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RE: B1G to kickoff football October 17 - Milwaukee Journal
(09-14-2020 09:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  
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(09-14-2020 09:40 AM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  South Carolina might be playing for a conference championship, but Clemson could be? What would Clemson get out of playing the game this year if they are going to be in the hunt to win the ACC and national title?

I simply do not get the whiny butthurt about SC vs Clemson being canceled. Other rivalries that are at least as venerable have been canceled and nobody is whining, everyone understands it's a unique year.

What's doubly-surprising is that most of the complaining is coming from the SC side, not the Clemson side. Why are Gamecocks so eager to get plastered by 30 again?

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No other school outside the ACC is losing their biggest rivalry game.

What's special about "outside the ACC"?

E.g., Notre Dame has lost both their USC and Navy games. Not much whining.
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(09-13-2020 04:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 02:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I’ll wait to believe it will actually happen. I’m sorry but there is political implications involved in that decision. No word on the PAC ?

The PAC is handcuffed by the liberal crazies who run California.

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(09-14-2020 07:43 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  
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(09-14-2020 05:25 AM)schmolik Wrote:  If we're going to play the game of Nebraska and Ohio State should be allowed to play individual seasons on their own and screw the Big Ten, then South Carolina should go call Clemson right now and they should play this Saturday, screw Citadel. If individual Big Ten teams should be able to go against the wishes of their conference for their own personal gain, so should individual SEC teams. If you or the SEC have a problem with that, it's a double standard. The Big Ten teams should be able to do what they want but SEC teams have to all fall in line to what the conference says or they're all one big happy family?

IMO there's a difference here. The SEC has rational reasons for wanting uniformity with regard to playing OOC games (in this case, no such games). The presence of an OOC game on the schedules of some teams but not others could reduce flexibility if conference games have to be postponed, which we've already seen a couple times with conferences that are already playing, and you can't have uniformity in virus protocols across all your games because you can't control what the OOC team does. You may agree or disagree with those reasons, but they are rational.

But I don't see any rational reason for the B1G saying that no teams can play. If Nebraska, Ohio State and Iowa want to cobble together a season with games against each other and non-B1G schools, how does that impact the 11 schools that choose not to play? It doesn't. That seemed like a pure control-power move by those not playing, as in "if we think we can't play then you can't play either", spiteful, not rational.

No rational reason other than wanting to ensure all fourteen schools were available to compete in a Spring (or October 17th, apparently) season, you mean?

So does that mean they can play now if they also agree to play in the Spring?

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RE: B1G to kickoff football October 17 - Milwaukee Journal
(09-14-2020 10:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 09:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 09:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 09:40 AM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  South Carolina might be playing for a conference championship, but Clemson could be? What would Clemson get out of playing the game this year if they are going to be in the hunt to win the ACC and national title?

I simply do not get the whiny butthurt about SC vs Clemson being canceled. Other rivalries that are at least as venerable have been canceled and nobody is whining, everyone understands it's a unique year.

What's doubly-surprising is that most of the complaining is coming from the SC side, not the Clemson side. Why are Gamecocks so eager to get plastered by 30 again?

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No other school outside the ACC is losing their biggest rivalry game.

What's special about "outside the ACC"?

E.g., Notre Dame has lost both their USC and Navy games. Not much whining.

USC isn't playing. Navy isn't a rivalry, just a game they play every year. As for Louisville, Clemson, Georgia Tech and FSU, the ACC did it to themselves by unilaterally cancelling several games vs. the SEC.
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RE: B1G to kickoff football October 17 - Milwaukee Journal
(09-14-2020 09:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 09:40 AM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  South Carolina might be playing for a conference championship, but Clemson could be? What would Clemson get out of playing the game this year if they are going to be in the hunt to win the ACC and national title?

I simply do not get the whiny butthurt about SC vs Clemson being canceled. Other rivalries that are at least as venerable have been canceled and nobody is whining, everyone understands it's a unique year.

What's doubly-surprising is that most of the complaining is coming from the SC side, not the Clemson side. Why are Gamecocks so eager to get plastered by 30 again?

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I realize this isn’t going to explain it to your satisfaction but it’s the most important game of the season for both schools.

Just because it doesn’t get the national attention of others doesn’t mean it is any less heated than Ohio St/Mich or Auburn/Alabama within the state.

I haven’t even brought it up in over a month, but the other poster mentioned it and I felt compelled to jump in and offer my perspective
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The football 3 should have told the Big 10 to pound sand and dare the conference to kick them out

Too many people are afraid of conflict these days
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https://twitter.com/dpshow/status/1305507023950417922

Dan Patrick:
DP on B1G: "The Presidents and Chancellors will vote today. Mich. probably not going to play, Mich. St. not going to play, Maryland's probably [won't] play. But you're going to get Nebraska, Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, Ohio St. Wisconsin wants to play but may not be able to."


So, based on this, a double round robin with Ohio State, Indiana, Purdue, Iowa, and Nebraska would be eight games.

This would provide some income from the networks and keep the B1G dirty laundry out of court.
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RE: B1G to kickoff football October 17 - Milwaukee Journal
(09-14-2020 09:55 AM)schmolik Wrote:  1) Clemson isn't banned from playing South Carolina this year.

Right. It was South Carolina which was banned by the SEC from playing any non-conference opponents.

Also impacts Florida, Georgia and Kentucky - but the only SEC team losing a HOME game is Georgia.
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i just hope they do vote today..yes or no.. BIG fans are getting really annoying (I know, it's been like this) on twitter and FB sports pages. Just want it to end one way or the other
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I guess they want to be able to play in this year's Orange Bowl
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RE: B1G to kickoff football October 17 - Milwaukee Journal
(09-14-2020 09:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 09:40 AM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  South Carolina might be playing for a conference championship, but Clemson could be? What would Clemson get out of playing the game this year if they are going to be in the hunt to win the ACC and national title?

I simply do not get the whiny butthurt about SC vs Clemson being canceled. Other rivalries that are at least as venerable have been canceled and nobody is whining, everyone understands it's a unique year.

What's doubly-surprising is that most of the complaining is coming from the SC side, not the Clemson side. Why are Gamecocks so eager to get plastered by 30 again?

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Because it is THE game in South Carolina.
Look the people in south carolina aren't very smart.....they put mustard in their BBQ for Pete's sake.....but that football game, to them, is every bit the equal to the Duke /Carolina basketball game.
Like I said, the aren't very smart and can't understand the magnitude of the Duke/Carolina game.
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RE: B1G to kickoff football October 17 - Milwaukee Journal
(09-14-2020 05:25 AM)schmolik Wrote:  If we're going to play the game of Nebraska and Ohio State should be allowed to play individual seasons on their own and screw the Big Ten, then South Carolina should go call Clemson right now and they should play this Saturday, screw Citadel. If individual Big Ten teams should be able to go against the wishes of their conference for their own personal gain, so should individual SEC teams. If you or the SEC have a problem with that, it's a double standard. The Big Ten teams should be able to do what they want but SEC teams have to all fall in line to what the conference says or they're all one big happy family?

The problem with that is the fact South Carolina doesn't want to play Clemson this year and suffer yet another beatdown. Sure, they voted to play one OOC game, but that was a vote to save political face when the outcome was already decided.
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(09-14-2020 02:18 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 09:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 09:40 AM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  South Carolina might be playing for a conference championship, but Clemson could be? What would Clemson get out of playing the game this year if they are going to be in the hunt to win the ACC and national title?

I simply do not get the whiny butthurt about SC vs Clemson being canceled. Other rivalries that are at least as venerable have been canceled and nobody is whining, everyone understands it's a unique year.

What's doubly-surprising is that most of the complaining is coming from the SC side, not the Clemson side. Why are Gamecocks so eager to get plastered by 30 again?

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Because it is THE game in South Carolina.
Look the people in south carolina aren't very smart.....they put mustard in their BBQ for Pete's sake.....but that football game, to them, is every bit the equal to the Duke /Carolina basketball game.
Like I said, the aren't very smart and can't understand the magnitude of the Duke/Carolina game.

It is to SC what FSU-Florida is to FL.
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(09-14-2020 02:22 PM)whittx Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 02:18 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 09:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 09:40 AM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  South Carolina might be playing for a conference championship, but Clemson could be? What would Clemson get out of playing the game this year if they are going to be in the hunt to win the ACC and national title?

I simply do not get the whiny butthurt about SC vs Clemson being canceled. Other rivalries that are at least as venerable have been canceled and nobody is whining, everyone understands it's a unique year.

What's doubly-surprising is that most of the complaining is coming from the SC side, not the Clemson side. Why are Gamecocks so eager to get plastered by 30 again?

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Because it is THE game in South Carolina.
Look the people in south carolina aren't very smart.....they put mustard in their BBQ for Pete's sake.....but that football game, to them, is every bit the equal to the Duke /Carolina basketball game.
Like I said, the aren't very smart and can't understand the magnitude of the Duke/Carolina game.

It is to SC what FSU-Florida is to FL.

He's a UNC fan, you have to provide pictures as they are all football ignorant.
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(09-14-2020 02:22 PM)whittx Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 02:18 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 09:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 09:40 AM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  South Carolina might be playing for a conference championship, but Clemson could be? What would Clemson get out of playing the game this year if they are going to be in the hunt to win the ACC and national title?

I simply do not get the whiny butthurt about SC vs Clemson being canceled. Other rivalries that are at least as venerable have been canceled and nobody is whining, everyone understands it's a unique year.

What's doubly-surprising is that most of the complaining is coming from the SC side, not the Clemson side. Why are Gamecocks so eager to get plastered by 30 again?

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Because it is THE game in South Carolina.
Look the people in south carolina aren't very smart.....they put mustard in their BBQ for Pete's sake.....but that football game, to them, is every bit the equal to the Duke /Carolina basketball game.
Like I said, the aren't very smart and can't understand the magnitude of the Duke/Carolina game.

It is to SC what FSU-Florida is to FL.

Florida and FSU is a big rivalry that will not be played this but they aren't whining about it like SC is whining about Clemson.

Like I said, other big rivalry games have been canceled, but nobody is whining. Only SC/Clemson.
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No way OSU can be considered for anything without PSU/UM/MSU on the schedule. Round robin with Iowa and UN, sweep and call it a day? If that’s the case the season will not happen, because OSU will have no chance for a national title. SEC West Runner up is much more likely if record is equal. Hell even undefeated OSU is questionable under those circumstances. If that’s the case, it’s basically an NFL developmental league independent from anything else college football.

I would schedule 6 conference games and two flex weeks if Texas or OU become available for some odd reshuffling midseason in the schedules.
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(09-14-2020 10:50 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The football 3 should have told the Big 10 to pound sand and dare the conference to kick them out

Too many people are afraid of conflict these days

Theyre cowards. Or maybe, just maybe they arent truly committed to playing.
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Indiana will not play because they saw what happened to one of their players with the virus. Wisconsin will not play either, and neither will Penn. State. It will be 11-3 again on not playing this fall.
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So will Iowa restore the sports they announced they were dropping??
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RE: B1G to kickoff football October 17 - Milwaukee Journal
(09-14-2020 05:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 02:22 PM)whittx Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 02:18 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 09:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 09:40 AM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  South Carolina might be playing for a conference championship, but Clemson could be? What would Clemson get out of playing the game this year if they are going to be in the hunt to win the ACC and national title?

I simply do not get the whiny butthurt about SC vs Clemson being canceled. Other rivalries that are at least as venerable have been canceled and nobody is whining, everyone understands it's a unique year.

What's doubly-surprising is that most of the complaining is coming from the SC side, not the Clemson side. Why are Gamecocks so eager to get plastered by 30 again?

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Because it is THE game in South Carolina.
Look the people in south carolina aren't very smart.....they put mustard in their BBQ for Pete's sake.....but that football game, to them, is every bit the equal to the Duke /Carolina basketball game.
Like I said, the aren't very smart and can't understand the magnitude of the Duke/Carolina game.

It is to SC what FSU-Florida is to FL.

Florida and FSU is a big rivalry that will not be played this but they aren't whining about it like SC is whining about Clemson.

Like I said, other big rivalry games have been canceled, but nobody is whining. Only SC/Clemson.

I think the big issue there is most other schools have secondary and tertiary rivals but South Carolina and Clemson really don't. UGA/Clemson is big but very sporadic. SC/Georgia and FSU/Clemson are being played, but aren't nearly as important.

On the other hand UF has UGA which is nearly as big as the FSU rivalry and UGA has Auburn and UF. Kentucky/Louisville isn't a big deal. The Big Ten and Pac 12 are cancelled altogether so people that are angry are angry at the larger issue there.

But in the this case you have both schools playing basically full schedules, both want to play each other, and one was told that they aren't allowed to by their conference. As far as I can tell, that's unique among all the other big rivalries that have been cancelled.
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