(09-10-2020 11:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: If not for the 70s, the 1990 wire-to-wire season and good marketing skills, this town would have given up on this franchise long ago. On paper they have been less successful than the Bengals for the past 20 years. Life-long Cincinnati residents as old as 33-34 years of age do not remember the Reds doing anything of note in the post-season. The 1995 team went to the NL Championship Series but that is about it. After that just three postseasons, where they were swept in the first round of the playoffs.
Attendance has bee woeful the past few years and this obvious is out the window. If they do not get rid of Bell and make some changes I think it will be hard to get them back and a generation of young fans who were never fully invested anyway.
Bolded, so true. I guess this speaks to the Reds terrific community relations work over many years through their Foundation that helps bring baseball to urban areas, Redsfest as an annual family-friendly event, Caravans taking the team and announcers to the fans in the offseason, and countless other initiatives that have endeared this franchise to so many.
When I think of the Bengals, a franchise comes to mind that is reluctant to let high school bands march on their (original) bad turf; resistant to welcoming high school playoffs or special games, and charges a premium to UC for usage of a county-owned facility.
During the Nippert renovation year, I was shocked to return to PBS and see how bland and uninviting the place was. Even those club areas we had access to that year as season ticket holders were pretty pedestrian for the NFL. GABP, Nippert, and Fifth-Third offer vastly superior fan experiences.
Maybe when they become the Sacramento Bengals or San Antonio Bengals, they'll turn over a new leaf.
Not as long as Mike is around. That sound you hear is Paul turning over in his grave.
Can't wait for Mikey to threaten leaving unless he gets a new stadium or a major upgrade.
The shakedown has already begun. How does a twenty year old stadium that only gets used ~10 times a year need $200+ million dollars in renovations?
(09-10-2020 11:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: If not for the 70s, the 1990 wire-to-wire season and good marketing skills, this town would have given up on this franchise long ago. On paper they have been less successful than the Bengals for the past 20 years. Life-long Cincinnati residents as old as 33-34 years of age do not remember the Reds doing anything of note in the post-season. The 1995 team went to the NL Championship Series but that is about it. After that just three postseasons, where they were swept in the first round of the playoffs.
Attendance has bee woeful the past few years and this obvious is out the window. If they do not get rid of Bell and make some changes I think it will be hard to get them back and a generation of young fans who were never fully invested anyway.
Bolded, so true. I guess this speaks to the Reds terrific community relations work over many years through their Foundation that helps bring baseball to urban areas, Redsfest as an annual family-friendly event, Caravans taking the team and announcers to the fans in the offseason, and countless other initiatives that have endeared this franchise to so many.
When I think of the Bengals, a franchise comes to mind that is reluctant to let high school bands march on their (original) bad turf; resistant to welcoming high school playoffs or special games, and charges a premium to UC for usage of a county-owned facility.
During the Nippert renovation year, I was shocked to return to PBS and see how bland and uninviting the place was. Even those club areas we had access to that year as season ticket holders were pretty pedestrian for the NFL. GABP, Nippert, and Fifth-Third offer vastly superior fan experiences.
Maybe when they become the Sacramento Bengals or San Antonio Bengals, they'll turn over a new leaf.
Not as long as Mike is around. That sound you hear is Paul turning over in his grave.
Can't wait for Mikey to threaten leaving unless he gets a new stadium or a major upgrade.
The shakedown has already begun. How does a twenty year old stadium that only gets used ~10 times a year need $200+ million dollars in renovations?
Pay whatever, got to keep the Bengals in Cincy. Pumped for the near future!! Yes, I'm very serious.
I think the problem is, we Hamilton County taxpayers have been paying for years and will still be paying for another couple of decades whether the Bengals occupy the stadium or not according to my understanding of the lease arrangement.
Burrow should be great. But one QB will be hard pressed to turn around a moribund franchise that has failed to properly scout, evaluate, draft, and retain quality talent for years. My hope for him is that he can avoid injury behind this offensive line.
While anything can happen in pro sports, the structure of Reds' ownership suggests that civic and corporate leaders are committed to keep a historic franchise in this small market. Increasingly, I talk to long suffering Bengals fans who feel that the franchise will pull up stakes and move along in the next few years. I don't want our city to lose the NFL. But I no longer have any passion personally for this Bengals franchise.
both teams are a new ownership away from titleship. i'll care until i can't. converrl always harps about the economic hit the city'll take if one or both of the teams leave bolt- personally the reds won't leave because where does a team leave in this dying sport that'll mostly root for this team as long as their in this town, consistently mediocre draw but enough to turn a profit (i assume)- and it's true, but whatever. use that stadium upgrade money to fund a streetcar
what i miss most about missing out on the 70's reds is the downtown nightlife that would have ensued. those bars must have been magical places to be
(09-10-2020 06:34 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: The 70s Big Red Machine was a huge factor in why I played youth baseball growing up and became a Reds fan at an early age. Rose, Morgan, Bench were sports gods to me. Yes, I loved the retro white unis with low socks and black shoes...
Anyone remember Bench's forearms? Dude had popeye arms.
Somebody replayed the 1975 WS games a little while back.
I sat my son down and made him watch what real baseball was.
He actually noticed the all black shoes and asked what brand those were. I said that the Reds used to take the player's shoes and polish over any logos until they were all black.
He was appalled. He considered that nothing short of criminal.
That's funny. Really goes to show you the power of marketing. I mean can you imagine a more "Who gives a chit?" question in the 70s than what brand of the show do they wear? (or am I misremembering?) Just one opinion but it's not a change for the better.
(09-10-2020 11:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: If not for the 70s, the 1990 wire-to-wire season and good marketing skills, this town would have given up on this franchise long ago. On paper they have been less successful than the Bengals for the past 20 years. Life-long Cincinnati residents as old as 33-34 years of age do not remember the Reds doing anything of note in the post-season. The 1995 team went to the NL Championship Series but that is about it. After that just three postseasons, where they were swept in the first round of the playoffs.
Attendance has bee woeful the past few years and this obvious is out the window. If they do not get rid of Bell and make some changes I think it will be hard to get them back and a generation of young fans who were never fully invested anyway.
Bolded, so true. I guess this speaks to the Reds terrific community relations work over many years through their Foundation that helps bring baseball to urban areas, Redsfest as an annual family-friendly event, Caravans taking the team and announcers to the fans in the offseason, and countless other initiatives that have endeared this franchise to so many.
When I think of the Bengals, a franchise comes to mind that is reluctant to let high school bands march on their (original) bad turf; resistant to welcoming high school playoffs or special games, and charges a premium to UC for usage of a county-owned facility.
During the Nippert renovation year, I was shocked to return to PBS and see how bland and uninviting the place was. Even those club areas we had access to that year as season ticket holders were pretty pedestrian for the NFL. GABP, Nippert, and Fifth-Third offer vastly superior fan experiences.
Maybe when they become the Sacramento Bengals or San Antonio Bengals, they'll turn over a new leaf.
Not as long as Mike is around. That sound you hear is Paul turning over in his grave.
Can't wait for Mikey to threaten leaving unless he gets a new stadium or a major upgrade.
The shakedown has already begun. How does a twenty year old stadium that only gets used ~10 times a year need $200+ million dollars in renovations?
Pay whatever, got to keep the Bengals in Cincy. Pumped for the near future!! Yes, I'm very serious.
I'm not comfortable with the "pay whatever" philosophy but it would be a very very dark day for me if the Bengals were to leave town. It's been quite a few years since I've been this excited to see the Bengals despite doubting whether they will even be contending for a playoff spot in the last week or two.
(09-10-2020 06:34 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: The 70s Big Red Machine was a huge factor in why I played youth baseball growing up and became a Reds fan at an early age. Rose, Morgan, Bench were sports gods to me. Yes, I loved the retro white unis with low socks and black shoes...
Anyone remember Bench's forearms? Dude had popeye arms.
JB's hands were monsters: he could hold seven baseballs firmly in one hand.
I never got to see the annual pregame cow milking contest.
A sixty minute Bearcat football player (playing an entire football game without substitution) C Louis Nippert (Jimmy's younger brother) doesn't get any credit for keeping the Big Red Machine together. He worked closely with GM Bob Howsam. Nippert did not want any publicity at all; once each week he would have a private lunch with Howsam. He and his wife Louise Dieterle Nippert are the most generous couple Cincinnati has ever know. Even today, the Nippert Foundation gives Bearcat Football $1 mill each year for the naming rights of Nippert Stadium. Once, the Brown family turned down $300 mill for the naming rights of Paul Brown Stadium.
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(09-10-2020 06:34 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: The 70s Big Red Machine was a huge factor in why I played youth baseball growing up and became a Reds fan at an early age. Rose, Morgan, Bench were sports gods to me. Yes, I loved the retro white unis with low socks and black shoes...
Anyone remember Bench's forearms? Dude had popeye arms.
JB's hands were monsters: he could hold seven baseballs firmly in one hand.
I never got to see the annual pregame cow milking contest.
A sixty minute Bearcat football player (playing an entire football game without substitution) C Louis Nippert (Jimmy's younger brother) doesn't get any credit for keeping the Big Red Machine together. He worked closely with GM Bob Howsam; Nippert did not want any publicity at all; once each week he would have a private lunch with Howsam. He and his wife Louise Dieterle Nippert are the most generous couple Cincinnati has ever know. Even today, the Nippert Foundation gives Bearcat Football $1 mill each year for the naming rights of Nippert Stadium. Once, the Brown family turned down $300 mill for the naming rights of Paul Brown Stadium.
The Nipperts were part owner in the late 60s and the majority owners of the Reds during the 70s.
Most folks remember the Reds won the 1975 and 1976 World Series. Some may remember that the Reds swept the '76 series against the Yankees. Not many remember the Reds also played in the 1970 and 1972 series. The latter they lost to the A's in seven games. They came close to winning three world titles in the decade.
(09-11-2020 01:19 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: Most folks remember the Reds won the 1975 and 1976 World Series. Some may remember that the Reds swept the '76 series against the Yankees. Not many remember the Reds also played in the 1970 and 1972 series. The latter they lost to the A's in seven games. They came close to winning three world titles in the decade.
That seventh game loss was crushing in '72. Thankfully, along came '75 and '76.
(09-11-2020 11:00 AM)Lush Wrote: both teams are a new ownership away from titleship. i'll care until i can't. converrl always harps about the economic hit the city'll take if one or both of the teams leave bolt- personally the reds won't leave because where does a team leave in this dying sport that'll mostly root for this team as long as their in this town, consistently mediocre draw but enough to turn a profit (i assume)- and it's true, but whatever. use that stadium upgrade money to fund a streetcar
what i miss most about missing out on the 70's reds is the downtown nightlife that would have ensued. those bars must have been magical places to be
Of the two, football is the dying sport. It's dying at the youth level, the high school level, and the NFL level.
Viewership of the NFL kickoff game, including streaming:
27.4 million - 2015 Steelers/Patriots
25.5 million - 2016 Panthers/Broncos
22.2 million - 2017 Chiefs/Patriots
19.5 million - 2018 Falcons/Eagles
22.0 million - 2019 Packers/Bears
19.3 million - 2020 Chiefs/Texans
Viewership of Super Bowl, including streaming:
114.4 million - 2014
111.9 million - 2015
113.0 million - 2016
106.0 million - 2017
100.7 million - 2018
99.9 million - 2019
(09-11-2020 11:00 AM)Lush Wrote: both teams are a new ownership away from titleship. i'll care until i can't. converrl always harps about the economic hit the city'll take if one or both of the teams leave bolt- personally the reds won't leave because where does a team leave in this dying sport that'll mostly root for this team as long as their in this town, consistently mediocre draw but enough to turn a profit (i assume)- and it's true, but whatever. use that stadium upgrade money to fund a streetcar
what i miss most about missing out on the 70's reds is the downtown nightlife that would have ensued. those bars must have been magical places to be
Of the two, football is the dying sport. It's dying at the youth level, the high school level, and the NFL level.
Viewership of the NFL kickoff game, including streaming:
27.4 million - 2015 Steelers/Patriots
25.5 million - 2016 Panthers/Broncos
22.2 million - 2017 Chiefs/Patriots
19.5 million - 2018 Falcons/Eagles
22.0 million - 2019 Packers/Bears
19.3 million - 2020 Chiefs/Texans
Viewership of Super Bowl, including streaming:
114.4 million - 2014
111.9 million - 2015
113.0 million - 2016
106.0 million - 2017
100.7 million - 2018
99.9 million - 2019
I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I really don't care for the NFL game anymore. I just find it boring. They all basically run the same offenses and defenses. The college game is a lot more unpredictable, and I love all the variations in offensive schemes. Plus, I think the wide hash marks allow for more creative play calling.
Cincinnati may be a small market, but the Reds have built partnerships well beyond I-275.
In the minors, Dayton and Louisville are 2 of the top-15 in attendance. I don't think any other team other than Cleveland, Detroit, and San Francisco has 2 affiliates so close, or in such large of cities. And for decades the Reds have done community outreach and media events in those cities in ways that the Bengals haven't even attempted.
If you add in the Dayton & Louisville metros, the Reds have a market of 4.2 million. That's a bigger market than Seattle or Minneapolis. And the Twins & Mariners don't have the close minor league affiliates to expand their market that the Reds do. (the Mariners have a team in Tacomah, but that's within the Seattle metro area.
(09-11-2020 11:00 AM)Lush Wrote: both teams are a new ownership away from titleship. i'll care until i can't. converrl always harps about the economic hit the city'll take if one or both of the teams leave bolt- personally the reds won't leave because where does a team leave in this dying sport that'll mostly root for this team as long as their in this town, consistently mediocre draw but enough to turn a profit (i assume)- and it's true, but whatever. use that stadium upgrade money to fund a streetcar
what i miss most about missing out on the 70's reds is the downtown nightlife that would have ensued. those bars must have been magical places to be
Of the two, football is the dying sport. It's dying at the youth level, the high school level, and the NFL level.
Viewership of the NFL kickoff game, including streaming:
27.4 million - 2015 Steelers/Patriots
25.5 million - 2016 Panthers/Broncos
22.2 million - 2017 Chiefs/Patriots
19.5 million - 2018 Falcons/Eagles
22.0 million - 2019 Packers/Bears
19.3 million - 2020 Chiefs/Texans
Viewership of Super Bowl, including streaming:
114.4 million - 2014
111.9 million - 2015
113.0 million - 2016
106.0 million - 2017
100.7 million - 2018
99.9 million - 2019
I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I really don't care for the NFL game anymore. I just find it boring. They all basically run the same offenses and defenses. The college game is a lot more unpredictable, and I love all the variations in offensive schemes. Plus, I think the wide hash marks allow for more creative play calling.
I don’t think you are in the minority on this board. A lot of Bearcat fans stopped watching the NFL because of the Bengals. I can’t tell you how many people especially hopped on the CFB wagon for the first time when BK got here.
I’ve always been more of a CFB guy for the reasons you stated. I also prefer the pageantry of the game and the various stadiums which can be a cut above the cookie cutter NFL stadiums and arenas.
Quote:At the Winter Meetings in Phoenix on Nov. 29, 1971, the Reds acquired Joe Morgan, Ed Armbrister, Jack Billingham, César Gerónimo and Denis Menke from the Astros for Lee May, Tommy Helms and Jimmy Stewart.
(09-11-2020 11:00 AM)Lush Wrote: both teams are a new ownership away from titleship. i'll care until i can't. converrl always harps about the economic hit the city'll take if one or both of the teams leave bolt- personally the reds won't leave because where does a team leave in this dying sport that'll mostly root for this team as long as their in this town, consistently mediocre draw but enough to turn a profit (i assume)- and it's true, but whatever. use that stadium upgrade money to fund a streetcar
what i miss most about missing out on the 70's reds is the downtown nightlife that would have ensued. those bars must have been magical places to be
Of the two, football is the dying sport. It's dying at the youth level, the high school level, and the NFL level.
Viewership of the NFL kickoff game, including streaming:
27.4 million - 2015 Steelers/Patriots
25.5 million - 2016 Panthers/Broncos
22.2 million - 2017 Chiefs/Patriots
19.5 million - 2018 Falcons/Eagles
22.0 million - 2019 Packers/Bears
19.3 million - 2020 Chiefs/Texans
Viewership of Super Bowl, including streaming:
114.4 million - 2014
111.9 million - 2015
113.0 million - 2016
106.0 million - 2017
100.7 million - 2018
99.9 million - 2019
I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I really don't care for the NFL game anymore. I just find it boring. They all basically run the same offenses and defenses. The college game is a lot more unpredictable, and I love all the variations in offensive schemes. Plus, I think the wide hash marks allow for more creative play calling.
I walked away from my Bengals COAs years back. Best decision in terms of lost time and money that I’ve ever made. With today’s media avenues, I figured out that I don’t have to root for a team out of habit or just because I live in the same area code. That being said the NFL became too over produced and unwatchable. I now have another day each weekend in the fall and early winter. It’s lovely.
(09-12-2020 07:11 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: I walked away from my Bengals COAs years back. Best decision in terms of lost time and money that I’ve ever made. With today’s media avenues, I figured out that I don’t have to root for a team out of habit or just because I live in the same area code. That being said the NFL became too over produced and unwatchable. I now have another day each weekend in the fall and early winter. It’s lovely.
I also ended my NFL tickets long ago. For many years after I watched on TV and used free tickets, which became rarer once I retired. Now with the political BS being forced on me I will totally pass. I did not watch one second of the opener and will pass on the Bungals opener.