3 NASCAR drivers are suspended for awhile by NASCAR right now.
Kyle Larson
Dustin Skinner, son of former NASCAR driver Mike Skinner, when he posted that Bubba should be dragged by the neck with that noose on pit row.
Mike Wallace got suspended Thursday with his Facebook post arguing with another guy. It was racially insensitive.

23rd isn't bad, right? 23rd best golfer this year was Bryson DeChambeau.

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He's quitting to pursue a new opportunity.

He's going to co-host a talk show with Jussie Smollett about being the victims of crimes.

(09-11-2020 12:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Larson needs to lay low, and Boywer sounds like he will be back in the 14.

Spire and Chip Ganassi are in alliance next year. Ross Chastian is rumored in the 42 team next year. He did a fine job for filling in for Ryan Newman this year.

Daniel Suarez to the 43 team? He battled for the 16th spot in the playoffs last year. He performed better than Bubba.

Justin Haley in one of the Spire racing and Erik Jones to the other.

Ty Dillon could lose his ride. Germaine Racing could br forced to shut down.

32 team is open.

Floydd Merriweather Money Team could be filled with Jeffrey Earnhardt.

Justin Lofton wants to have a race team next year. 32 and the new team are open, but we still have Corey LaJoie and several other drivers are looking for a ride next year.

NASCAR ratings have been down this year. Thanks to Bubba.

I don't think you can contribute it all to Bubba. NASCAR has done a fine job alienating their fanbase for the past few years... In the early 2000s when they began moving more races out West (that they still can't sell out) and stopped going to Rockingham (a place they could fill up easily) and taking away some of the Southern races, that began the alienation. The constant changing of the points for championships gets a little confusing and lost fans.

The days of having drivers like Dale Earnhardt, Dale Jr, Smoke, or even Gordon who crossed over from that world into mainstream isn't happening like it used to.

NASCAR has a stable of young drivers that could reach out to a younger fan base but they're not marketable or NASCAR isn't trying.

(09-11-2020 06:36 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 12:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Larson needs to lay low, and Boywer sounds like he will be back in the 14.

Spire and Chip Ganassi are in alliance next year. Ross Chastian is rumored in the 42 team next year. He did a fine job for filling in for Ryan Newman this year.

Daniel Suarez to the 43 team? He battled for the 16th spot in the playoffs last year. He performed better than Bubba.

Justin Haley in one of the Spire racing and Erik Jones to the other.

Ty Dillon could lose his ride. Germaine Racing could br forced to shut down.

32 team is open.

Floydd Merriweather Money Team could be filled with Jeffrey Earnhardt.

Justin Lofton wants to have a race team next year. 32 and the new team are open, but we still have Corey LaJoie and several other drivers are looking for a ride next year.

NASCAR ratings have been down this year. Thanks to Bubba.

I don't think you can contribute it all to Bubba. NASCAR has done a fine job alienating their fanbase for the past few years... In the early 2000s when they began moving more races out West (that they still can't sell out) and stopped going to Rockingham (a place they could fill up easily) and taking away some of the Southern races, that began the alienation. The constant changing of the points for championships gets a little confusing and lost fans.

The days of having drivers like Dale Earnhardt, Dale Jr, Smoke, or even Gordon who crossed over from that world into mainstream isn't happening like it used to.

NASCAR has a stable of young drivers that could reach out to a younger fan base but they're not marketable or NASCAR isn't trying.

They went away from what was working for them.

They should have never left Rockingham.

They should move the Brickyard back to the first saturday of august.

The should emphasize the "southern" 500 on labor day at Darlington.

Forget these stupid road courses at Daytona and Charlotte. Nobody likes those. Two road courses are more than enough.

And every new driver doesn't need to be a 19 year old wonderkid. NASCAR fans also liked the older drivers. We need Dick Trickle back.

(09-11-2020 06:46 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 06:36 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 12:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Larson needs to lay low, and Boywer sounds like he will be back in the 14.

Spire and Chip Ganassi are in alliance next year. Ross Chastian is rumored in the 42 team next year. He did a fine job for filling in for Ryan Newman this year.

Daniel Suarez to the 43 team? He battled for the 16th spot in the playoffs last year. He performed better than Bubba.

Justin Haley in one of the Spire racing and Erik Jones to the other.

Ty Dillon could lose his ride. Germaine Racing could br forced to shut down.

32 team is open.

Floydd Merriweather Money Team could be filled with Jeffrey Earnhardt.

Justin Lofton wants to have a race team next year. 32 and the new team are open, but we still have Corey LaJoie and several other drivers are looking for a ride next year.

NASCAR ratings have been down this year. Thanks to Bubba.

I don't think you can contribute it all to Bubba. NASCAR has done a fine job alienating their fanbase for the past few years... In the early 2000s when they began moving more races out West (that they still can't sell out) and stopped going to Rockingham (a place they could fill up easily) and taking away some of the Southern races, that began the alienation. The constant changing of the points for championships gets a little confusing and lost fans.

The days of having drivers like Dale Earnhardt, Dale Jr, Smoke, or even Gordon who crossed over from that world into mainstream isn't happening like it used to.

NASCAR has a stable of young drivers that could reach out to a younger fan base but they're not marketable or NASCAR isn't trying.

They went away from what was working for them.

They should have never left Rockingham.

They should move the Brickyard back to the first saturday of august.

The should emphasize the "southern" 500 on labor day at Darlington.

Forget these stupid road courses at Daytona and Charlotte. Nobody likes those. Two road courses are more than enough.

And every new driver doesn't need to be a 19 year old wonderkid. NASCAR fans also liked the older drivers. We need Dick Trickle back.

I miss the shenanigans.. Sure Rusty Wallace and Dale Sr. would get in fights, but they also would play pranks and joke around. You don't see that anymore.

I feel like Smoke and Jr would do that, they'd argue but they'd also hang out and congratulate each other on wins.

Now it's all fights, especially if your last name is Busch and everyone is out to get you.

(09-10-2020 03:14 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm guessing he's leaving for a better team.

That is likely. As much as I admire the King...He really has failed to assemble a team and put a product on the track that can compete with the upper tier multiple car teams. Bubba is not what Id call a great driver but if he gets under the wheel of a superior car he is good enough to win. I expect someone has already committed privately to put him in their car next season.

(09-11-2020 06:36 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 12:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Larson needs to lay low, and Boywer sounds like he will be back in the 14.

Spire and Chip Ganassi are in alliance next year. Ross Chastian is rumored in the 42 team next year. He did a fine job for filling in for Ryan Newman this year.

Daniel Suarez to the 43 team? He battled for the 16th spot in the playoffs last year. He performed better than Bubba.

Justin Haley in one of the Spire racing and Erik Jones to the other.

Ty Dillon could lose his ride. Germaine Racing could br forced to shut down.

32 team is open.

Floydd Merriweather Money Team could be filled with Jeffrey Earnhardt.

Justin Lofton wants to have a race team next year. 32 and the new team are open, but we still have Corey LaJoie and several other drivers are looking for a ride next year.

NASCAR ratings have been down this year. Thanks to Bubba.

I don't think you can contribute it all to Bubba. NASCAR has done a fine job alienating their fanbase for the past few years... In the early 2000s when they began moving more races out West (that they still can't sell out) and stopped going to Rockingham (a place they could fill up easily) and taking away some of the Southern races, that began the alienation. The constant changing of the points for championships gets a little confusing and lost fans.

The days of having drivers like Dale Earnhardt, Dale Jr, Smoke, or even Gordon who crossed over from that world into mainstream isn't happening like it used to.

NASCAR has a stable of young drivers that could reach out to a younger fan base but they're not marketable or NASCAR isn't trying.

NASCAR at one point about 30 years ago decided to go upscale and distance itself from its most ardent fans. Prices for tickets doubled and tripled to basically "run of the rednecks". We used to go to the Southern 500 for the entire weekend on the infield. It cost the total of 30 bucks per person. It was first come..first serve as to where you could set up on the infield. Suddenly you had to purchase a spot annually and it cost over $500 for the weekend. I was fortunate to have attended some of the greatest races in the early 80s through the mid 90s at almost every track in every track in the South from Richmond to Daytona. What is out there now is shell of that period before restrictor plate racing. Its safer..but..no where as exciting and the men in the cars were real characters...not robots fashioned for marketing.

(09-11-2020 08:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  NASCAR at one point about 30 years ago decided to go upscale and distance itself from its most ardent fans. Prices for tickets doubled and tripled to basically "run of the rednecks". We used to go to the Southern 500 for the entire weekend on the infield. It cost the total of 30 bucks per person. It was first come..first serve as to where you could set up on the infield. Suddenly you had to purchase a spot annually and it cost over $500 for the weekend. I was fortunate to have attended some of the greatest races in the early 80s through the mid 90s at almost every track in every track in the South from Richmond to Daytona. What is out there now is shell of that period before restrictor plate racing. Its safer..but..no where as exciting and the men in the cars were real characters...not robots fashioned for marketing.

I think the "robots fashioned for marketing" is the part that turns me off. I remember the great characters--Fireball Roberts, Junior Johnson, Red Farmer, Benny Parsons, the Allisons (whom I first saw doing figure-8 racing in Bessemer). I remember Marty Robbins drove for years, never won anything because he never had a great car, but drove until he had to quit, IIRC because of a heart problem.

Special Services at Charleston Naval Base actually had an area set aside at Darlington, in turn 2 IIRC. It was set up with BBQ grills and really, really nice. Had a few great weekends up there. Just not the same any more. I watch on TV but don't get into it like we used to at Darlington.

(09-11-2020 06:12 AM)fsquid Wrote:  23rd isn't bad, right? 23rd best golfer this year was Bryson DeChambeau.

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23rd is not so great when most races start 40 cars. That's not even average. That gets you replaced.

In the PGA, 23rd can make a great living. Big difference. But you have 120+ guys competing each week, and many more trying to qualify.

(09-11-2020 10:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 06:12 AM)fsquid Wrote:  23rd isn't bad, right? 23rd best golfer this year was Bryson DeChambeau.

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23rd is not so great when most races start 40 cars. That's not even average. That gets you replaced.

In the PGA, 23rd can make a great living. Big difference. But you have 120+ guys competing each week, and many more trying to qualify.

Makes sense

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(09-11-2020 10:23 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 10:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 06:12 AM)fsquid Wrote:  23rd isn't bad, right? 23rd best golfer this year was Bryson DeChambeau.

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23rd is not so great when most races start 40 cars. That's not even average. That gets you replaced.

In the PGA, 23rd can make a great living. Big difference. But you have 120+ guys competing each week, and many more trying to qualify.

Makes sense

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Yes, but there always the case of Dick Trickle (yes, real name). He had white privilege obviously since he had some crazy number of races without a win.

(09-11-2020 10:40 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 10:23 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 10:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 06:12 AM)fsquid Wrote:  23rd isn't bad, right? 23rd best golfer this year was Bryson DeChambeau.

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23rd is not so great when most races start 40 cars. That's not even average. That gets you replaced.

In the PGA, 23rd can make a great living. Big difference. But you have 120+ guys competing each week, and many more trying to qualify.

Makes sense

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Yes, but there always the case of Dick Trickle (yes, real name). He had white privilege obviously since he had some crazy number of races without a win.

or maybe he was just marketable. DOn't these teams make most the money on sponsorships?

The current business model and climate is making it tough for sponsors to cover expenses. Furniture Row won the championship a few years ago and folded up the next year as even that didn't get them the sponsors they needed to make money.

Bob Levin's team is folding up at the conclusion of this year.

Qualifying use to mean something and you had more cars than spots in the field. Not today. They reduced starting spots from 43 to 40 and further reductions will be necessary.

(09-11-2020 10:55 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 10:40 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 10:23 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 10:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 06:12 AM)fsquid Wrote:  23rd isn't bad, right? 23rd best golfer this year was Bryson DeChambeau.

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23rd is not so great when most races start 40 cars. That's not even average. That gets you replaced.

In the PGA, 23rd can make a great living. Big difference. But you have 120+ guys competing each week, and many more trying to qualify.

Makes sense

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Yes, but there always the case of Dick Trickle (yes, real name). He had white privilege obviously since he had some crazy number of races without a win.

or maybe he was just marketable. DOn't these teams make most the money on sponsorships?

Yep..

(09-10-2020 10:08 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  

(09-10-2020 09:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-10-2020 08:02 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  I think he will be in the 42 Ganassi car.

Probably. Hell of a drop from a future cup champ driver in Larson to Bubba Wallace though.

Yup and ironic too.

Kap, do you think Larson goes to Stewart Haas?

I think he eventually ends up there or with Hendrick, but it might not be next year.

Then again he seems to be having a lot of fun running the short track stuff right now.

(09-11-2020 12:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Ty Dillon could lose his ride. Germaine Racing could br forced to shut down.

Ty might lose the Germaine ride, but he'll have one somewhere. The perks of your grandfather owning a racing team and engine supplier. Earnhardt-Childress Engines supply the powerplants for Germaine, Rick Ware Racing, Richard Petty Motorsports, and several other small part-time teams.

(09-11-2020 10:11 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 08:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  NASCAR at one point about 30 years ago decided to go upscale and distance itself from its most ardent fans. Prices for tickets doubled and tripled to basically "run of the rednecks". We used to go to the Southern 500 for the entire weekend on the infield. It cost the total of 30 bucks per person. It was first come..first serve as to where you could set up on the infield. Suddenly you had to purchase a spot annually and it cost over $500 for the weekend. I was fortunate to have attended some of the greatest races in the early 80s through the mid 90s at almost every track in every track in the South from Richmond to Daytona. What is out there now is shell of that period before restrictor plate racing. Its safer..but..no where as exciting and the men in the cars were real characters...not robots fashioned for marketing.

I think the "robots fashioned for marketing" is the part that turns me off. I remember the great characters--Fireball Roberts, Junior Johnson, Red Farmer, Benny Parsons, the Allisons (whom I first saw doing figure-8 racing in Bessemer). I remember Marty Robbins drove for years, never won anything because he never had a great car, but drove until he had to quit, IIRC because of a heart problem.

Special Services at Charleston Naval Base actually had an area set aside at Darlington, in turn 2 IIRC. It was set up with BBQ grills and really, really nice. Had a few great weekends up there. Just not the same any more. I watch on TV but don't get into it like we used to at Darlington.

LOL...We always parked our rigs in turn 2 on the infield. We had two trucks with platforms that joined. We sat a dozen guys up on top. My favorite moment from any race was watching Dale lose it in turn 2 driving the Wrangler car.. do a 180 spin and hold it off the wall...straight down the the backstretch. He never lost a position. We all stood amazed he pulled that off. That dude owned the track in his prime.

(09-11-2020 12:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 12:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Ty Dillon could lose his ride. Germaine Racing could br forced to shut down.

Ty might lose the Germaine ride, but he'll have one somewhere. The perks of your grandfather owning a racing team and engine supplier. Earnhardt-Childress Engines supply the powerplants for Germaine, Rick Ware Racing, Richard Petty Motorsports, and several other small part-time teams.

Childress should merge with Germaine as Childress Germaine Racing. Then you can keep Geico on board.

Ross Chastain is still under contract with Ganassi while Ross race part time this year in Spire. Ganassi Spire Motorsports would help get them back to a four car team.

Wonder if Bubba will take his fake noose with him