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If you build it, he will come.
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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
(09-13-2020 06:59 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 11:33 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 11:21 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
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(09-12-2020 10:06 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We would claim the stadium is as good as the program. The fact is USA has decided to blindly invest in their program in hopes those investments will improve the product. We will eventually need to do the same.

I get what you’re saying, but perhaps when they started a program 10 years ago this was the idea all along. Eight miles is a long way from campus.

Our basketball team makes a similar drive to Fed Ex Forum.

True, but FedEx Forum is a state-of-the-art NBA arena with all the bells and whistles. Ladd-Peeples archaic and about to fall over.

I attended the game there last year. I was surprised how clean it was for an older stadium. I wouldn't say it's about to fall over. Much cleaner than Wrigley Field or Legion field.

I went to the Mobile Bowl back when Memphis played BGSU and thought the stadium was ok... certainly not about to be condemned like Legion Field in Birmingham was. The Liberty Bowl is a much better facility than Ladd Peoples, yet the Liberty Bowl is not an ideal stadium for the university... too big, aging & off campus. Im simply ready for the school to start acting in its best interest instead of being a pawn.
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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
Location of an on campus stadium should be tied into specific, agreed upon goals by University leadership:
- University Ownership
- P5 inclusion
- Attendee Experience
- Campus Pull Through (ie alums on campus property to see evolution of campus)
- Student Experience
- Integration of other University programs: Music, Band, Greek, ROTC, etc...
- Create/Foster traditions
- Collaborate/Support local businesses, economy (ie tie into Highland Strip)

QUESTION:
Is the MLG&W quality laboratory just east of campus and active or dormant facility? Part of the land could solve the issue with the Zach Curlin site right next to the library
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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
(09-13-2020 06:59 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 11:33 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 11:21 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 10:21 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 10:06 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We would claim the stadium is as good as the program. The fact is USA has decided to blindly invest in their program in hopes those investments will improve the product. We will eventually need to do the same.

I get what you’re saying, but perhaps when they started a program 10 years ago this was the idea all along. Eight miles is a long way from campus.

Our basketball team makes a similar drive to Fed Ex Forum.

True, but FedEx Forum is a state-of-the-art NBA arena with all the bells and whistles. Ladd-Peeples archaic and about to fall over.

I attended the game there last year. I was surprised how clean it was for an older stadium. I wouldn't say it's about to fall over. Much cleaner than Wrigley Field or Legion field.

A safety/structural report in 2016 gave it a D+ rating. They did some patchwork but the report didn't go public until 2018 when South Alabama began asking for money for an OCS. In 2018 it was estimated the stadium needed $6 million in deferred maintenance over the next five years and another $34 million over twenty years. Some wanted to tear it down, but it doesn’t sound like they know what to do with it.

The Senior Bowl has already announced plans to move to the USA campus stadium in 2021. The dominos are falling.
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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
(09-13-2020 01:32 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 06:59 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 11:33 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 11:21 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 10:21 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  I get what you’re saying, but perhaps when they started a program 10 years ago this was the idea all along. Eight miles is a long way from campus.

Our basketball team makes a similar drive to Fed Ex Forum.

True, but FedEx Forum is a state-of-the-art NBA arena with all the bells and whistles. Ladd-Peeples archaic and about to fall over.

I attended the game there last year. I was surprised how clean it was for an older stadium. I wouldn't say it's about to fall over. Much cleaner than Wrigley Field or Legion field.

A safety/structural report in 2016 gave it a D+ rating. They did some patchwork but the report didn't go public until 2018 when South Alabama began asking for money for an OCS. In 2018 it was estimated the stadium needed $6 million in deferred maintenance over the next five years and another $34 million over twenty years. Some wanted to tear it down, but it doesn’t sound like they know what to do with it.

The Senior Bowl has already announced plans to move to the USA campus stadium in 2021. The dominos are falling.

I know a guy who can make those repairs for less.
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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
(09-13-2020 03:44 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 01:32 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 06:59 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 11:33 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 11:21 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Our basketball team makes a similar drive to Fed Ex Forum.

True, but FedEx Forum is a state-of-the-art NBA arena with all the bells and whistles. Ladd-Peeples archaic and about to fall over.

I attended the game there last year. I was surprised how clean it was for an older stadium. I wouldn't say it's about to fall over. Much cleaner than Wrigley Field or Legion field.

A safety/structural report in 2016 gave it a D+ rating. They did some patchwork but the report didn't go public until 2018 when South Alabama began asking for money for an OCS. In 2018 it was estimated the stadium needed $6 million in deferred maintenance over the next five years and another $34 million over twenty years. Some wanted to tear it down, but it doesn’t sound like they know what to do with it.

The Senior Bowl has already announced plans to move to the USA campus stadium in 2021. The dominos are falling.

I know a guy who can make those repairs for less.

Lots of palms to grease, but I imagine the kickbacks were figured into the estimates.
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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
(09-13-2020 01:31 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  Location of an on campus stadium should be tied into specific, agreed upon goals by University leadership:
- University Ownership
- P5 inclusion
- Attendee Experience
- Campus Pull Through (ie alums on campus property to see evolution of campus)
- Student Experience
- Integration of other University programs: Music, Band, Greek, ROTC, etc...
- Create/Foster traditions
- Collaborate/Support local businesses, economy (ie tie into Highland Strip)

QUESTION:
Is the MLG&W quality laboratory just east of campus and active or dormant facility? Part of the land could solve the issue with the Zach Curlin site right next to the library

That is the site I liked when that report came out years (decades? centuries?) ago. The old "waterworks' site. It seems pretty much dormant, by appearances. Lots of underutilized space. Would not impact other projects on campus. Would require the city to deed over some land. Only thing I ever saw going on there was students laying out, throwing frisbees, and hitting pitching wedges. Granted that was 30 years ago.
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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
(09-12-2020 09:18 PM)Penny1 Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 08:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  only holds 25k though.

I want something like Louisville's stadium before all the capacity increases...it held 42k
[Image: papa-johns-cardinal-stadium-south-louisv...l-cobb.jpg]

put it here:
[Image: south-campus.jpg]

It will not fit in that square space.

For one thing, the Larry Finch memorial statue will be at the circle entrance.

Any future stadium will be at the golf course property.

People want to envision a OCS on the main campus, but there's no room.

The dimensions don't fit.

Realign Zach Curlin east to the property line, demolish 2 obsolete dormitory buildings, and there is plenty of room to build whatever you want.

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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
(09-14-2020 10:28 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 01:31 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  Location of an on campus stadium should be tied into specific, agreed upon goals by University leadership:
- University Ownership
- P5 inclusion
- Attendee Experience
- Campus Pull Through (ie alums on campus property to see evolution of campus)
- Student Experience
- Integration of other University programs: Music, Band, Greek, ROTC, etc...
- Create/Foster traditions
- Collaborate/Support local businesses, economy (ie tie into Highland Strip)

QUESTION:
Is the MLG&W quality laboratory just east of campus and active or dormant facility? Part of the land could solve the issue with the Zach Curlin site right next to the library

That is the site I liked when that report came out years (decades? centuries?) ago. The old "waterworks' site. It seems pretty much dormant, by appearances. Lots of underutilized space. Would not impact other projects on campus. Would require the city to deed over some land. Only thing I ever saw going on there was students laying out, throwing frisbees, and hitting pitching wedges. Granted that was 30 years ago.

Not so fast...that's the Sheahan Pumping Station and its still pulling drinking water out of the aquifer.

https://www.highgroundnews.com/features/...ation.aspx

Also I doubt the monied folks on Grandview would stand for a football stadium in their backyards.
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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
(09-12-2020 09:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 09:18 PM)Penny1 Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 08:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  only holds 25k though.

I want something like Louisville's stadium before all the capacity increases...it held 42k
[Image: papa-johns-cardinal-stadium-south-louisv...l-cobb.jpg]

put it here:
[Image: south-campus.jpg]

It will not fit in that square space.

For one thing, the Larry Finch memorial statue will be at the circle entrance.

Any future stadium will be at the golf course property.

People want to envision a OCS on the main campus, but there's no room.

The dimensions don't fit.

The 2007ish study that was commissioned found like 7 sites that were on or adjacent to the main campus that were viable. Commercial development in the adjacent space will have changed that somewhat, but it is still possible to put a stadium on the main campus.

The golf course or south campus are no better than the liberty bowl.

The Leary Report was commissioned by the OCS crowd and grossly misrepresented the facts to push for an OCS.

They point at Louisville as an example of a new stadium but leave out key details.

First Louisville was playing in a minor league baseball stadium and had a losing season.

Louisville had changed coaches the first year in the new stadium and the home crowds at the start of the season were about the same as the previous year.

Louisville hosted the governor's cup game that year against Kentucky which increased the average.

Louisville team was winning and the crowds did NOT drop off late in the season as it had in the past when they were losing.

It was the team winning and not the stadium which was responsible for the increase in attendance.

What many forget is that just because the footprint of a stadium will fit in a certain area does not mean that the infrastructure is in place for the stadium.

Electrical lines, water lines, gas lines and sewage will all have to be increased.

Not to mention the residential areas surrounding the south campus.

The one exit that will be available onto getwell could not begin to handle the traffic flow if by chance you had enough parking spots.

Even if traffic moved at the theoretical maximum(1,900 cars per hour per lane) you would be looking at at least 4 hours to move traffic out of the stadium after a game.

You know it will not move at maximum so a full stadium could see 6 to 8 hours of traffic jams.

On the main campus sites are no better when it comes to post game traffic flows.
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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
(09-15-2020 06:07 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 09:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 09:18 PM)Penny1 Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 08:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  only holds 25k though.

I want something like Louisville's stadium before all the capacity increases...it held 42k
[Image: papa-johns-cardinal-stadium-south-louisv...l-cobb.jpg]

put it here:
[Image: south-campus.jpg]

It will not fit in that square space.

For one thing, the Larry Finch memorial statue will be at the circle entrance.

Any future stadium will be at the golf course property.

People want to envision a OCS on the main campus, but there's no room.

The dimensions don't fit.

The 2007ish study that was commissioned found like 7 sites that were on or adjacent to the main campus that were viable. Commercial development in the adjacent space will have changed that somewhat, but it is still possible to put a stadium on the main campus.

The golf course or south campus are no better than the liberty bowl.

The Leary Report was commissioned by the OCS crowd and grossly misrepresented the facts to push for an OCS.

They point at Louisville as an example of a new stadium but leave out key details.

First Louisville was playing in a minor league baseball stadium and had a losing season.

Louisville had changed coaches the first year in the new stadium and the home crowds at the start of the season were about the same as the previous year.

Louisville hosted the governor's cup game that year against Kentucky which increased the average.

Louisville team was winning and the crowds did NOT drop off late in the season as it had in the past when they were losing.

It was the team winning and not the stadium which was responsible for the increase in attendance.

What many forget is that just because the footprint of a stadium will fit in a certain area does not mean that the infrastructure is in place for the stadium.

Electrical lines, water lines, gas lines and sewage will all have to be increased.

Not to mention the residential areas surrounding the south campus.

The one exit that will be available onto getwell could not begin to handle the traffic flow if by chance you had enough parking spots.

Even if traffic moved at the theoretical maximum(1,900 cars per hour per lane) you would be looking at at least 4 hours to move traffic out of the stadium after a game.

You know it will not move at maximum so a full stadium could see 6 to 8 hours of traffic jams.

On the main campus sites are no better when it comes to post game traffic flows.

It takes a full 2 hours to get out of Clemson. That has never stopped them.
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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
Louisville lucked into having a derelict steel mill next door that they could tear down and build a stadium on. They have also benefited from significant gentrification between the campus and Churchill Downs as industry has closed and been redeveloped residential. I remember driving past that area in the 1980s and it was scary.
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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
(09-14-2020 10:27 PM)CRM114 Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 10:28 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(09-13-2020 01:31 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  Location of an on campus stadium should be tied into specific, agreed upon goals by University leadership:
- University Ownership
- P5 inclusion
- Attendee Experience
- Campus Pull Through (ie alums on campus property to see evolution of campus)
- Student Experience
- Integration of other University programs: Music, Band, Greek, ROTC, etc...
- Create/Foster traditions
- Collaborate/Support local businesses, economy (ie tie into Highland Strip)

QUESTION:
Is the MLG&W quality laboratory just east of campus and active or dormant facility? Part of the land could solve the issue with the Zach Curlin site right next to the library

That is the site I liked when that report came out years (decades? centuries?) ago. The old "waterworks' site. It seems pretty much dormant, by appearances. Lots of underutilized space. Would not impact other projects on campus. Would require the city to deed over some land. Only thing I ever saw going on there was students laying out, throwing frisbees, and hitting pitching wedges. Granted that was 30 years ago.

Not so fast...that's the Sheahan Pumping Station and its still pulling drinking water out of the aquifer.

https://www.highgroundnews.com/features/...ation.aspx

Also I doubt the monied folks on Grandview would stand for a football stadium in their backyards.

I think there was a plan for the pumping station. But the space around it is absolutely under-utilized. The main station is to the east of the open area, and could probably be left alone. The (filtration?) towers to the west of the pumping station would have to be reconfigured.

But, yeah, Grandview was always going to be a concern. Once upon a time, Dr. Carpenter himself lived there. But there's only a small number of people to get upset. Any power brokers living there right now?
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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
(09-14-2020 12:06 PM)micman Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 09:18 PM)Penny1 Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 08:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  only holds 25k though.

I want something like Louisville's stadium before all the capacity increases...it held 42k
[Image: papa-johns-cardinal-stadium-south-louisv...l-cobb.jpg]

put it here:
[Image: south-campus.jpg]

It will not fit in that square space.

For one thing, the Larry Finch memorial statue will be at the circle entrance.

Any future stadium will be at the golf course property.

People want to envision a OCS on the main campus, but there's no room.

The dimensions don't fit.

Realign Zach Curlin east to the property line, demolish 2 obsolete dormitory buildings, and there is plenty of room to build whatever you want.

You'd probably have to integrate some housing/teaching space into either/both buildings to really make it make sense but I think its fun to think about. The idea of a gameday actually on campus is pretty cool to think about. I always wished we could keep the ellipse intact which could turn into Tiger Lane v2.0. A tiger fan can dream right?!
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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
(09-15-2020 03:00 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 12:06 PM)micman Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 09:18 PM)Penny1 Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 08:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  only holds 25k though.

I want something like Louisville's stadium before all the capacity increases...it held 42k
[Image: papa-johns-cardinal-stadium-south-louisv...l-cobb.jpg]

put it here:
[Image: south-campus.jpg]

It will not fit in that square space.

For one thing, the Larry Finch memorial statue will be at the circle entrance.

Any future stadium will be at the golf course property.

People want to envision a OCS on the main campus, but there's no room.

The dimensions don't fit.

Realign Zach Curlin east to the property line, demolish 2 obsolete dormitory buildings, and there is plenty of room to build whatever you want.

You'd probably have to integrate some housing/teaching space into either/both buildings to really make it make sense but I think its fun to think about. The idea of a gameday actually on campus is pretty cool to think about. I always wished we could keep the ellipse intact which could turn into Tiger Lane v2.0. A tiger fan can dream right?!

It fits if you realign Zach Curlin east to the property line (see attached map)
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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
(09-15-2020 04:34 PM)micman Wrote:  
(09-15-2020 03:00 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 12:06 PM)micman Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 09:18 PM)Penny1 Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 08:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  only holds 25k though.

I want something like Louisville's stadium before all the capacity increases...it held 42k
[Image: papa-johns-cardinal-stadium-south-louisv...l-cobb.jpg]

put it here:
[Image: south-campus.jpg]

It will not fit in that square space.

For one thing, the Larry Finch memorial statue will be at the circle entrance.

Any future stadium will be at the golf course property.

People want to envision a OCS on the main campus, but there's no room.

The dimensions don't fit.

Realign Zach Curlin east to the property line, demolish 2 obsolete dormitory buildings, and there is plenty of room to build whatever you want.

You'd probably have to integrate some housing/teaching space into either/both buildings to really make it make sense but I think its fun to think about. The idea of a gameday actually on campus is pretty cool to think about. I always wished we could keep the ellipse intact which could turn into Tiger Lane v2.0. A tiger fan can dream right?!

It fits if you realign Zach Curlin east to the property line (see attached map)


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RE: South Alabama has a sweet new on campus stadium...
(09-15-2020 06:07 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 09:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 09:18 PM)Penny1 Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 08:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  only holds 25k though.

I want something like Louisville's stadium before all the capacity increases...it held 42k
[Image: papa-johns-cardinal-stadium-south-louisv...l-cobb.jpg]

put it here:
[Image: south-campus.jpg]

It will not fit in that square space.

For one thing, the Larry Finch memorial statue will be at the circle entrance.

Any future stadium will be at the golf course property.

People want to envision a OCS on the main campus, but there's no room.

The dimensions don't fit.

The 2007ish study that was commissioned found like 7 sites that were on or adjacent to the main campus that were viable. Commercial development in the adjacent space will have changed that somewhat, but it is still possible to put a stadium on the main campus.

The golf course or south campus are no better than the liberty bowl.

The Leary Report was commissioned by the OCS crowd and grossly misrepresented the facts to push for an OCS.

They point at Louisville as an example of a new stadium but leave out key details.

First Louisville was playing in a minor league baseball stadium and had a losing season.

Louisville had changed coaches the first year in the new stadium and the home crowds at the start of the season were about the same as the previous year.

Louisville hosted the governor's cup game that year against Kentucky which increased the average.

Louisville team was winning and the crowds did NOT drop off late in the season as it had in the past when they were losing.

It was the team winning and not the stadium which was responsible for the increase in attendance.

What many forget is that just because the footprint of a stadium will fit in a certain area does not mean that the infrastructure is in place for the stadium.

Electrical lines, water lines, gas lines and sewage will all have to be increased.

Not to mention the residential areas surrounding the south campus.

The one exit that will be available onto getwell could not begin to handle the traffic flow if by chance you had enough parking spots.

Even if traffic moved at the theoretical maximum(1,900 cars per hour per lane) you would be looking at at least 4 hours to move traffic out of the stadium after a game.

You know it will not move at maximum so a full stadium could see 6 to 8 hours of traffic jams.

On the main campus sites are no better when it comes to post game traffic flows.

Main campus traffic flow is at least as good as the LB now. Flow traffic north on Highland and east on poplar from the central lot. Flow people south on Highland or east on park from the southern lot.
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How long do we have to come to a consensus on this?
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(09-15-2020 03:00 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 12:06 PM)micman Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 09:18 PM)Penny1 Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 08:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  only holds 25k though.

I want something like Louisville's stadium before all the capacity increases...it held 42k
[Image: papa-johns-cardinal-stadium-south-louisv...l-cobb.jpg]

put it here:
[Image: south-campus.jpg]

It will not fit in that square space.

For one thing, the Larry Finch memorial statue will be at the circle entrance.

Any future stadium will be at the golf course property.

People want to envision a OCS on the main campus, but there's no room.

The dimensions don't fit.

Realign Zach Curlin east to the property line, demolish 2 obsolete dormitory buildings, and there is plenty of room to build whatever you want.

You'd probably have to integrate some housing/teaching space into either/both buildings to really make it make sense but I think its fun to think about. The idea of a gameday actually on campus is pretty cool to think about. I always wished we could keep the ellipse intact which could turn into Tiger Lane v2.0. A tiger fan can dream right?!

Fun to think about for sure. I don't see it ever happening though, and the Liberty Bowl is really pretty nice now. Not a bad seat in the place.
09-15-2020 09:09 PM
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(09-12-2020 09:18 PM)Penny1 Wrote:  
(09-12-2020 08:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  only holds 25k though.

I want something like Louisville's stadium before all the capacity increases...it held 42k
[Image: papa-johns-cardinal-stadium-south-louisv...l-cobb.jpg]

put it here:
[Image: south-campus.jpg]

It will not fit in that square space.

For one thing, the Larry Finch memorial statue will be at the circle entrance.

Any future stadium will be at the golf course property.

People want to envision a OCS on the main campus, but there's no room.

The dimensions don't fit.

Yes there is. Yes they do. We've been over this time and time again...
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