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LOL! Why would anyone ask that guy that question?

The questions should be, what is your defense? Do you expect to spend long in jail?
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(09-13-2020 10:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  LOL! Why would anyone ask that guy that question?

The questions should be, what is your defense? Do you expect to spend long in jail?



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And I should care what that miserable little worm thinks... why?
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All this Russia, Russia, Russia talk is distracting us from the real problem--China. Russia can probably barely defend itself from Western Europe, as weak as they are, and in the next decade they start to run out of 20-somethings to man the Russian Army.

We are in Cold War II, like it or not, and the enemy is China. And while we are still trying--unsuccessfully--to impose our will militarily on the Mideast, China is building power economically--Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Africa, and now entering South America. Ross Perot said something in 1992 that I believed long before he said it, "In the post-Cold-War world, economic power will be more important than military power." China has figured that out. We haven't.

China is running out of 20-somethings too, as a result of the one child policy. But having a shortage of 20-somethings in a population of 1.5 billion is very different from doing it in a population of 150 million. And they have some real weaknesses. They are a collection of folks who don't like each other--the warlike north doesn't get along well with the commercial Yangtze Valley, and neither get along with the Cantonese south, not to mention Tibet and the Uighurs in the west. Their solution has been to export cheap consumer goods and use the cash to finance make work projects with no economic value (like the empty cities) in order to keep people too busy to have time to revolt. That falls apart very quickly if they can't import oil from the Mideast, and until somebody figures out how to build a pipeline across the Himalayas, that requires a sea route through the Straits of Hormuz, around India, through the Straits of Malacca or otherwise through Indonesia, and across the South China Sea. They are developing a relationship with Iran and building "islands" in the SCS to cover the ends, but if we build alliances with India and Indonesia, they can't protect the middle.

We won Cold War I because Truman bribed up an alliance to stop the Soviets in Western Europe, and Reagan put pressure on their economy to crash it. We can do the same thing with China, but we need to get busy.
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(09-13-2020 11:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  All this Russia, Russia, Russia talk is distracting us from the real problem--China.

That's the point. That's the point of covid. That's the point of the riots. That's the point of everything that's happened this year.
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(09-13-2020 12:44 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 11:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  All this Russia, Russia, Russia talk is distracting us from the real problem--China.

That's the point. That's the point of covid. That's the point of the riots. That's the point of everything that's happened this year.

Muh flatten the curve was a huge lie. They want misery. They want control. They wanna blame Trump. Its gonna be a daily attack. False claims on the front page, retractions on page 12.

Same old shite. The weak and simple minded will fall for it.

Brietbart was right.
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(09-13-2020 12:44 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 11:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  All this Russia, Russia, Russia talk is distracting us from the real problem--China.

That's the point. That's the point of covid. That's the point of the riots. That's the point of everything that's happened this year.

Exactly, the Chicoms were/are hopeful that the chiflu would create a crisis in the US that would even out our economies to theirs. They know that Trump was really doing a great job in creating jobs and unlifting our economy and that they would be left out in the cold since Trump is bringing those jobs that left to China but are now returning.

It's like if with this covid crisis a major team takes out their best players because they get sick and have to use their subs to play mediocre teams, there is a chance the middling teams could win. The US is the major team and China the mediocre one.

I must be missing football as I realized that I'm making more sports related metaphors. LOL
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Id punch Strzok in the nuts if I ever happen to see him.

Guy exudes dickeheadedness.

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(09-14-2020 07:09 PM)maximus Wrote:  Id punch Strzok in the nuts if I ever happen to see him.

Guy exudes dickeheadedness.

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That smirk he had on his face when called to testify in front of congress is my memory of his arrogance. Like Jim Comey, he thinks of himself as one of the good guys when he is a real POS.
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(09-14-2020 07:39 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 07:09 PM)maximus Wrote:  Id punch Strzok in the nuts if I ever happen to see him.

Guy exudes dickeheadedness.

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That smirk he had on his face when called to testify in front of congress is my memory of his arrogance. Like Jim Comey, he thinks of himself as one of the good guys when he is a real POS.
He is one of those dicks in high school who would have bullied kids and us jocks would have hung hum up in the locker room by his BVDs

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(09-13-2020 11:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  All this Russia, Russia, Russia talk is distracting us from the real problem--China. Russia can probably barely defend itself from Western Europe, as weak as they are, and in the next decade they start to run out of 20-somethings to man the Russian Army.

We are in Cold War II, like it or not, and the enemy is China. And while we are still trying--unsuccessfully--to impose our will militarily on the Mideast, China is building power economically--Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Africa, and now entering South America. Ross Perot said something in 1992 that I believed long before he said it, "In the post-Cold-War world, economic power will be more important than military power." China has figured that out. We haven't.

China is running out of 20-somethings too, as a result of the one child policy. But having a shortage of 20-somethings in a population of 1.5 billion is very different from doing it in a population of 150 million. And they have some real weaknesses. They are a collection of folks who don't like each other--the warlike north doesn't get along well with the commercial Yangtze Valley, and neither get along with the Cantonese south, not to mention Tibet and the Uighurs in the west. Their solution has been to export cheap consumer goods and use the cash to finance make work projects with no economic value (like the empty cities) in order to keep people too busy to have time to revolt. That falls apart very quickly if they can't import oil from the Mideast, and until somebody figures out how to build a pipeline across the Himalayas, that requires a sea route through the Straits of Hormuz, around India, through the Straits of Malacca or otherwise through Indonesia, and across the South China Sea. They are developing a relationship with Iran and building "islands" in the SCS to cover the ends, but if we build alliances with India and Indonesia, they can't protect the middle.

We won Cold War I because Truman bribed up an alliance to stop the Soviets in Western Europe, and Reagan put pressure on their economy to crash it. We can do the same thing with China, but we need to get busy.

Here's a crazy question Owl. If China is leveraging themselves now world wide...Is that not a threat to the old Soviet block and specifically Russia and do we need to figure out to engage it now?
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Strzok is a pencil necked geek with zero credibility.
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(09-14-2020 08:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Here's a crazy question Owl. If China is leveraging themselves now world wide...Is that not a threat to the old Soviet block and specifically Russia and do we need to figure out to engage it now?

That was kinda Tom Clancy's premise in "The Bear and the Dragon."
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(09-14-2020 08:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 08:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Here's a crazy question Owl. If China is leveraging themselves now world wide...Is that not a threat to the old Soviet block and specifically Russia and do we need to figure out to engage it now?

That was kinda Tom Clancy's premise in "The Bear and the Dragon."

Personally...Im fine with letting Russia eventually implode upon itself..but..there is that pesky issue of nuclear weapons and who controls them. Putin and the old guard know the nukes are a zero sum game and really can't be used. Imagine what could happen if they fell into the wrong hands of those in the old Soviet block that worship Allah and have no problem dying and being rewarded with 72 virgins? Maybe for that reason only it might be in our best interests...regardless of how distasteful to keep our enemy very close. It is of course a scenario that has been played out dozens of times in history. Enemy becoming ally is nothing new.
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Storzk never heard the story of the boy who cried wolf.

Most Democrats follow the Garak formula. Just watching Star Trek Deep Space 9. Garak (the Cardassian-no relation to Kim- who lies all the time) asks Dr. Bashir why noone believes him. Dr. Bashir tells him the story of the boy who cried wolf. He says the moral of the story is that if you lie all the time, noone will believe you even if you are telling the truth. Garak asks him if he's sure that is the moral. "I thought the moral was, never tell the same lie twice."
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Strozk has a mug that was made to be struck.
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(09-14-2020 08:52 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 08:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 08:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Here's a crazy question Owl. If China is leveraging themselves now world wide...Is that not a threat to the old Soviet block and specifically Russia and do we need to figure out to engage it now?

That was kinda Tom Clancy's premise in "The Bear and the Dragon."

Personally...Im fine with letting Russia eventually implode upon itself..but..there is that pesky issue of nuclear weapons and who controls them. Putin and the old guard know the nukes are a zero sum game and really can't be used. Imagine what could happen if they fell into the wrong hands of those in the old Soviet block that worship Allah and have no problem dying and being rewarded with 72 virgins? Maybe for that reason only it might be in our best interests...regardless of how distasteful to keep our enemy very close. It is of course a scenario that has been played out dozens of times in history. Enemy becoming ally is nothing new.

Which is why from a geopolitical POV, you want Putin around as his strategic goals are keeping Russia afloat. Doing that requires the maintenance and dismantling of the current stockpile.
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