LSU coach Ed Orgeron said on Tuesday that most of his team has contracted COVID-19.

"Not all of our players but most of our players have caught it," Orgeron told reporters.


https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...d=99680458

That is one way to build potential immunity.

I'm surprised to hear that SEC protocols say players who have contracted the virus no longer should be tested at all for 90 days (essentially the whole season). I don't believe there is a definitive belief in the medical community that there is zero risk of these players still being able to infect someone else during that timeframe. While that seems to be the common thinking, there is still a lot to learn about this particular virus. How much more expensive could it be to continue to test these players weekly instead of daily?

It is REALLY irresponsible to keep playing. I am sure most football teams are in the same boat.

(09-15-2020 01:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  I'm surprised to hear that SEC protocols say players who have contracted the virus no longer should be tested at all for 90 days (essentially the whole season). I don't believe there is a definitive belief in the medical community that there is zero risk of these players still being able to infect someone else during that timeframe. While that seems to be the common thinking, there is still a lot to learn about this particular virus. How much more expensive could it be to continue to test these players weekly instead of daily?

There is little to no evidence that immunity continues for any length of time.

If only there were some way this could have been predicted....

(09-15-2020 01:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 01:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  I'm surprised to hear that SEC protocols say players who have contracted the virus no longer should be tested at all for 90 days (essentially the whole season). I don't believe there is a definitive belief in the medical community that there is zero risk of these players still being able to infect someone else during that timeframe. While that seems to be the common thinking, there is still a lot to learn about this particular virus. How much more expensive could it be to continue to test these players weekly instead of daily?

There is little to no evidence that immunity continues for any length of time.

There is also little to no evidence suggesting immunity does not continue for a long time. But there's no reason to think it won't, as people would remain sick if they weren't able to gain immunity. The question is not IF you get immunity, it's HOW LONG.

But there hasn't been much research on the question yet.

The Syracuse and Carolina teams were tested 4 times last week.

(09-15-2020 01:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  LSU coach Ed Orgeron said on Tuesday that most of his team has contracted COVID-19.

"Not all of our players but most of our players have caught it," Orgeron told reporters.


https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...d=99680458

he also doesn't say they are active cases. They've been testing these guys since summer workouts, maybe before. I would imagine if you did an antibody test on FBS players, a majority of them would have them.

I thought being in the structured environment was supposed to be safer than staying home. Guess not.

(09-15-2020 02:42 PM)XLance Wrote:  The Syracuse and Carolina teams were tested 4 times last week.

Duke is testing every day.

(09-15-2020 01:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It is REALLY irresponsible to keep playing. I am sure most football teams are in the same boat.

I disagree that most teams are in the same boat. With a frequent testing program, there is no way this should have happened. I'll be very curious to find out more about what went wrong at LSU.

(09-15-2020 02:28 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 01:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 01:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  I'm surprised to hear that SEC protocols say players who have contracted the virus no longer should be tested at all for 90 days (essentially the whole season). I don't believe there is a definitive belief in the medical community that there is zero risk of these players still being able to infect someone else during that timeframe. While that seems to be the common thinking, there is still a lot to learn about this particular virus. How much more expensive could it be to continue to test these players weekly instead of daily?

There is little to no evidence that immunity continues for any length of time.

There is also little to no evidence suggesting immunity does not continue for a long time. But there's no reason to think it won't, as people would remain sick if they weren't able to gain immunity. The question is not IF you get immunity, it's HOW LONG.

But there hasn't been much research on the question yet.

And a lot of viruses work like that. Just because you contract it once doesn't mean you can't get it again. COVID-19 is not different in that regard.

Where it concerns health, the question is still a matter of how safe are players inside the supervision of the program versus being completely free to move about at all times with no football activities.

BTW, is anyone testing the players at schools that have abandoned the season? If you want a control for how effective remaining in the program is then that's your best comparison. That and comparing positive rates to the general student population on each campus.

(09-15-2020 03:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  I thought being in the structured environment was supposed to be safer than staying home. Guess not.

Why would you "guess" that based on one team?

(09-15-2020 01:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It is REALLY irresponsible to keep playing. I am sure most football teams are in the same boat.

Why?

How many of these kids have any significant problems?

Who have they spread it to? I would imagine they are a lot more restricted when positive than most college students.

(09-15-2020 03:04 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 02:42 PM)XLance Wrote:  The Syracuse and Carolina teams were tested 4 times last week.

Duke is testing every day.

(09-15-2020 01:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It is REALLY irresponsible to keep playing. I am sure most football teams are in the same boat.

I disagree that most teams are in the same boat. With a frequent testing program, there is no way this should have happened. I'll be very curious to find out more about what went wrong at LSU.

Duh! College students. They are going to parties or bars. Somebody is getting it and spreading it before the next test.

(09-15-2020 02:28 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 01:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 01:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  I'm surprised to hear that SEC protocols say players who have contracted the virus no longer should be tested at all for 90 days (essentially the whole season). I don't believe there is a definitive belief in the medical community that there is zero risk of these players still being able to infect someone else during that timeframe. While that seems to be the common thinking, there is still a lot to learn about this particular virus. How much more expensive could it be to continue to test these players weekly instead of daily?

There is little to no evidence that immunity continues for any length of time.

There is also little to no evidence suggesting immunity does not continue for a long time. But there's no reason to think it won't, as people would remain sick if they weren't able to gain immunity. The question is not IF you get immunity, it's HOW LONG.

But there hasn't been much research on the question yet.

They have done tests on the recovered and looked at various lengths of time since they had the virus and found that immunity seems to dissipate around 120 days. But of course that's not going to be same for everyone since we are unique.

These players and coaches are tested every 3 times a week now. Those who have gotten over it will usually still have antibodies present for about 90 days. So they probably took their best guess, but they are still tested. I would think coach O is probably more at risk than any of the team.

Here's the thing. None of us are promised tomorrow and you are still more likely to be killed on our highways than to die of COVID 19. Lightening may be a greater risk, even though nobody has ever been struck and killed in a modern stadium. I can die getting my mail as school buses speed down my street just a couple of feet from the mail box. I could get mugged. But, I'm much more likely to die falling off a ladder, or driving, or these days by watching the news. The news of how our world is going probably puts me at stroke list every time I watch it or read it. So CNN and NBC are more likely to kill me than COVID 19!

The Big 10 is playing. I'm happy for them and their fans.

I also notice nobody whines and moans about our 3 service academies and they are playing. And they have some smart and responsible leadership at those schools.

CUSA and the Sunbelt aren't catching the crap that the SEC and to a slightly lesser extent the ACC and Big 12 get. Why is that? The risk is no greater and no less?

So I say none of us are promised tomorrow therefore we must live in the moment because that is the only life we do have. Everything we do in life is a risk reward decision: driving, marriage, having children, our professions, military service, and just experiencing life and choosing where to live involves hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, frequent forest fires, and yes even super volcanoes. Where you choose to eat, and what you eat is a risk / reward decision some of which have fatal consequences. Then there are random killers, thugs, lightening, allergic reactions leading to shock, electrocution because you thought you could put in your own light fixture, and apparently pulling the fuse on a baby reveal made in China since that is what started one of he wildfires in California.

So when the least likely group to die from COVID 19 plays football and the SEC and other conferences have given them every right to opt out without loss of scholarship or loss of eligibility and then gives them 3 tests a week and medical supervision they would not receive at home I want to know why they should be robbed of their choice to live and accept the risk?

At this juncture I'm more fearful of those who want to take away our choices, especially when precautions are being reasonably taken, than I am of the virus.

So actually think about all of those things and then tell me that any should have the right to drive since that kills so many more than anything else I mentioned, including violence.

(09-15-2020 03:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 01:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It is REALLY irresponsible to keep playing. I am sure most football teams are in the same boat.

Why?

How many of these kids have any significant problems?

Who have they spread it to? I would imagine they are a lot more restricted when positive than most college students.

The problem with Covid is that brain/heart/blood/lung issues are being seen months after the fact even with asymptomatic patients.

So you are saying they are on lock-down? No in-person classes, no restaurants, no bars, etc?

(09-15-2020 04:47 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 03:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 01:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It is REALLY irresponsible to keep playing. I am sure most football teams are in the same boat.

Why?

How many of these kids have any significant problems?

Who have they spread it to? I would imagine they are a lot more restricted when positive than most college students.

The problem with Covid is that brain/heart/blood/lung issues are being seen months after the fact even with asymptomatic patients.

So you are saying they are on lock-down? No in-person classes, no restaurants, no bars, etc?

The student-athletes are closely monitored. If they are positive, the staff is going to make sure they are quarantined.

With two kids in college, I can confirm for certain a lot of kids are not following protocol when they are exposed or sick. The athletes will be.

Today I was told by a friend that lives in Baton Rouge that all of the cases were in the past, and the team is healthy now and ready to play.

(09-15-2020 04:52 PM)XLance Wrote:  Today I was told by a friend that lives in Baton Rouge that all of the cases were in the past, and the team is healthy now and ready to play.

Yes this is being misinterpreted. He means that most of them have caught it over the past several months. Not that they have it right now.