scientific method. If it can't be questioned it's not science, it's a religion or cult or something else.

(09-17-2020 10:03 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 06:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 08:47 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Anyone who studied this with any honesty has known that it is a bio engineered virus. It has components of HIV and SARS. This has been common knowledge among the alternative media for months now. Nice to see the main stream catching up.

Well that PROVES it. Nevermind the scientists who say there's no way it could be engineered, as long as you can find a few who say it was manufactured, I guess....

Quote:The genetic makeup or "genome" of SARS-CoV-2 has been sequenced and publicly shared thousands of times by scientists all over the world. If the virus had been genetically engineered in a lab there would be signs of manipulation in the genome data.

This would include evidence of an existing viral sequence as the backbone for the new virus, and obvious, targeted inserted (or deleted) genetic elements.

But no such evidence exists. It is very unlikely that any techniques used to genetically engineer the virus would not leave a genetic signature, like specific identifiable pieces of DNA code.

The genome of SARS-CoV-2 is similar to that of other bat coronaviruses, as well as those of pangolins, all of which have a similar overall genomic architecture. Differences between the genomes of these coronaviruses show natural patterns typical of coronavirus evolution. This suggests that SARS-CoV-2 evolved from a previous wild coronavirus.

One of the key features that makes SARS-CoV-2 different from the other coronaviruses is a particular "spike" protein that binds well with another protein on the outside of human cells called ACE2. This enables the virus to hook into and infect a variety of human cells.

However, other related coronaviruses do have similar features, providing evidence that they have evolved naturally rather than being artificially added in a lab.

Here's How Scientists Know Coronavirus Wasn't Made in a Lab

Quote:"All evidence so far points to the fact the COVID-19 virus is naturally derived and not man-made," explains immunologist Nigel McMillan from the Menzies Health Institute Queensland.

"If you were going to design it in a lab the sequence changes make no sense as all previous evidence would tell you it would make the virus worse. No system exists in the lab to make some of the changes found."

Scientists Are Tired of Explaining Why The COVID-19 Virus Was Not Made in a Lab

So scientists have never been wrong with their predictions and statements before?

"Science" is the new left term that has been annoying me a lot. They instead should use "Biased Hypothesis" for many of the arguments they act are written in stone "Science". Some on the left need to take a look at the elementary scientific method. Something isn't science until it's indisputable.

There isn't indisputable evidence one way or another where this virus originated and won't be for awhile.

(09-17-2020 10:30 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 10:03 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 06:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 08:47 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Anyone who studied this with any honesty has known that it is a bio engineered virus. It has components of HIV and SARS. This has been common knowledge among the alternative media for months now. Nice to see the main stream catching up.

Well that PROVES it. Nevermind the scientists who say there's no way it could be engineered, as long as you can find a few who say it was manufactured, I guess....

Quote:The genetic makeup or "genome" of SARS-CoV-2 has been sequenced and publicly shared thousands of times by scientists all over the world. If the virus had been genetically engineered in a lab there would be signs of manipulation in the genome data.

This would include evidence of an existing viral sequence as the backbone for the new virus, and obvious, targeted inserted (or deleted) genetic elements.

But no such evidence exists. It is very unlikely that any techniques used to genetically engineer the virus would not leave a genetic signature, like specific identifiable pieces of DNA code.

The genome of SARS-CoV-2 is similar to that of other bat coronaviruses, as well as those of pangolins, all of which have a similar overall genomic architecture. Differences between the genomes of these coronaviruses show natural patterns typical of coronavirus evolution. This suggests that SARS-CoV-2 evolved from a previous wild coronavirus.

One of the key features that makes SARS-CoV-2 different from the other coronaviruses is a particular "spike" protein that binds well with another protein on the outside of human cells called ACE2. This enables the virus to hook into and infect a variety of human cells.

However, other related coronaviruses do have similar features, providing evidence that they have evolved naturally rather than being artificially added in a lab.

Here's How Scientists Know Coronavirus Wasn't Made in a Lab

Quote:"All evidence so far points to the fact the COVID-19 virus is naturally derived and not man-made," explains immunologist Nigel McMillan from the Menzies Health Institute Queensland.

"If you were going to design it in a lab the sequence changes make no sense as all previous evidence would tell you it would make the virus worse. No system exists in the lab to make some of the changes found."

Scientists Are Tired of Explaining Why The COVID-19 Virus Was Not Made in a Lab

So scientists have never been wrong with their predictions and statements before?

"Science" is the new left term that has been annoying me a lot. They instead should use "Biased Hypothesis" for many of the arguments they act are written in stone "Science". Some on the left need to take a look at the elementary scientific method. Something isn't science until it's indisputable.

There isn't indisputable evidence one way or another where this virus originated and won't be for awhile.

IMO, 95% of people that keep saying "because SCIENCE" have not clue what science is and how science works. Those folks are just parroting what the MSM is telling them.

(09-17-2020 10:00 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 09:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:15 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Taking an apparent Steve Bannon acolyte at face value is problematic.

But you will blindly and eagerly lap up anything from any source that is negative toward Trump and post it here. You continue to be a hypocrite of the highest degree.

It seems like these leftist posters are on China's payroll. I assumed it was the DNC.

Or is that one and the same now?

Lame take. China totally screwed up the initial outbreak of this by not being honest by what they knew...the WHO was also at fault in the beginning.

But that in no way PROVES this was done on purpose no matter how much you kick and scream.

I also doesn't disprove anything. I mean, you admit above China totally screwed up (ie lied) about the initial outbreak. What makes you think they aren't lying about everything else?

Oh, they are.

They LIE about everything. It’s just what they do, the CCP.

(09-17-2020 10:42 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 10:30 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 10:03 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 06:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 08:47 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Anyone who studied this with any honesty has known that it is a bio engineered virus. It has components of HIV and SARS. This has been common knowledge among the alternative media for months now. Nice to see the main stream catching up.

Well that PROVES it. Nevermind the scientists who say there's no way it could be engineered, as long as you can find a few who say it was manufactured, I guess....

Quote:The genetic makeup or "genome" of SARS-CoV-2 has been sequenced and publicly shared thousands of times by scientists all over the world. If the virus had been genetically engineered in a lab there would be signs of manipulation in the genome data.

This would include evidence of an existing viral sequence as the backbone for the new virus, and obvious, targeted inserted (or deleted) genetic elements.

But no such evidence exists. It is very unlikely that any techniques used to genetically engineer the virus would not leave a genetic signature, like specific identifiable pieces of DNA code.

The genome of SARS-CoV-2 is similar to that of other bat coronaviruses, as well as those of pangolins, all of which have a similar overall genomic architecture. Differences between the genomes of these coronaviruses show natural patterns typical of coronavirus evolution. This suggests that SARS-CoV-2 evolved from a previous wild coronavirus.

One of the key features that makes SARS-CoV-2 different from the other coronaviruses is a particular "spike" protein that binds well with another protein on the outside of human cells called ACE2. This enables the virus to hook into and infect a variety of human cells.

However, other related coronaviruses do have similar features, providing evidence that they have evolved naturally rather than being artificially added in a lab.

Here's How Scientists Know Coronavirus Wasn't Made in a Lab

Quote:"All evidence so far points to the fact the COVID-19 virus is naturally derived and not man-made," explains immunologist Nigel McMillan from the Menzies Health Institute Queensland.

"If you were going to design it in a lab the sequence changes make no sense as all previous evidence would tell you it would make the virus worse. No system exists in the lab to make some of the changes found."

Scientists Are Tired of Explaining Why The COVID-19 Virus Was Not Made in a Lab

So scientists have never been wrong with their predictions and statements before?

"Science" is the new left term that has been annoying me a lot. They instead should use "Biased Hypothesis" for many of the arguments they act are written in stone "Science". Some on the left need to take a look at the elementary scientific method. Something isn't science until it's indisputable.

There isn't indisputable evidence one way or another where this virus originated and won't be for awhile.

IMO, 95% of people that keep saying "because SCIENCE" have not clue what science is and how science works. Those folks are just parroting what the MSM is telling them.

Exactly. They are ignorant of science.

(09-17-2020 10:03 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 06:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 08:47 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Anyone who studied this with any honesty has known that it is a bio engineered virus. It has components of HIV and SARS. This has been common knowledge among the alternative media for months now. Nice to see the main stream catching up.

Well that PROVES it. Nevermind the scientists who say there's no way it could be engineered, as long as you can find a few who say it was manufactured, I guess....

Quote:The genetic makeup or "genome" of SARS-CoV-2 has been sequenced and publicly shared thousands of times by scientists all over the world. If the virus had been genetically engineered in a lab there would be signs of manipulation in the genome data.

This would include evidence of an existing viral sequence as the backbone for the new virus, and obvious, targeted inserted (or deleted) genetic elements.

But no such evidence exists. It is very unlikely that any techniques used to genetically engineer the virus would not leave a genetic signature, like specific identifiable pieces of DNA code.

The genome of SARS-CoV-2 is similar to that of other bat coronaviruses, as well as those of pangolins, all of which have a similar overall genomic architecture. Differences between the genomes of these coronaviruses show natural patterns typical of coronavirus evolution. This suggests that SARS-CoV-2 evolved from a previous wild coronavirus.

One of the key features that makes SARS-CoV-2 different from the other coronaviruses is a particular "spike" protein that binds well with another protein on the outside of human cells called ACE2. This enables the virus to hook into and infect a variety of human cells.

However, other related coronaviruses do have similar features, providing evidence that they have evolved naturally rather than being artificially added in a lab.

Here's How Scientists Know Coronavirus Wasn't Made in a Lab

Quote:"All evidence so far points to the fact the COVID-19 virus is naturally derived and not man-made," explains immunologist Nigel McMillan from the Menzies Health Institute Queensland.

"If you were going to design it in a lab the sequence changes make no sense as all previous evidence would tell you it would make the virus worse. No system exists in the lab to make some of the changes found."

Scientists Are Tired of Explaining Why The COVID-19 Virus Was Not Made in a Lab

So scientists have never been wrong with their predictions and statements before?

And this argument is not science.

""...If you were going to design it in a lab the sequence changes make no sense as all previous evidence would tell you it would make the virus worse. No system exists in the lab to make some of the changes found...."

Why would you assume those particular changes have to be manmade?

""...By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes," one of the researchers, Scripps Research immunologist Kristian Andersen, said at the time.

"Two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2....""

Again, why do you assume that a virus with these features wasn't found and then manipulated?

""...The closest known relative of SARS-CoV-2 is a bat virus named RaTG13, which was kept at the WIV. There is some unfounded speculation that this virus was the origin of SARS-CoV-2," explains University of Sydney evolutionary virologist, Edward Holmes.


"However, RaTG13 was sampled from a different province of China (Yunnan) to where COVID-19 first appeared and the level of genome sequence divergence between SARS-CoV-2 and RaTG13 is equivalent to an average of 50 years (and at least 20 years) of evolutionary change....""

They were researching bat viruses in Wuhan. Why would the province make any difference at all? And if its manipulated, it would have more evolutionary change. This is one of the weakest arguments.

"...she immediately did a thorough investigation at her department, finding no match between the viruses her lab had been working on, and COVID-19 patients.

"That really took a load off my mind," she told Scientific American. "I had not slept a wink for days....""

Why would anyone believe anything coming from China?

""...We have to be careful to not aid those irresponsibly using this global crisis for political point-scoring by giving any oxygen to these and other rumours.""

The most dangerous and non-scientific argument. Me doth think he protests too much.

Now I don't have a strong feeling as to whether it was manmade or not, but the more I read these "proofs" of it not being manmade, the more convinced I become that it was. They are just really sloppy explanations and have a clear bias towards stifling dissenting opinions.

(09-17-2020 10:00 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 09:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:15 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Taking an apparent Steve Bannon acolyte at face value is problematic.

But you will blindly and eagerly lap up anything from any source that is negative toward Trump and post it here. You continue to be a hypocrite of the highest degree.

It seems like these leftist posters are on China's payroll. I assumed it was the DNC.

Or is that one and the same now?

Lame take. China totally screwed up the initial outbreak of this by not being honest by what they knew...the WHO was also at fault in the beginning.

But that in no way PROVES this was done on purpose no matter how much you kick and scream.

I also doesn't disprove anything. I mean, you admit above China totally screwed up (ie lied) about the initial outbreak. What makes you think they aren't lying about everything else?

The answer is simple.

Trump dislikes China and holds them accountable. Therefore, the left must defend China, because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The left will never come close to admitting Trump is right on China.

(09-17-2020 09:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:15 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 06:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Taking an apparent Steve Bannon acolyte at face value is problematic.

But you will blindly and eagerly lap up anything from any source that is negative toward Trump and post it here. You continue to be a hypocrite of the highest degree.

It seems like these leftist posters are on China's payroll. I assumed it was the DNC.

Or is that one and the same now?

Lame take. China totally screwed up the initial outbreak of this by not being honest by what they knew...the WHO was also at fault in the beginning.

But that in no way PROVES this was done on purpose no matter how much you kick and scream.

Part of the problem with this source is the language barrier. Im not sure she is saying what she means. While I think there is plenty of evidence that the virus came from the lab--I seriously doubt they released it on purpose. I think its possible they were working with the virus to create something they might use on purpose (which may be what the scietist means)---but I dont think they were looking to purposely release this particular virus at this particular time. I think it got out on accident (assuming the lab is even the source).