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RE: College Basketball Tiers
(09-13-2020 08:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
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(09-13-2020 08:30 PM)46566 Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 04:59 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Another thread delved into a conversation about college basketball "blue bloods." The general consensus seems to be that six are in that group, in order from west to east: UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, UNC, and Duke.

Who belongs in the next tier, and the one after, and so on?

Going completely off the top of my head, without looking at win totals, win percentages, Final Four totals, whatever, I would throw in these schools in the almost-blue blood category:

UConn
Villanova
Louisville
Syracuse
Michigan State
Michigan
Arizona

Then below that tier:

Cincinnati
Memphis
Georgetown
Maryland
Virginia
Ohio State
Wisconsin?

Beyond that, it gets less clear.

Again these aren't listed in order, nor am I dead set on the list. Just curious about others' opinions.

I'm surprised Gonzaga isn't up there. They have been in the NCAA tournament for the last 21 years to various moments of success. For the immediate future I don't see that changing tell at the very least Mark Few leaves. He may have at least 5 to 10 years left to coach left in him. National championships help but I would say current success outshines stuff that happened 30-40 years ago.

Bad oversight on my part. I don't know why they didn't come to mind.

That’s not an oversight at all. Gonzaga doesn’t fit any definition of blueblood. They have 2 NCAA appearances before Few.

Gonzaga can fall in at the "best of the rest level", towards the bottom.
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RE: College Basketball Tiers
At least in men's basketball tiers can be measured by actual performance and results unlike football where before the 1990's championships were determined by polls and you won championships not by merit but because people felt sorry for your head coach because he never won before (cough, Tom Osborne).

IMO the best measure would be since to use results since 1985 because that was when the 64 team field was introduced and teams needed to win 6 games to win the tournament. UCLA or any team like UCLA would never be able to win multiple national championships in today's era. Only one of Wooden's teams even had to win as many as 5 games to win the national championship and was the only time they won a national championship which had at large teams in the field. Imagine an NCAA Tournament where only one ACC team, one Big East team, one Big Ten team, etc made the NCAA Tournament, and one of the #3 seeds is the Mid American Champion. That's the kind of tournament UCLA won. There was an era Mike Krzyzewski made five consecutive Final Fours. Duke hasn't made the Final Four in back to back years since then. And you shouldn't just count national championships. UNLV won a national championship but what else have they done otherwise? And let's reward teams that have a lot of good years but never win like a Gonzaga. In college football, we never hear about a Gonzaga for two reasons.

I've posted about the best college basketball teams since 2010 and/or 2000. If I don't already have it, I can probably come up with the most NCAA Tournament wins since 1985 as well.
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RE: College Basketball Tiers
Based on all-time NCAA tournament wins (not a bad criteria)...

Blue bloods:
Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas and UCLA (schools that have over 105 wins)

Second tier (schools with 65-76 wins...there is a clear separation versus blue bloods):
Louisville, Michigan State, Syracuse, Indiana and Villanova

Third tier (42-61 wins):
Michigan, Connecticut, Ohio State, Arizona, Florida, Georgetown, Cincinnati, Arkansas, Maryland, Oklahoma and Purdue

That is a fairly solid top 20 (last 4 teams are tied). Hopefully in a few years, UVA will make the cut. That third tier is most subject to change...as schools can move up or down with a couple of exceptional tournament runs. There is also no separation between the 3rd tier and certain schools not on the list (e.g., Marquette, Illinois, Norte Dame, etc.).
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(09-14-2020 07:55 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Based on all-time NCAA tournament wins (not a bad criteria)...

Blue bloods:
Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas and UCLA (schools that have over 105 wins)

Second tier (schools with 65-76 wins...there is a clear separation versus blue bloods):
Louisville, Michigan State, Syracuse, Indiana and Villanova

Third tier (42-61 wins):
Michigan, Connecticut, Ohio State, Arizona, Florida, Georgetown, Cincinnati, Arkansas, Maryland, Oklahoma and Purdue

That is a fairly solid top 20. Hopefully in a few years, UVA will make the cut. That third tier is most subject to change...as schools can move up or down with a couple of exceptional tournament runs.

That is a good way of breaking up the tiers.

My one quibble is putting UConn as third tier. They have four titles to several other schools' one. That includes Syracuse, who is in the tier ahead of UConn. Titles alone aren't everything. I recognize UConn isn't top tier ahead of three time champion Kansas due to the Jayhawks' longer, more consistent history. But they should at least be enough to tip the scales ahead of one-time champions.
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(09-13-2020 08:37 PM)ccbfan Wrote:  The top 6 is pretty set with UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, UNC, and Duke with Indiana maybe falling out if they don't do something soon.

The next tier I think you still need at least 2 championships to be part of.

UConn
Villanova
Louisville
Michigan State
Florida

After that its

Syracuse
Michigan
Arizona
Cincinnati
Georgetown

Programs after this either have one championship and no consistency or consistency but no championships. Like the Memphis, Maryland, Virginia, Gonzaga, Illinois, Wisconsin, Arkansas, ect

I'd put Indiana solidly below those others. They haven't been good in a long time. They've only had 4 Sweet Sixteens and 1 Elite Eight in the last quarter century.
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RE: College Basketball Tiers
(09-14-2020 12:45 AM)46566 Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 08:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 08:35 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 08:30 PM)46566 Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 04:59 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Another thread delved into a conversation about college basketball "blue bloods." The general consensus seems to be that six are in that group, in order from west to east: UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, UNC, and Duke.

Who belongs in the next tier, and the one after, and so on?

Going completely off the top of my head, without looking at win totals, win percentages, Final Four totals, whatever, I would throw in these schools in the almost-blue blood category:

UConn
Villanova
Louisville
Syracuse
Michigan State
Michigan
Arizona

Then below that tier:

Cincinnati
Memphis
Georgetown
Maryland
Virginia
Ohio State
Wisconsin?

Beyond that, it gets less clear.

Again these aren't listed in order, nor am I dead set on the list. Just curious about others' opinions.

I'm surprised Gonzaga isn't up there. They have been in the NCAA tournament for the last 21 years to various moments of success. For the immediate future I don't see that changing tell at the very least Mark Few leaves. He may have at least 5 to 10 years left to coach left in him. National championships help but I would say current success outshines stuff that happened 30-40 years ago.

Bad oversight on my part. I don't know why they didn't come to mind.

That’s not an oversight at all. Gonzaga doesn’t fit any definition of blueblood. They have 2 NCAA appearances before Few.

Though they pretty much match UCLA in elite 8 and Sweet Sixteen numbers since 2000 and tie as a national runners up. I think UCLA has 1 more final four nod then Gonzaga. Though UCLA hasn't won a NCAA championship in 25 years. Most kids now haven't seen Gonzaga not in a NCAA tournament game. The 20 years Few has been in charge they could be considered a blue blood basketball school. Now they could drop off after he leaves but untill then the could recruit just as well as any other top tier school.

That means Gonzaga has been a better program than UCLA since 2000. That doesn't impact UCLA being a blueblood and Gonzaga fitting no criteria of a blueblood. A blueblood is old money; noble birth -- what you're discussing is entirely different from what a blueblood is.
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Highest winning percentage in NCAA tournament competition (minimum 30 wins):

First tier:
Duke, UNC, UCLA, Kentucky and Florida (all over 70%)

Second tier:
Kansas, Michigan, Michigan State, Connecticut and Indiana (66%-70%)

Third tier:
Ohio State, Villanova, UNLV, Louisville, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Arizona, Georgetown, UVA and Maryland (61%-64% winning percentage)

If Kansas and Florida would flip, this would be a perfect list.
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(09-14-2020 08:30 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Highest winning percentage in NCAA tournament competition (minimum 30 wins):

First tier:
Duke, UNC, UCLA, Kentucky and Florida (all over 70%)

Second tier:
Kansas, Michigan, Michigan State, Connecticut and Indiana (66%-70%)

Third tier:
Ohio State, Villanova, UNLV, Louisville, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Arizona, Georgetown, UVA and Maryland (61%-64% winning percentage)

If Kansas and Florida would flip, this would be a perfect list.

NCAA % inflates schools who miss the NCAA Tournament.

Switch NCAA % with NCAA wins and you get the blueblood list you're looking for:

I
Kentucky 131
UNC 126
Duke 115
Kansas 108
UCLA 106

II
Louisville 76
Michigan St 69
Syracuse 68
Indiana 66
Villanova 65

III
Michigan 61
UConn 59
Ohio St 57
Arizona 56
Florida 50
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(09-13-2020 08:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 08:35 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 08:30 PM)46566 Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 04:59 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Another thread delved into a conversation about college basketball "blue bloods." The general consensus seems to be that six are in that group, in order from west to east: UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, UNC, and Duke.

Who belongs in the next tier, and the one after, and so on?

Going completely off the top of my head, without looking at win totals, win percentages, Final Four totals, whatever, I would throw in these schools in the almost-blue blood category:

UConn
Villanova
Louisville
Syracuse
Michigan State
Michigan
Arizona

Then below that tier:

Cincinnati
Memphis
Georgetown
Maryland
Virginia
Ohio State
Wisconsin?

Beyond that, it gets less clear.

Again these aren't listed in order, nor am I dead set on the list. Just curious about others' opinions.

I'm surprised Gonzaga isn't up there. They have been in the NCAA tournament for the last 21 years to various moments of success. For the immediate future I don't see that changing tell at the very least Mark Few leaves. He may have at least 5 to 10 years left to coach left in him. National championships help but I would say current success outshines stuff that happened 30-40 years ago.

Bad oversight on my part. I don't know why they didn't come to mind.

That’s not an oversight at all. Gonzaga doesn’t fit any definition of blueblood. They have 2 NCAA appearances before Few.

Yeah, just not sure where to put Gonzaga. At present, they are a top 25 program.
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(09-14-2020 12:41 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 04:59 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Another thread delved into a conversation about college basketball "blue bloods." The general consensus seems to be that six are in that group, in order from west to east: UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, UNC, and Duke.

Who belongs in the next tier, and the one after, and so on?

Going completely off the top of my head, without looking at win totals, win percentages, Final Four totals, whatever, I would throw in these schools in the almost-blue blood category:

UConn
Villanova
Louisville
Syracuse
Michigan State
Michigan
Arizona

Then below that tier:

Cincinnati
Memphis
Georgetown
Maryland
Virginia
Ohio State
Wisconsin?

Beyond that, it gets less clear.

Again these aren't listed in order, nor am I dead set on the list. Just curious about others' opinions.

I think Indiana has lost their blue-blood status. They have been mostly irrelevant since well before Knight left except for a fluke run under Mike Davis. UCONN deserves to be at the top of the second tier, even though at least one, maybe two of their titles are flukish. Louisville and Michigan state would be 3rd and fourth in my second tier. I'd put Florida in the third tier. They've won 2 titles but it was one team back to back, with one coach. You measure an elite program by championship numbers, with how many coaches, over how long a time
My picks, in order, except best of the rest..

Tier one: Kentucky, Duke, UCLA, UNC, Kansas

Tier two: UCONN, Indiana, Louisville, Michigan St, Villanova, NC State

Tier three: Syracuse, Michigan, Florida, Arizona

Best of the rest: Cincinnati, Memphis, Georgetown, Maryland, Virginia, Ohio State

Pretty good pairing of top 3 tiers, but Marquette needs to be up there.
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(09-14-2020 08:42 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 08:30 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Highest winning percentage in NCAA tournament competition (minimum 30 wins):

First tier:
Duke, UNC, UCLA, Kentucky and Florida (all over 70%)

Second tier:
Kansas, Michigan, Michigan State, Connecticut and Indiana (66%-70%)

Third tier:
Ohio State, Villanova, UNLV, Louisville, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Arizona, Georgetown, UVA and Maryland (61%-64% winning percentage)

If Kansas and Florida would flip, this would be a perfect list.

NCAA % inflates schools who miss the NCAA Tournament.

Switch NCAA % with NCAA wins and you get the blueblood list you're looking for:

I
Kentucky 131
UNC 126
Duke 115
Kansas 108
UCLA 106

II
Louisville 76
Michigan St 69
Syracuse 68
Indiana 66
Villanova 65

III
Michigan 61
UConn 59
Ohio St 57
Arizona 56
Florida 50

I agree with this - this would be pretty close to my tiers as well
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A little different set of stats-sorted by NCAA bids with number of sweet 16s, eliete 8s, final 4s and championships. Roughly a top 50. It includes almost all the schools people are mentioning in this thread. Texas is #11 in tourney appearances. They had a long run under Rick Barnes. Marquette is tied for 12th and top 15 in sweet 16s. Ohio St., Michigan, NCSU and Florida are pretty well down the list.

Bids by school Sweet 16 elite 8 final 4 Champs
# School # # # #
1 58 Kentucky[2] 44 38 17 8
2 50 North Carolina 34 28 20 6
3 48 Kansas 31 24 15 3
4 47 UCLA[3] 33 21 17 11
5 43 Duke 31 22 16 5
6 40 Syracuse[4][5] 23 10 6 1
7 39 Indiana 22 11 8 5
7 39 Louisville[6] 24 11 8 2
9 38 Villanova[7] 17 13 5 3
10 36 Notre Dame 17 7 1
11 34 Texas 10 7 3
12 33 Arizona[8] 19 11 4 1
12 33 Cincinnati 13 8 6 2
12 33 Marquette[9] 16 7 3 1
12 33 Michigan State 20 14 10 2
12 33 Temple 7 8 2
17 32 Arkansas 11 10 6 1
17 32 Oklahoma 10 9 5
17 32 UConn[10] 17 11 5 4
20 31 Kansas State 17 13 4
21 30 Georgetown 11 9 5 1
21 30 Illinois 11 9 5
21 30 Purdue[11] 12 5 2
24 29 BYU 7 3
24 29 Ohio State[12] 14 14 10 1
24 29 St. John's[13] 9 6 2
24 29 Utah 16 6 4 1
24 29 West Virginia 11 3 2
29 28 Oklahoma State 11 11 6 2
29 28 Xavier 8 3
31 27 Maryland[14] 14 4 2 1
32 26 Iowa 8 4 3
32 26 Missouri[15] 6 4
32 26 Pittsburgh 7 3 1
35 25 North Carolina State[16] 11 6 3 2
35 25 Princeton 6 1 1
35 25 Michigan[17] 15 13 6 1
38 24 Penn 5 3 1
38 24 Wisconsin 10 6 4 1
40 23 Virginia 10 7 3 1
40 23 Wake Forest 9 6 1
42 22 [a] Gonzaga 10 4 1
42 22 LSU 10 6 4
42 22 [b] New Mexico State[19] 4 1 1
42 22 Tennessee 8 1
42 22 Western Kentucky[20] 6 1
43 21 [c] Utah State 3 2
43 21 Creighton 3 1
43 21 Houston 11 5 5
46 20 Alabama[21] 7 1
46 20 Florida[22] 10 9 5 2
46 20 Iowa State 5 2 1
46 20 Memphis[23] 6 4 1
46 20 Providence 5 4 2
46 20 Saint Joseph's[24] 6 2
46 20 UNLV 10 5 4 1
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I remember reading a couple years ago that an overwhelming % of the McDonald's All-Americans went to 5 schools. That would indicate that only blue schools are blue bloods-UK, UNC, Duke, KU, UCLA. That would put IU in that second tier.
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Seems to me that most of you are primarily emphasizing NCAA Tournament success for your tier placements.

I look at many other metrics, including fan support/attendance, history of big-name coaches, players sent to the NBA, NIT history, heated rivalries for said program, well-known home arena, popularity with the general public/marketing/merchandising/brand, big wins on TV and recruiting successes.
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I really wish that Indiana guard I believe his name was Kieth smart would had missed that miracle buzzer shot or if Derek Coleman could could hit free throws. Syracuse would have 2 Natties, SU dominated that game against Indiana. ??
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(09-14-2020 01:21 PM)PusherT Wrote:  I really wish that Indiana guard I believe his name was Kieth smart would had missed that miracle buzzer shot or if Derek Coleman could could hit free throws. Syracuse would have 2 Natties, SU dominated that game against Indiana. ??


I began following Indiana basketball staring at the beginning of the 1986-87 season, as my brother told the family in late 1986 he would be Bloomington bound to attend college.

I watched the entire 1987 title game. Syracuse was every bit as deserving of winning that game as IU. But to say the Cuse "dominated" ... The box score proves you wrong. It was a very even game statistically and simply came down to the last shot.
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My tiers - feel free to to criticize. My criteria was based upon historical NCAA Tournament success, historically sustained tournament success and historical overall number of bids. This is not a present ranking of where programs are today, which would obviously not be the same reflection.

Blue Bloods - Duke, UNC, Kentucky, UCLA, Kansas

Elites - Arizona, UConn, Indiana, Louisville, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Syracuse, Villanova

Upper Class - Arkansas, Cincinnati, Florida, Georgetown, Gonzaga, Illinois, Kansas State, Marquette, Maryland, NC State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, OK State, Texas, Virginia, Wisconsin

Upper Middle Class - Butler, California, Houston, Iowa, LSU, Memphis, Oregon, Pittsburgh, Providence, Purdue, Stanford, Seton Hall, St. John's, Temple, UNLV, USC, Utah, Wake Forest, Washington, West Virginia

Rising Class - Alabama, Arizona State, Baylor, Boston College, BYU, Clemson, Colorado, Creighton, Dayton, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Iowa State, Miami, Minnesota, Missouri, St. Joseph, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Utah State, VCU, Wichita State, Xavier

Middle Class - UAB, Auburn, Charlotte, Davidson, Georgia, LaSalle, Loyola-IL, UMass, Miami (OH), Mississippi, Mississippi State, Oregon State, New Mexico State, Northern Iowa, Penn State, Rhode Island, Richmond, Rutgers, Saint Louis, San Diego State, San Francisco, SMU, St. Mary's, South Carolina, Tulsa, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, Washington State

Lower Middle Class - Ball State, Bradley, Buffalo, Central Michigan, Drake, Duquesne, EMU, Fordham, George Mason, George Washington, Kent State, LMU, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio, Pepperdine, Santa Clara, Southern Illinois, St. Bonaventure, TCU, Toledo, Valparaiso, Western Michigan

Out of respect for Lower Class and Basement-level programs, I will just stop there. But you get the idea...
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(09-13-2020 04:59 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Another thread delved into a conversation about college basketball "blue bloods." The general consensus seems to be that six are in that group, in order from west to east: UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, UNC, and Duke.

Who belongs in the next tier, and the one after, and so on?

Going completely off the top of my head, without looking at win totals, win percentages, Final Four totals, whatever, I would throw in these schools in the almost-blue blood category:

UConn
Villanova
Louisville
Syracuse
Michigan State
Michigan
Arizona

Then below that tier:

Cincinnati
Memphis
Georgetown
Maryland
Virginia
Ohio State
Wisconsin?

Beyond that, it gets less clear.

Again these aren't listed in order, nor am I dead set on the list. Just curious about others' opinions.

Rankings of the teams on your list and some of the top teams from other lists, above, based on both the number of teams that finished in the Final AP Top 20, and the first year when the school had a final top 20 team is one way to compare the teams' "blue blood" status:

Tier 1 ("Blue Bloods;" 30+ Final AP Top 20 MBB teams):

UNC (50 seasons since 1956)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch...-carolina/

Duke (47 seasons since 1952)

UCLA (44 seasons since 1949)

Kansas (44 seasons since 1950)

Kentucky (43 seasons since 1949)

Louisville (33 seasons, since 1952)

.

Tier 2 ("Elites;" 20-29 Final AP Top 20 MBB teams):

Indiana (27 seasons since 1950)

Syracuse (27 seasons since 1973)

Arizona (26 seasons, since 1948)

Syracuse (26 seasons, since 1973)

Michigan State (24 seasons, since 1957)

Villanova (23 seasons, since 1949)

Cincinnati (23 seasons, since 1951)

Notre Dame (23 seasons, since 1953)

Maryland (23 seasons, since 1954)

Ohio State (22 seasons, since 1949)

Michigan (22 seasons, since 1964)

Marquette
(20 seasons, since 1955)

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Tier 3 ("Upper Class;" schools with 10-19 Final AP Top 20 MBB teams):

Purdue (19 seasons, since 1955)

NC State (17 seasons, since 1949)

Wake Forest (16 seasons, since 1953)

St. John's (15 seasons, since 1950)

Memphis (15 seasons, since 1957)

Georgetown (15 seasons, since 1980)

UConn (15 seasons, since 1989)

Wisconsin (14 seasons, since 1950)

UNLV (14 seasons since 1975)

Virginia (13 seasons, since 1972)

Pitt (13 seasons, since 1974)

Bradley (!) (12 seasons, since 1949)

Tennessee (!) (12 seasons, since 1967)

Florida State (!) (11 seasons, since 1970)

Texas (!) (11 seasons, since 1978)

Gonzaga (11 seasons, since 2002)

Western Kentucky (!) (10 seasons, since 1949)

BYU (10 seasons, since 1951)

DePaul (10 seasons, since 1953)

LSU (!) (10 seasons, since 1953)

.

Tier 4 ("Upper Middle;" schools with 5-10 Final AP Top 20 MBB teams):

San Francisco (!) (9 seasons, since 1949)

Minnesota (9 seasons, since 1949)

Vanderbilt (9 seasons, since 1955)

Dayton (8 seasons, since 1950)

Seton Hall (8 seasons, since 1952)

Temple (8 seasons, since 1956)

Wichita State (8 seasons, since 1963)

Houston (8 seasons, since 1967)

Xavier (8 seasons, since 1988)

Stanford (8 seasons, since 1988)

Duquesne (!) (7 seasons, since 1950)

Oregon State (7 seasons, since 1955)

Auburn (!) (7 seasons, since 1958)

Georgia Tech (!) (7 seasons, since 1960)

Iowa State (!) (7 seasons, since 1995)

LaSalle (6 seasons, since 1950)

Seattle (!) (6 seasons, since 1952)

St. Bonaventure (!) (6 seasons, since 1952)

Boston College (6 seasons, since 1967)

Penn (6 seasons, since 1970)

Tulsa (!) (5 seasons, since 1955)

St. Joseph's (PA) (5 seasons, since 1959)

Providence (5 seasons, since 1960)

Davidson (5 seasons, since 1964)

Drake (!) (5 seasons since 1969)

Texas Tech (!) (5 seasons, since 1976)

UMass (5 seasons, since 1992)

Baylor (!) (5 seasons, since 2010)

.

Tier 5 ("Middle;" schools with 1-4 Final AP Top 20 MBB teams):

Colorado (4 seasons, since 1955)

SMU (4 seasons, since 1956)

California (4 seasons, since 1957)

UTEP (4 seasons, since 1966)

Princeton (4 seasons, since 1967)

Clemson (!) (4 seasons, since 1987)

Miami (!) (4 seasons, since 1999)

Creighton (4 seasons, since 2003)

Butler (3 seasons, since 1949)

TCU (3 seasons, since 1959)

Utah State (3 seasons, since 1960)

George Washington (3 seasons, since 1954)

New Mexico State (3 seasons, since 1969)

Bowling Green (!) (2 seasons, since 1949)

Washington State (2 seasons, since 1950)

Santa Clara (!) (2 seasons, since 1953)

Niagara (!) (2 seasons, since 1954)

Penn State (!) (2 seasons, since 1954)

NYU (!) (2 seasons, since 1960)

Rutgers (2 seasons, since 1976)

Detroit (2 seasons, since 1977)

Mississippi (!) (2 seasons, since 1998)

Texas A&M (!) (2 seasons, since 2007)

Loyola (IL) (1 season 1949)

Tulane (1 season 1949)

Yale (1 season 1949)

LIU (1 season 1950)

Siena (1 season 1951)

St. Mary's (1 season 1959)

Fordham (1 season 1971)

Marshall (1 season 1972)

Pepperdine (1 season 1976)

Charlotte (1 season 1977)

VMI (1 season 1977)

Indiana State (1 season 1979)

Iona (1 season 1980)

Idaho (!) (1 season 1982)

VCU (!) (1 season 1985)

Navy (1 season 1986)

Loyola Marymount (1 season 1988)

Nebraska (!) (1 season 1991)

Southern Illinois (1 season 1991)

Northern Iowa (1 season, 2015)

SUNY-Buffalo (1 season 2019)

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Tier 6 (Some schools with no Final AP Top 20 MBB teams):

Army

Boise State

Brown

Colorado State

Cornell (!)

Dartmouth

Furman

Harvard (!)

Hawaii

James Madison

Maine

Manhattan

Marist

New Hampshire

Northeastern

Northwestern (!)

Rice

Richmond

URI

Valparaiso

Wagner

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NOTE: These lists include some randomly selected schools, and are not comprehensive.
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(09-14-2020 01:21 PM)PusherT Wrote:  I really wish that Indiana guard I believe his name was Kieth smart would had missed that miracle buzzer shot or if Derek Coleman could could hit free throws. Syracuse would have 2 Natties, SU dominated that game against Indiana. ??

Been carrying that thought for a while now? Time to get over it.
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(09-14-2020 01:21 PM)PusherT Wrote:  I really wish that Indiana guard I believe his name was Kieth smart would had missed that miracle buzzer shot or if Derek Coleman could could hit free throws. Syracuse would have 2 Natties, SU dominated that game against Indiana. ??

Been carrying that thought for a while now? Time to get over it.

And Indiana had one of the great college basketball teams of all time in 1975. But they lost in the ME finals by 2 to Kentucky who they had beat by 28 earlier in the season. That was their only loss in 2 years. Kentucky appeared on their way to the title after that, but John Wooden announced his retirement just before the final and that motivated his team to win the final.
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