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(01-19-2021 04:32 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:46 PM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 03:10 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  PT and Nursing used to be in the top 50 nationally. No idea where they may rank these days

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I don't know about today, but 4 years ago, the acceptance rate into the PT program was about 10% of those who applied. I believe that PT is moving from a masters program to a doctorate program.

All decent PT programs are transitioning to doctoral programs, since it is the preferred credential. Just as the minimum credential for Nursing is accepted to be the BSN rather than the RN as it was 10-15 years ago.

ODU's PT program is a DPT. My son-in-law is a recent graduate of that program.

(09-14-2020 10:43 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 10:35 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 10:27 AM)monarx Wrote:  Good news/Bad News

ODU comes in as the 258th best college in the US. If Im reading it correctly, we are back ahead of Regent. Which makes me glad because they bragged in their press release last year that they ranked higher than us.

The bad news: ODU comes in as the 258th best school, which while still ranked, is a drop from a few years ago. We really need to crack the top 200. For comparison:

GMU: 143
UAB:153
VCU:160
UCF: 160
Towson: 196
GSU: 216
ECU: 217
UNCC: 227

We do pretty well against CUSA teams though. Ranking higher than MTSU, Marshall, La Tech, WKU and FAU.

Terrible look if its just academics being evaluated for these rankings.

Academics has almost NOTHING to do with US News Rankings. I have completed their ranking survey and ended up throwing it in the trash because that is what it is....rubbish. There is no real data in the rankings other than admission rate. The bulk of the rankings are based on perception ratings, so people like guidance counselors and college admission officers are asked to share how good they think a school is. There is ZERO correlation to how good of an education you will get at any institution in the US News Rankings.

I'd like to see rankings that factor the following:

1) % of students obtain a job in the field the same as their degree (or closely related)
2) Mean and Modal income at 1yr, 5yr, 10yr of graduates (maybe include this vs total cost of attendance - housing)
3) (less weighting to this) % of students that donate to the school (signals extra income likely contributed to higher salaries as a result of the schools ability to prepare graduates & network)

(01-20-2021 09:11 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 10:43 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 10:35 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 10:27 AM)monarx Wrote:  Good news/Bad News

ODU comes in as the 258th best college in the US. If Im reading it correctly, we are back ahead of Regent. Which makes me glad because they bragged in their press release last year that they ranked higher than us.

The bad news: ODU comes in as the 258th best school, which while still ranked, is a drop from a few years ago. We really need to crack the top 200. For comparison:

GMU: 143
UAB:153
VCU:160
UCF: 160
Towson: 196
GSU: 216
ECU: 217
UNCC: 227

We do pretty well against CUSA teams though. Ranking higher than MTSU, Marshall, La Tech, WKU and FAU.

Terrible look if its just academics being evaluated for these rankings.

Academics has almost NOTHING to do with US News Rankings. I have completed their ranking survey and ended up throwing it in the trash because that is what it is....rubbish. There is no real data in the rankings other than admission rate. The bulk of the rankings are based on perception ratings, so people like guidance counselors and college admission officers are asked to share how good they think a school is. There is ZERO correlation to how good of an education you will get at any institution in the US News Rankings.

I'd like to see rankings that factor the following:

1) % of students obtain a job in the field the same as their degree (or closely related)
2) Mean and Modal income at 1yr, 5yr, 10yr of graduates
3) (less weighting to this) % of students that donate to the school (signals extra income likely contributed to higher salaries as a result of the schools ability to prepare graduates & network)

These ranking do exists...New York Times does rankings that include these factors. Pay Scale does some of this as well. There are some others. I work for a no name university in PA but when you look at things like starting salaries and mid-career salaries, we rank in the top 18% Nationally. We are looking at Rankings backwards. How hard it is to get is does not mean anything, it is what happens once you are in college and after you graduate that really matters. My sister went to Radford, when Radford was not nearly the school it is today. She said ti really well. "Getting in was the easy part." Just as I am sure many of us were not straight A students with prefect SAT scores, ODU gave us a shot it was up to us to take advantage.

(01-20-2021 09:20 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 09:11 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 10:43 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 10:35 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 10:27 AM)monarx Wrote:  Good news/Bad News

ODU comes in as the 258th best college in the US. If Im reading it correctly, we are back ahead of Regent. Which makes me glad because they bragged in their press release last year that they ranked higher than us.

The bad news: ODU comes in as the 258th best school, which while still ranked, is a drop from a few years ago. We really need to crack the top 200. For comparison:

GMU: 143
UAB:153
VCU:160
UCF: 160
Towson: 196
GSU: 216
ECU: 217
UNCC: 227

We do pretty well against CUSA teams though. Ranking higher than MTSU, Marshall, La Tech, WKU and FAU.

Terrible look if its just academics being evaluated for these rankings.

Academics has almost NOTHING to do with US News Rankings. I have completed their ranking survey and ended up throwing it in the trash because that is what it is....rubbish. There is no real data in the rankings other than admission rate. The bulk of the rankings are based on perception ratings, so people like guidance counselors and college admission officers are asked to share how good they think a school is. There is ZERO correlation to how good of an education you will get at any institution in the US News Rankings.

I'd like to see rankings that factor the following:

1) % of students obtain a job in the field the same as their degree (or closely related)
2) Mean and Modal income at 1yr, 5yr, 10yr of graduates
3) (less weighting to this) % of students that donate to the school (signals extra income likely contributed to higher salaries as a result of the schools ability to prepare graduates & network)

These ranking do exists...New York Times does rankings that include these factors. Pay Scale does some of this as well. There are some others. I work for a no name university in PA but when you look at things like starting salaries and mid-career salaries, we rank in the top 18% Nationally. We are looking at Rankings backwards. How hard it is to get is does not mean anything, it is what happens once you are in college and after you graduate that really matters. My sister went to Radford, when Radford was not nearly the school it is today. She said ti really well. "Getting in was the easy part." Just as I am sure many of us were not straight A students with prefect SAT scores, ODU gave us a shot it was up to us to take advantage.

Many years ago, I was in an impromptu job interview and the guy asked where I went to college. I told him ODU. His next question was "did you graduate"? I told him "yes", and he said "Good for you. ODU isn't too hard to get in, but its a lot harder to graduate from." which I thought was a positive comment about the rigor of the school.

(01-20-2021 09:52 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 09:20 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 09:11 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 10:43 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 10:35 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  Terrible look if its just academics being evaluated for these rankings.

Academics has almost NOTHING to do with US News Rankings. I have completed their ranking survey and ended up throwing it in the trash because that is what it is....rubbish. There is no real data in the rankings other than admission rate. The bulk of the rankings are based on perception ratings, so people like guidance counselors and college admission officers are asked to share how good they think a school is. There is ZERO correlation to how good of an education you will get at any institution in the US News Rankings.

I'd like to see rankings that factor the following:

1) % of students obtain a job in the field the same as their degree (or closely related)
2) Mean and Modal income at 1yr, 5yr, 10yr of graduates
3) (less weighting to this) % of students that donate to the school (signals extra income likely contributed to higher salaries as a result of the schools ability to prepare graduates & network)

These ranking do exists...New York Times does rankings that include these factors. Pay Scale does some of this as well. There are some others. I work for a no name university in PA but when you look at things like starting salaries and mid-career salaries, we rank in the top 18% Nationally. We are looking at Rankings backwards. How hard it is to get is does not mean anything, it is what happens once you are in college and after you graduate that really matters. My sister went to Radford, when Radford was not nearly the school it is today. She said ti really well. "Getting in was the easy part." Just as I am sure many of us were not straight A students with prefect SAT scores, ODU gave us a shot it was up to us to take advantage.

Many years ago, I was in an impromptu job interview and the guy asked where I went to college. I told him ODU. His next question was "did you graduate"? I told him "yes", and he said "Good for you. ODU isn't too hard to get in, but its a lot harder to graduate from." which I thought was a positive comment about the rigor of the school.

I've heard the same thing from outsiders as well. Made me feel really good about my time there.

Perception is realty.

https://www.odualumni.org/s/1672/bp20/in...2864dzomzA

Raise the perception with some self-promotion.

(01-20-2021 09:20 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 09:11 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 10:43 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 10:35 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 10:27 AM)monarx Wrote:  Good news/Bad News

ODU comes in as the 258th best college in the US. If Im reading it correctly, we are back ahead of Regent. Which makes me glad because they bragged in their press release last year that they ranked higher than us.

The bad news: ODU comes in as the 258th best school, which while still ranked, is a drop from a few years ago. We really need to crack the top 200. For comparison:

GMU: 143
UAB:153
VCU:160
UCF: 160
Towson: 196
GSU: 216
ECU: 217
UNCC: 227

We do pretty well against CUSA teams though. Ranking higher than MTSU, Marshall, La Tech, WKU and FAU.

Terrible look if its just academics being evaluated for these rankings.

Academics has almost NOTHING to do with US News Rankings. I have completed their ranking survey and ended up throwing it in the trash because that is what it is....rubbish. There is no real data in the rankings other than admission rate. The bulk of the rankings are based on perception ratings, so people like guidance counselors and college admission officers are asked to share how good they think a school is. There is ZERO correlation to how good of an education you will get at any institution in the US News Rankings.

I'd like to see rankings that factor the following:

1) % of students obtain a job in the field the same as their degree (or closely related)
2) Mean and Modal income at 1yr, 5yr, 10yr of graduates
3) (less weighting to this) % of students that donate to the school (signals extra income likely contributed to higher salaries as a result of the schools ability to prepare graduates & network)

These ranking do exists...New York Times does rankings that include these factors. Pay Scale does some of this as well. There are some others. I work for a no name university in PA but when you look at things like starting salaries and mid-career salaries, we rank in the top 18% Nationally. We are looking at Rankings backwards. How hard it is to get is does not mean anything, it is what happens once you are in college and after you graduate that really matters. My sister went to Radford, when Radford was not nearly the school it is today. She said ti really well. "Getting in was the easy part." Just as I am sure many of us were not straight A students with prefect SAT scores, ODU gave us a shot it was up to us to take advantage.

I learn something new everyday thanks.
I've never paid attention to rankings, other then when I was applying for business school.

So, not US News rankings, but Carnegie Classification:

Quote:Nine universities joined the highest level of research institutions in the updated list, produced by the Center for Postsecondary Research at Indiana University’s School of Education, and last updated in 2018. Among the new members of this group of 137 “Doctoral/Very High Research” institutions are Baylor, Old Dominion, and Utah State Universities, and the University of Louisiana at Lafayette.

ODU is now an R1 institution.

Nice! Big achievement.

(12-17-2021 10:38 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  So, not US News rankings, but Carnegie Classification:

Quote:Nine universities joined the highest level of research institutions in the updated list, produced by the Center for Postsecondary Research at Indiana University’s School of Education, and last updated in 2018. Among the new members of this group of 137 “Doctoral/Very High Research” institutions are Baylor, Old Dominion, and Utah State Universities, and the University of Louisiana at Lafayette.

ODU is now an R1 institution.

That's great news and quite an accomplishment.!!

I guess Carnegie doesn't use "R1" anymore, but "Very High Research" is the new designation. 1 of 137 universities in the country with it.

(12-17-2021 10:47 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  I guess Carnegie doesn't use "R1" anymore, but "Very High Research" is the new designation. 1 of 137 universities in the country with it.

JMU is now an R2 Doctoral. Go figure.

This is indeed great news . Hope we continue the growth in the research area. A lot of reputation to be earned and money to be made.

(12-17-2021 10:38 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  So, not US News rankings, but Carnegie Classification:

Quote:Nine universities joined the highest level of research institutions in the updated list, produced by the Center for Postsecondary Research at Indiana University’s School of Education, and last updated in 2018. Among the new members of this group of 137 “Doctoral/Very High Research” institutions are Baylor, Old Dominion, and Utah State Universities, and the University of Louisiana at Lafayette.

ODU is now an R1 institution.

This is indeed good news. Very impressive and hopefully will result in a little higher USNWR ranking too as it should influence the "peer perception" aspect.

I want to make an academic donation to commemorate this good news but I’m overwhelmed by the options. Educational Foundation, individual colleges and departments, etc. Any recommendations on where a donation can do the most good?

(12-17-2021 05:32 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  I want to make an academic donation to commemorate this good news but I’m overwhelmed by the options. Educational Foundation, individual colleges and departments, etc. Any recommendations on where a donation can do the most good?

I think it all comes down to your personal choice. Educational Foundation encompasses them all and is geared more towards helping students and one can assume each department have their own priorities with the funds they receive as far as department specific donations go. I know when i was in school as GA we always wanted better HW for the lab but couldn't afford one because we have tighter budgets. I usually make a small donation to College of Sciences in general and the funds get distributed among various departments. Anyways unless you want your funds go to specific college your best bets are Educational Foundation or University Priorities.

(12-17-2021 05:32 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  I want to make an academic donation to commemorate this good news but I’m overwhelmed by the options. Educational Foundation, individual colleges and departments, etc. Any recommendations on where a donation can do the most good?

You just got a letter from ODU asking for money too i see.

(01-19-2021 04:55 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:46 PM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 03:10 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  PT and Nursing used to be in the top 50 nationally. No idea where they may rank these days

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I don't know about today, but 4 years ago, the acceptance rate into the PT program was about 10% of those who applied. I believe that PT is moving from a masters program to a doctorate program.

Wow. Thats quite selective. Especially considering acceptance to ODU in general is around 80%.

The dental program is also very tough. I heard 10% there as well.

(12-17-2021 07:58 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 04:55 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:46 PM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 03:10 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  PT and Nursing used to be in the top 50 nationally. No idea where they may rank these days

Sent from my SM-G975U using CSNbbs mobile app

I don't know about today, but 4 years ago, the acceptance rate into the PT program was about 10% of those who applied. I believe that PT is moving from a masters program to a doctorate program.

Wow. Thats quite selective. Especially considering acceptance to ODU in general is around 80%.

The dental program is also very tough. I heard 10% there as well.

That is some standard right there. I don't think we have that kind of acceptance rate for any other program.

School of Health Sciences could use the donations. Their about to get a brand new facility at Hampton and 40th.