(09-16-2020 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 06:29 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Since Im a strong believer in private property rights..I can have nothing negative to say about this. I sincerely hope it achieves the intended goal.

I agree in principle, but isn't this illegal? I can't buy 100 acres and subdivide or rent it out restricted to white people. We either have Jim Crow or not. I frankly don't care either way, but pick one and apply it consistently.

No. You absolutely cannot do that. Period. Anywhere.

(09-16-2020 12:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 06:29 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Since Im a strong believer in private property rights..I can have nothing negative to say about this. I sincerely hope it achieves the intended goal.

I agree in principle, but isn't this illegal? I can't buy 100 acres and subdivide or rent it out restricted to white people. We either have Jim Crow or not. I frankly don't care either way, but pick one and apply it consistently.

No. You absolutely cannot do that. Period. Anywhere.

Gentlemen, you miss the point. Whites sold them the land and will leave with the money. They'll start their experiment and all of that is legal. Can they and will they get away with it? Yes. I give you Tuskegee as an example. Whites will be free to sell and leave or to buy if there is land available in the area. Blacks with means will move in and the town will slowly grow into a majority black town. Then as someone pointed out above bad relatives, unmotivated children, and others will slowly turn the utopia into a massive mess, unless of course those who originally bought the property bring pressure upon them with police, courts, and laws.

Tuskegee started out as a white run small town with a fine HBC located there. As older whites died out their children moved away. What had been a fine college town culture eroded into city corruption and the lack of maintenance of basic city services and a new kind of lawlessness. The African Americans there now who care about the city are fighting hard to regain control and to gentrify it for upper middle class well educated black families. Montgomery needs such a bedroom community because West Montgomery is a cesspool and nobody who loves their children wants to be around it. The problem is it is hard to fight poverty and crime without higher taxes, good police, solid city government and laws that support development.

So if you want to know what will happen in Wilkinson County Georgia look to Tuskegee but they have the advantage of not having to overcome crime initially. They have a good chance and I wish them well. What they are discovering is the American Dream of whites in the 50's.

(09-16-2020 12:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 06:29 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Since Im a strong believer in private property rights..I can have nothing negative to say about this. I sincerely hope it achieves the intended goal.

I agree in principle, but isn't this illegal? I can't buy 100 acres and subdivide or rent it out restricted to white people. We either have Jim Crow or not. I frankly don't care either way, but pick one and apply it consistently.

No. You absolutely cannot do that. Period. Anywhere.

According to the leftist here and a certain VP running for POTUS it does happen, and it's called the suburbs

(09-16-2020 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I agree in principle, but isn't this illegal? I can't buy 100 acres and subdivide or rent it out restricted to white people. We either have Jim Crow or not. I frankly don't care either way, but pick one and apply it consistently.

You and your friends or family or religion can go buy property together and do whatever you want on it... I assume the land use is unrestricted.

the challenge comes when they or their ancestors want to borrow against the property to build, rebuild, start a business whatever. Eventually someone will want to sell... and at that point, things will get interesting.

(09-16-2020 01:45 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I agree in principle, but isn't this illegal? I can't buy 100 acres and subdivide or rent it out restricted to white people. We either have Jim Crow or not. I frankly don't care either way, but pick one and apply it consistently.

You and your friends or family or religion can go buy property together and do whatever you want on it... I assume the land use is unrestricted.

the challenge comes when they or their ancestors want to borrow against the property to build, rebuild, start a business whatever. Eventually someone will want to sell... and at that point, things will get interesting.

I cannot subdivide the land and sell it restricted to a race or religion nor may I rent it out with those restrictions. I suppose I could let anyone live there for free but once I have engaged in commerce I have violated the 14th Amendment in my interpretation.

(09-16-2020 06:58 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  They didn't buy a town nor a part of a town they bought rural acreage. There are no buildings and no utilities. Are there not small existing towns and hoods in the South that are majority black? Wake me up when they actually build something there. What a waste.

Yea, that's about 90 grand per family for dirt, trees and weeds, already. Now they're going to have to pay to develop that land, clear it, utilitize (sp) it, build on it. There's plenty of money in many black families, so that may not be an issue, but are they all required to build similarly? No 5000 ft McMansions next to the modest 3 bdroom 1750 footer?

Seems this is a bit of a cart before the horse type thing. Wish them luck.

I have 169 acres with my brother in VA that we’d sell for half that.


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I wish them well.

(09-16-2020 01:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 06:29 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Since Im a strong believer in private property rights..I can have nothing negative to say about this. I sincerely hope it achieves the intended goal.

I agree in principle, but isn't this illegal? I can't buy 100 acres and subdivide or rent it out restricted to white people. We either have Jim Crow or not. I frankly don't care either way, but pick one and apply it consistently.

No. You absolutely cannot do that. Period. Anywhere.

Gentlemen, you miss the point. Whites sold them the land and will leave with the money. They'll start their experiment and all of that is legal. Can they and will they get away with it? Yes. I give you Tuskegee as an example. Whites will be free to sell and leave or to buy if there is land available in the area. Blacks with means will move in and the town will slowly grow into a majority black town. Then as someone pointed out above bad relatives, unmotivated children, and others will slowly turn the utopia into a massive mess, unless of course those who originally bought the property bring pressure upon them with police, courts, and laws.

Tuskegee started out as a white run small town with a fine HBC located there. As older whites died out their children moved away. What had been a fine college town culture eroded into city corruption and the lack of maintenance of basic city services and a new kind of lawlessness. The African Americans there now who care about the city are fighting hard to regain control and to gentrify it for upper middle class well educated black families. Montgomery needs such a bedroom community because West Montgomery is a cesspool and nobody who loves their children wants to be around it. The problem is it is hard to fight poverty and crime without higher taxes, good police, solid city government and laws that support development.

So if you want to know what will happen in Wilkinson County Georgia look to Tuskegee but they have the advantage of not having to overcome crime initially. They have a good chance and I wish them well. What they are discovering is the American Dream of whites in the 50's.

Tuskegee. Where you need a 4 wheel drive on paved streets. It's like going back in time. Complete shitehole. Stole so much from walmart it closed. Was told the national park service had to take over school grounds and maintenance because they couldnt keep it up. 10s of millions down a rat hole. The stories I could tell about that hell hole.

(09-16-2020 03:15 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 01:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 06:29 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Since Im a strong believer in private property rights..I can have nothing negative to say about this. I sincerely hope it achieves the intended goal.

I agree in principle, but isn't this illegal? I can't buy 100 acres and subdivide or rent it out restricted to white people. We either have Jim Crow or not. I frankly don't care either way, but pick one and apply it consistently.

No. You absolutely cannot do that. Period. Anywhere.

Gentlemen, you miss the point. Whites sold them the land and will leave with the money. They'll start their experiment and all of that is legal. Can they and will they get away with it? Yes. I give you Tuskegee as an example. Whites will be free to sell and leave or to buy if there is land available in the area. Blacks with means will move in and the town will slowly grow into a majority black town. Then as someone pointed out above bad relatives, unmotivated children, and others will slowly turn the utopia into a massive mess, unless of course those who originally bought the property bring pressure upon them with police, courts, and laws.

Tuskegee started out as a white run small town with a fine HBC located there. As older whites died out their children moved away. What had been a fine college town culture eroded into city corruption and the lack of maintenance of basic city services and a new kind of lawlessness. The African Americans there now who care about the city are fighting hard to regain control and to gentrify it for upper middle class well educated black families. Montgomery needs such a bedroom community because West Montgomery is a cesspool and nobody who loves their children wants to be around it. The problem is it is hard to fight poverty and crime without higher taxes, good police, solid city government and laws that support development.

So if you want to know what will happen in Wilkinson County Georgia look to Tuskegee but they have the advantage of not having to overcome crime initially. They have a good chance and I wish them well. What they are discovering is the American Dream of whites in the 50's.

Tuskegee. Where you need a 4 wheel drive on paved streets. It's like going back in time. Complete shitehole. Stole so much from walmart it closed. Was told the national park service had to take over school grounds and maintenance because they couldnt keep it up. 10s of millions down a rat hole. The stories I could tell about that hell hole.

All true, except you left out the part where the realtors in Auburn overbuilt so the State government offered them stipends to take refugees from Tuskegee which has led to a spike in Auburn crime. But there is a new mayor there and they are attempting to revive the community.

What you described happened from the late 1970's through 2010 and your description while solid doesn't do the devastation justice. But it is what it is.

(09-16-2020 03:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 03:15 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 01:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I agree in principle, but isn't this illegal? I can't buy 100 acres and subdivide or rent it out restricted to white people. We either have Jim Crow or not. I frankly don't care either way, but pick one and apply it consistently.

No. You absolutely cannot do that. Period. Anywhere.

Gentlemen, you miss the point. Whites sold them the land and will leave with the money. They'll start their experiment and all of that is legal. Can they and will they get away with it? Yes. I give you Tuskegee as an example. Whites will be free to sell and leave or to buy if there is land available in the area. Blacks with means will move in and the town will slowly grow into a majority black town. Then as someone pointed out above bad relatives, unmotivated children, and others will slowly turn the utopia into a massive mess, unless of course those who originally bought the property bring pressure upon them with police, courts, and laws.

Tuskegee started out as a white run small town with a fine HBC located there. As older whites died out their children moved away. What had been a fine college town culture eroded into city corruption and the lack of maintenance of basic city services and a new kind of lawlessness. The African Americans there now who care about the city are fighting hard to regain control and to gentrify it for upper middle class well educated black families. Montgomery needs such a bedroom community because West Montgomery is a cesspool and nobody who loves their children wants to be around it. The problem is it is hard to fight poverty and crime without higher taxes, good police, solid city government and laws that support development.

So if you want to know what will happen in Wilkinson County Georgia look to Tuskegee but they have the advantage of not having to overcome crime initially. They have a good chance and I wish them well. What they are discovering is the American Dream of whites in the 50's.

Tuskegee. Where you need a 4 wheel drive on paved streets. It's like going back in time. Complete shitehole. Stole so much from walmart it closed. Was told the national park service had to take over school grounds and maintenance because they couldnt keep it up. 10s of millions down a rat hole. The stories I could tell about that hell hole.

All true, except you left out the part where the realtors in Auburn overbuilt so the State government offered them stipends to take refugees from Tuskegee which has led to a spike in Auburn crime. But there is a new mayor there and they are attempting to revive the community.

What you described happened from the late 1970's through 2010 and your description while solid doesn't do the devastation justice. But it is what it is.

Some of the history and antebellum homes in tuskeegee are beautiful....but dilapidated. It's sad. Honestly, Troy reminds me of Auburn 30 years ago.

Nothing lasts forever. Besides being a Disneyland for college kids they are turning Auburn into Buckhead south.

Oh well. Brave new world.

Oh. We traced the deeds back on our land to a creek Indian that sold it. So frick off anyone that says it was stolt by muh white man. Oh and frick of anyway. Lol

(09-16-2020 03:45 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 03:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 03:15 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 01:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  No. You absolutely cannot do that. Period. Anywhere.

Gentlemen, you miss the point. Whites sold them the land and will leave with the money. They'll start their experiment and all of that is legal. Can they and will they get away with it? Yes. I give you Tuskegee as an example. Whites will be free to sell and leave or to buy if there is land available in the area. Blacks with means will move in and the town will slowly grow into a majority black town. Then as someone pointed out above bad relatives, unmotivated children, and others will slowly turn the utopia into a massive mess, unless of course those who originally bought the property bring pressure upon them with police, courts, and laws.

Tuskegee started out as a white run small town with a fine HBC located there. As older whites died out their children moved away. What had been a fine college town culture eroded into city corruption and the lack of maintenance of basic city services and a new kind of lawlessness. The African Americans there now who care about the city are fighting hard to regain control and to gentrify it for upper middle class well educated black families. Montgomery needs such a bedroom community because West Montgomery is a cesspool and nobody who loves their children wants to be around it. The problem is it is hard to fight poverty and crime without higher taxes, good police, solid city government and laws that support development.

So if you want to know what will happen in Wilkinson County Georgia look to Tuskegee but they have the advantage of not having to overcome crime initially. They have a good chance and I wish them well. What they are discovering is the American Dream of whites in the 50's.

Tuskegee. Where you need a 4 wheel drive on paved streets. It's like going back in time. Complete shitehole. Stole so much from walmart it closed. Was told the national park service had to take over school grounds and maintenance because they couldnt keep it up. 10s of millions down a rat hole. The stories I could tell about that hell hole.

All true, except you left out the part where the realtors in Auburn overbuilt so the State government offered them stipends to take refugees from Tuskegee which has led to a spike in Auburn crime. But there is a new mayor there and they are attempting to revive the community.

What you described happened from the late 1970's through 2010 and your description while solid doesn't do the devastation justice. But it is what it is.

Some of the history and antebellum homes in tuskeegee are beautiful....but dilapidated. It's sad. Honestly, Troy reminds me of Auburn 30 years ago.

Nothing lasts forever. Besides being a Disneyland for college kids they are turning Auburn into Buckhead south.

Oh well. Brave new world.

Honestly, I've felt that what is happening in Auburn is the result of Birmingham people who think the ****** views they have are somehow chic and they are trying to foist them on those of us love to look at trees and flowers and wide open spaces. Downtown Auburn has changed from quaint and lovely to claustrophobic.

It's ugly and has only profited a few local realtors. But hey it has raised my property value by 1/4 million. So when it gets more than I can stand at least it will be worth my while to move to some out of the way rural community and be that new bastard that bought ole so and so's place!

(09-16-2020 02:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 01:45 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I agree in principle, but isn't this illegal? I can't buy 100 acres and subdivide or rent it out restricted to white people. We either have Jim Crow or not. I frankly don't care either way, but pick one and apply it consistently.

You and your friends or family or religion can go buy property together and do whatever you want on it... I assume the land use is unrestricted.

the challenge comes when they or their ancestors want to borrow against the property to build, rebuild, start a business whatever. Eventually someone will want to sell... and at that point, things will get interesting.

I cannot subdivide the land and sell it restricted to a race or religion nor may I rent it out with those restrictions. I suppose I could let anyone live there for free but once I have engaged in commerce I have violated the 14th Amendment in my interpretation.

You're missing the point.
This is not some guy buying 100 acres and trying to sell it only to black people. This is 19 black families whom I suspect formed a legal entity to purchase 100 acres. The LP owns the land. They can require that you be a partner to live on the land just like any Co-op or condo... and the people there can engage in both internal and external commerce... as long as you're not buying or selling or renting the property.

The problem comes if and when they ever want to sell any of the land... or if anyone wants to use shares of their partnership as collateral for a loan... probably some other ideas. The lender would have to agree to the stipulations of the partnership and that would most often violate banking laws. It might also be an issue i they looked to expand the membership and discriminated... I don't know about that. If me and 3 white guys wanted to share a hunting lease that would be okay... and if a 4th guy who happened to be hispanic wanted to join and we said no, isn't that still okay? What if we instead let another white guy join?

(09-16-2020 01:45 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I agree in principle, but isn't this illegal? I can't buy 100 acres and subdivide or rent it out restricted to white people. We either have Jim Crow or not. I frankly don't care either way, but pick one and apply it consistently.

You and your friends or family or religion can go buy property together and do whatever you want on it... I assume the land use is unrestricted.

the challenge comes when they or their ancestors want to borrow against the property to build, rebuild, start a business whatever. Eventually someone will want to sell... and at that point, things will get interesting.

David Koresh says you are wrong about that....but that was a group of primarily white people, so no anti-government movement started.

Again, if they bought the land it's theirs to do whatever they want to do as long as it doesn't violate local ordinances.

I'm just curious if this is an off the grid project or they doing infrastructure.

(09-17-2020 09:43 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 01:45 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I agree in principle, but isn't this illegal? I can't buy 100 acres and subdivide or rent it out restricted to white people. We either have Jim Crow or not. I frankly don't care either way, but pick one and apply it consistently.

You and your friends or family or religion can go buy property together and do whatever you want on it... I assume the land use is unrestricted.

the challenge comes when they or their ancestors want to borrow against the property to build, rebuild, start a business whatever. Eventually someone will want to sell... and at that point, things will get interesting.

David Koresh says you are wrong about that....but that was a group of primarily white people, so no anti-government movement started.

There were comments about not being able to enter into commerce and I spoke of 'unrestricted land', I thought the confines of those activities to otherwise legal uses was clear. Unrestricted land doesn't include illegal activities. WHile it may have been a lie, Koresh and followers had little issue with the government as I understand it until there were reports of illegal guns. I didn't think I had to specify that you can't engage in child pornography or building a nuclear reactor. I clearly meant they could farm... they could buy goods from outside... they could sell goods to the outside.... they could get jobs off the property and they could hire people to work on it. They could engage in any LEGAL commerce or activities.

(09-17-2020 01:53 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 09:43 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 01:45 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I agree in principle, but isn't this illegal? I can't buy 100 acres and subdivide or rent it out restricted to white people. We either have Jim Crow or not. I frankly don't care either way, but pick one and apply it consistently.

You and your friends or family or religion can go buy property together and do whatever you want on it... I assume the land use is unrestricted.

the challenge comes when they or their ancestors want to borrow against the property to build, rebuild, start a business whatever. Eventually someone will want to sell... and at that point, things will get interesting.

David Koresh says you are wrong about that....but that was a group of primarily white people, so no anti-government movement started.

There were comments about not being able to enter into commerce and I spoke of 'unrestricted land', I thought the confines of those activities to otherwise legal uses was clear. Unrestricted land doesn't include illegal activities. WHile it may have been a lie, Koresh and followers had little issue with the government as I understand it until there were reports of illegal guns. I didn't think I had to specify that you can't engage in child pornography or building a nuclear reactor. I clearly meant they could farm... they could buy goods from outside... they could sell goods to the outside.... they could get jobs off the property and they could hire people to work on it. They could engage in any LEGAL commerce or activities.

As I stated above as long as they followed local ordinances.

(09-17-2020 02:07 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 01:53 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 09:43 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 01:45 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I agree in principle, but isn't this illegal? I can't buy 100 acres and subdivide or rent it out restricted to white people. We either have Jim Crow or not. I frankly don't care either way, but pick one and apply it consistently.

You and your friends or family or religion can go buy property together and do whatever you want on it... I assume the land use is unrestricted.

the challenge comes when they or their ancestors want to borrow against the property to build, rebuild, start a business whatever. Eventually someone will want to sell... and at that point, things will get interesting.

David Koresh says you are wrong about that....but that was a group of primarily white people, so no anti-government movement started.

There were comments about not being able to enter into commerce and I spoke of 'unrestricted land', I thought the confines of those activities to otherwise legal uses was clear. Unrestricted land doesn't include illegal activities. WHile it may have been a lie, Koresh and followers had little issue with the government as I understand it until there were reports of illegal guns. I didn't think I had to specify that you can't engage in child pornography or building a nuclear reactor. I clearly meant they could farm... they could buy goods from outside... they could sell goods to the outside.... they could get jobs off the property and they could hire people to work on it. They could engage in any LEGAL commerce or activities.

As I stated above as long as they followed local ordinances.

Yep...

and Beard... I apologize if the above comes off as snarky... It wasn't intentional. I tend to get that way when multi-tasking at work... very cold and dry... not personal nor intentional

(09-17-2020 03:21 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 02:07 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 01:53 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 09:43 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 01:45 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  You and your friends or family or religion can go buy property together and do whatever you want on it... I assume the land use is unrestricted.

the challenge comes when they or their ancestors want to borrow against the property to build, rebuild, start a business whatever. Eventually someone will want to sell... and at that point, things will get interesting.

David Koresh says you are wrong about that....but that was a group of primarily white people, so no anti-government movement started.

There were comments about not being able to enter into commerce and I spoke of 'unrestricted land', I thought the confines of those activities to otherwise legal uses was clear. Unrestricted land doesn't include illegal activities. WHile it may have been a lie, Koresh and followers had little issue with the government as I understand it until there were reports of illegal guns. I didn't think I had to specify that you can't engage in child pornography or building a nuclear reactor. I clearly meant they could farm... they could buy goods from outside... they could sell goods to the outside.... they could get jobs off the property and they could hire people to work on it. They could engage in any LEGAL commerce or activities.

As I stated above as long as they followed local ordinances.

Yep...

and Beard... I apologize if the above comes off as snarky... It wasn't intentional. I tend to get that way when multi-tasking at work... very cold and dry... not personal nor intentional

Snarky doesn't bother me...but see my signature for more information about me and my usual posting style.

(09-16-2020 01:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-16-2020 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 06:29 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Since Im a strong believer in private property rights..I can have nothing negative to say about this. I sincerely hope it achieves the intended goal.

I agree in principle, but isn't this illegal? I can't buy 100 acres and subdivide or rent it out restricted to white people. We either have Jim Crow or not. I frankly don't care either way, but pick one and apply it consistently.

No. You absolutely cannot do that. Period. Anywhere.

Gentlemen, you miss the point. Whites sold them the land and will leave with the money. They'll start their experiment and all of that is legal. Can they and will they get away with it? Yes. I give you Tuskegee as an example. Whites will be free to sell and leave or to buy if there is land available in the area. Blacks with means will move in and the town will slowly grow into a majority black town. Then as someone pointed out above bad relatives, unmotivated children, and others will slowly turn the utopia into a massive mess, unless of course those who originally bought the property bring pressure upon them with police, courts, and laws.

Tuskegee started out as a white run small town with a fine HBC located there. As older whites died out their children moved away. What had been a fine college town culture eroded into city corruption and the lack of maintenance of basic city services and a new kind of lawlessness. The African Americans there now who care about the city are fighting hard to regain control and to gentrify it for upper middle class well educated black families. Montgomery needs such a bedroom community because West Montgomery is a cesspool and nobody who loves their children wants to be around it. The problem is it is hard to fight poverty and crime without higher taxes, good police, solid city government and laws that support development.

So if you want to know what will happen in Wilkinson County Georgia look to Tuskegee but they have the advantage of not having to overcome crime initially. They have a good chance and I wish them well. What they are discovering is the American Dream of whites in the 50's.

This is very true about Tuskegee. A good friend's family owns a funeral home, but they're white and very few of the black residents use them so they're going out of business. There are plenty of white land owners in Macon County, but none of them own in the city limits. I know one of the main former leaders of the city fairly well and he is crooked as a question mark. Sad thing is Tuskegee University is a pretty good school. They're known for engineering, vet, and nursing school.