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RE: Would you do an AAC like this for AQ?
(09-09-2020 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
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(09-08-2020 07:33 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  My head might explode if App State wouldn't be included in a 24 team AAC. Clearly, ties with Georgia with the fifth most wins in all of FBS since 2015, Appalachian has been at the very least the best program among the MAC, C-USA, and the SB.

It's all moot, anyway. This is not happening.

NIU won 57 from 2010-14 with an Orange Bowl. App St won 54 since 2015.

Unless you develop a Boise-like brand winning multiple BCS bowls, it won't matter. Neither fits the institutional profile.

App St. has zero chance of the AAC in the next 10-15 years. Never say never, but its unlikely at any point. They don't fit the profile and they only have been FBS for a handful of years.

The goal is to be the Boise State of the east.

App State is not there as of right now. They have to not slip up against a Georgia Southern or let a Penn State get away in overtime, and then get to the NY6 a few times and win. But they're the closest thing this side of the Mississippi River has to a Boise State-like football program. (I don't include AAC schools as being similar to Boise. Boise and App State are former FCS/1-AA schools who stepped up big in FBS. UCF was 1-AA, but they are the largest school in the country, and in the state of Florida. Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, Navy, ECU, SMU, etc., have been playing at the FBS level for many many decades.)

As for not matching the academic profile, App State could at worst be like Boise State there, too. Boise State doesn't exactly fit the profile of the Mountain West. New Mexico, Wyoming, Hawaii, and Nevada are flagships. Colorado State and Utah State are their states' land grant institutions. The Air Force Academy is all around elite. How does Boise fit in with them? Great (for the G5) football.

App State, like Boise State, would have to have a football program too outstanding to ignore in order to get into the AAC, just as Boise did with the MWC or attempted Big East football only. I fully recognize that. Even though App has averaged just shy of 11 wins the last five years, winning will have to not only maintain, but accelerate. Remember: Boise wasn't offered membership in the MWC until several years after their famous win over Oklahoma. And by the way, I think I'm doing a disservice to App State comparing any academic concerns AAC presidents may have to Boise State.

I agree with Bill Dazzle: the most realistic goal would be football only for the AAC. And as I have said before, I do not expect App to get in ahead of others, including the addition of nobody, unless App State wins at the clip Boise was from the mid 2000's to early 2010's.


In many respects, I already consider Appalachian State the "Boise State of the East," MinR.

There are various parallels involving the two football programs, both of which I highly respect and consider "major programs" — not on the same level as, say, Clemson or even Virginia Tech, of course, but clearly within the next tier down and able to beat just about any team in the nation in given year.

AppState would immediately be competitive in the American and is very deserving of an invite to the AAC for football only.

AppState needs some P5 skins on the wall before it can be regarded as a Boise State of the East. IIRC, until this past year, when it beat a bad South Carolina team and a mediocre UNC team, App State had never beaten a P5 team, was like 0-7 against them.

Boise became "Boise" by getting in to and winning NY6/BCS bowls. As long as App State's 11 and 12 win seasons end with berths in the New Orleans or Camillia Bowls against MAC or Sun Belt competition, they just won't have anywhere near the same cachet.

That said, I do think they'd be a great fit for the AAC and would welcome them to replace UConn, as long as ESPN kept our per-school money at the same level.
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(09-09-2020 08:44 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:21 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 08:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:03 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  NIU won 57 from 2010-14 with an Orange Bowl. App St won 54 since 2015.

Unless you develop a Boise-like brand winning multiple BCS bowls, it won't matter. Neither fits the institutional profile.

App St. has zero chance of the AAC in the next 10-15 years. Never say never, but its unlikely at any point. They don't fit the profile and they only have been FBS for a handful of years.

The goal is to be the Boise State of the east.

App State is not there as of right now. They have to not slip up against a Georgia Southern or let a Penn State get away in overtime, and then get to the NY6 a few times and win. But they're the closest thing this side of the Mississippi River has to a Boise State-like football program. (I don't include AAC schools as being similar to Boise. Boise and App State are former FCS/1-AA schools who stepped up big in FBS. UCF was 1-AA, but they are the largest school in the country, and in the state of Florida. Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, Navy, ECU, SMU, etc., have been playing at the FBS level for many many decades.)

As for not matching the academic profile, App State could at worst be like Boise State there, too. Boise State doesn't exactly fit the profile of the Mountain West. New Mexico, Wyoming, Hawaii, and Nevada are flagships. Colorado State and Utah State are their states' land grant institutions. The Air Force Academy is all around elite. How does Boise fit in with them? Great (for the G5) football.

App State, like Boise State, would have to have a football program too outstanding to ignore in order to get into the AAC, just as Boise did with the MWC or attempted Big East football only. I fully recognize that. Even though App has averaged just shy of 11 wins the last five years, winning will have to not only maintain, but accelerate. Remember: Boise wasn't offered membership in the MWC until several years after their famous win over Oklahoma. And by the way, I think I'm doing a disservice to App State comparing any academic concerns AAC presidents may have to Boise State.

I agree with Bill Dazzle: the most realistic goal would be football only for the AAC. And as I have said before, I do not expect App to get in ahead of others, including the addition of nobody, unless App State wins at the clip Boise was from the mid 2000's to early 2010's.


In many respects, I already consider Appalachian State the "Boise State of the East," MinR.

There are various parallels involving the two football programs, both of which I highly respect and consider "major programs" — not on the same level as, say, Clemson or even Virginia Tech, of course, but clearly within the next tier down and able to beat just about any team in the nation in given year.

AppState would immediately be competitive in the American and is very deserving of an invite to the AAC for football only.

Appalachian St has the benefit of geography over Boise St which is huge. Put Boise St in, say, Louisiana and they’re in the XII a decade ago. There is no real power conference option for Boise St at this time and the American is a geographically bad idea for both the conference and school.

I agree overall.
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(09-09-2020 09:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:21 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 08:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:03 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  NIU won 57 from 2010-14 with an Orange Bowl. App St won 54 since 2015.

Unless you develop a Boise-like brand winning multiple BCS bowls, it won't matter. Neither fits the institutional profile.

App St. has zero chance of the AAC in the next 10-15 years. Never say never, but its unlikely at any point. They don't fit the profile and they only have been FBS for a handful of years.

The goal is to be the Boise State of the east.

App State is not there as of right now. They have to not slip up against a Georgia Southern or let a Penn State get away in overtime, and then get to the NY6 a few times and win. But they're the closest thing this side of the Mississippi River has to a Boise State-like football program. (I don't include AAC schools as being similar to Boise. Boise and App State are former FCS/1-AA schools who stepped up big in FBS. UCF was 1-AA, but they are the largest school in the country, and in the state of Florida. Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, Navy, ECU, SMU, etc., have been playing at the FBS level for many many decades.)

As for not matching the academic profile, App State could at worst be like Boise State there, too. Boise State doesn't exactly fit the profile of the Mountain West. New Mexico, Wyoming, Hawaii, and Nevada are flagships. Colorado State and Utah State are their states' land grant institutions. The Air Force Academy is all around elite. How does Boise fit in with them? Great (for the G5) football.

App State, like Boise State, would have to have a football program too outstanding to ignore in order to get into the AAC, just as Boise did with the MWC or attempted Big East football only. I fully recognize that. Even though App has averaged just shy of 11 wins the last five years, winning will have to not only maintain, but accelerate. Remember: Boise wasn't offered membership in the MWC until several years after their famous win over Oklahoma. And by the way, I think I'm doing a disservice to App State comparing any academic concerns AAC presidents may have to Boise State.

I agree with Bill Dazzle: the most realistic goal would be football only for the AAC. And as I have said before, I do not expect App to get in ahead of others, including the addition of nobody, unless App State wins at the clip Boise was from the mid 2000's to early 2010's.


In many respects, I already consider Appalachian State the "Boise State of the East," MinR.

There are various parallels involving the two football programs, both of which I highly respect and consider "major programs" — not on the same level as, say, Clemson or even Virginia Tech, of course, but clearly within the next tier down and able to beat just about any team in the nation in given year.

AppState would immediately be competitive in the American and is very deserving of an invite to the AAC for football only.

AppState needs some P5 skins on the wall before it can be regarded as a Boise State of the East. IIRC, until this past year, when it beat a bad South Carolina team and a mediocre UNC team, App State had never beaten a P5 team, was like 0-7 against them.

Boise became "Boise" by getting in to and winning NY6/BCS bowls. As long as App State's 11 and 12 win seasons end with berths in the New Orleans or Camillia Bowls against MAC or Sun Belt competition, they just won't have anywhere near the same cachet.

That said, I do think they'd be a great fit for the AAC and would welcome them to replace UConn, as long as ESPN kept our per-school money at the same level.


Good points. I guess I was thinking more "Boise of the East" in terms of name recognition, winning culture and passionate fans than I was on the field results.
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(09-09-2020 10:17 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 09:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:21 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 08:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  App St. has zero chance of the AAC in the next 10-15 years. Never say never, but its unlikely at any point. They don't fit the profile and they only have been FBS for a handful of years.

The goal is to be the Boise State of the east.

App State is not there as of right now. They have to not slip up against a Georgia Southern or let a Penn State get away in overtime, and then get to the NY6 a few times and win. But they're the closest thing this side of the Mississippi River has to a Boise State-like football program. (I don't include AAC schools as being similar to Boise. Boise and App State are former FCS/1-AA schools who stepped up big in FBS. UCF was 1-AA, but they are the largest school in the country, and in the state of Florida. Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, Navy, ECU, SMU, etc., have been playing at the FBS level for many many decades.)

As for not matching the academic profile, App State could at worst be like Boise State there, too. Boise State doesn't exactly fit the profile of the Mountain West. New Mexico, Wyoming, Hawaii, and Nevada are flagships. Colorado State and Utah State are their states' land grant institutions. The Air Force Academy is all around elite. How does Boise fit in with them? Great (for the G5) football.

App State, like Boise State, would have to have a football program too outstanding to ignore in order to get into the AAC, just as Boise did with the MWC or attempted Big East football only. I fully recognize that. Even though App has averaged just shy of 11 wins the last five years, winning will have to not only maintain, but accelerate. Remember: Boise wasn't offered membership in the MWC until several years after their famous win over Oklahoma. And by the way, I think I'm doing a disservice to App State comparing any academic concerns AAC presidents may have to Boise State.

I agree with Bill Dazzle: the most realistic goal would be football only for the AAC. And as I have said before, I do not expect App to get in ahead of others, including the addition of nobody, unless App State wins at the clip Boise was from the mid 2000's to early 2010's.


In many respects, I already consider Appalachian State the "Boise State of the East," MinR.

There are various parallels involving the two football programs, both of which I highly respect and consider "major programs" — not on the same level as, say, Clemson or even Virginia Tech, of course, but clearly within the next tier down and able to beat just about any team in the nation in given year.

AppState would immediately be competitive in the American and is very deserving of an invite to the AAC for football only.

AppState needs some P5 skins on the wall before it can be regarded as a Boise State of the East. IIRC, until this past year, when it beat a bad South Carolina team and a mediocre UNC team, App State had never beaten a P5 team, was like 0-7 against them.

Boise became "Boise" by getting in to and winning NY6/BCS bowls. As long as App State's 11 and 12 win seasons end with berths in the New Orleans or Camillia Bowls against MAC or Sun Belt competition, they just won't have anywhere near the same cachet.

That said, I do think they'd be a great fit for the AAC and would welcome them to replace UConn, as long as ESPN kept our per-school money at the same level.


Good points. I guess I was thinking more "Boise of the East" in terms of name recognition, winning culture and passionate fans than I was on the field results.

App State definitely has the winning culture and passionate fans.

BTW, App State is closer to the University of Kentucky than it is to ECU.
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(09-09-2020 09:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:21 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 08:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:03 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  NIU won 57 from 2010-14 with an Orange Bowl. App St won 54 since 2015.

Unless you develop a Boise-like brand winning multiple BCS bowls, it won't matter. Neither fits the institutional profile.

App St. has zero chance of the AAC in the next 10-15 years. Never say never, but its unlikely at any point. They don't fit the profile and they only have been FBS for a handful of years.

The goal is to be the Boise State of the east.

App State is not there as of right now. They have to not slip up against a Georgia Southern or let a Penn State get away in overtime, and then get to the NY6 a few times and win. But they're the closest thing this side of the Mississippi River has to a Boise State-like football program. (I don't include AAC schools as being similar to Boise. Boise and App State are former FCS/1-AA schools who stepped up big in FBS. UCF was 1-AA, but they are the largest school in the country, and in the state of Florida. Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, Navy, ECU, SMU, etc., have been playing at the FBS level for many many decades.)

As for not matching the academic profile, App State could at worst be like Boise State there, too. Boise State doesn't exactly fit the profile of the Mountain West. New Mexico, Wyoming, Hawaii, and Nevada are flagships. Colorado State and Utah State are their states' land grant institutions. The Air Force Academy is all around elite. How does Boise fit in with them? Great (for the G5) football.

App State, like Boise State, would have to have a football program too outstanding to ignore in order to get into the AAC, just as Boise did with the MWC or attempted Big East football only. I fully recognize that. Even though App has averaged just shy of 11 wins the last five years, winning will have to not only maintain, but accelerate. Remember: Boise wasn't offered membership in the MWC until several years after their famous win over Oklahoma. And by the way, I think I'm doing a disservice to App State comparing any academic concerns AAC presidents may have to Boise State.

I agree with Bill Dazzle: the most realistic goal would be football only for the AAC. And as I have said before, I do not expect App to get in ahead of others, including the addition of nobody, unless App State wins at the clip Boise was from the mid 2000's to early 2010's.


In many respects, I already consider Appalachian State the "Boise State of the East," MinR.

There are various parallels involving the two football programs, both of which I highly respect and consider "major programs" — not on the same level as, say, Clemson or even Virginia Tech, of course, but clearly within the next tier down and able to beat just about any team in the nation in given year.

AppState would immediately be competitive in the American and is very deserving of an invite to the AAC for football only.

AppState needs some P5 skins on the wall before it can be regarded as a Boise State of the East. IIRC, until this past year, when it beat a bad South Carolina team and a mediocre UNC team, App State had never beaten a P5 team, was like 0-7 against them.

Boise became "Boise" by getting in to and winning NY6/BCS bowls. As long as App State's 11 and 12 win seasons end with berths in the New Orleans or Camillia Bowls against MAC or Sun Belt competition, they just won't have anywhere near the same cachet.

That said, I do think they'd be a great fit for the AAC and would welcome them to replace UConn, as long as ESPN kept our per-school money at the same level.

Toledo, like App State has knocked off Michigan in the big house... As far as P5 skins go, the Rockets have accumulated a few over the years... - Penn State/#7 Pitt/#18 Arkansas/BYU/ Iowa State, and not to mention an all time winning record against Purdue (3-2)...
App State is very very good, and Toledo has struggled against them and other Sun Belt teams in bowls recently, but for a G5 program, Toledo has their share of notable wins...
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I like App State and hope that BYU somehow adds them to the 2020 schedule. But, total red herring for the AQ/P6 discussion. Appalachian State does not help the AAC in that goal.

The AAC needs ECU to get back to its winning ways. ECU has a lot more P5 scalps than App State and history has shown that good ECU teams can be a force in its region and attract great attendance and TV ratings. THAT would do way more for the AAC than in-region expansion.
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(09-09-2020 10:51 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 09:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:21 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 08:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  App St. has zero chance of the AAC in the next 10-15 years. Never say never, but its unlikely at any point. They don't fit the profile and they only have been FBS for a handful of years.

The goal is to be the Boise State of the east.

App State is not there as of right now. They have to not slip up against a Georgia Southern or let a Penn State get away in overtime, and then get to the NY6 a few times and win. But they're the closest thing this side of the Mississippi River has to a Boise State-like football program. (I don't include AAC schools as being similar to Boise. Boise and App State are former FCS/1-AA schools who stepped up big in FBS. UCF was 1-AA, but they are the largest school in the country, and in the state of Florida. Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, Navy, ECU, SMU, etc., have been playing at the FBS level for many many decades.)

As for not matching the academic profile, App State could at worst be like Boise State there, too. Boise State doesn't exactly fit the profile of the Mountain West. New Mexico, Wyoming, Hawaii, and Nevada are flagships. Colorado State and Utah State are their states' land grant institutions. The Air Force Academy is all around elite. How does Boise fit in with them? Great (for the G5) football.

App State, like Boise State, would have to have a football program too outstanding to ignore in order to get into the AAC, just as Boise did with the MWC or attempted Big East football only. I fully recognize that. Even though App has averaged just shy of 11 wins the last five years, winning will have to not only maintain, but accelerate. Remember: Boise wasn't offered membership in the MWC until several years after their famous win over Oklahoma. And by the way, I think I'm doing a disservice to App State comparing any academic concerns AAC presidents may have to Boise State.

I agree with Bill Dazzle: the most realistic goal would be football only for the AAC. And as I have said before, I do not expect App to get in ahead of others, including the addition of nobody, unless App State wins at the clip Boise was from the mid 2000's to early 2010's.


In many respects, I already consider Appalachian State the "Boise State of the East," MinR.

There are various parallels involving the two football programs, both of which I highly respect and consider "major programs" — not on the same level as, say, Clemson or even Virginia Tech, of course, but clearly within the next tier down and able to beat just about any team in the nation in given year.

AppState would immediately be competitive in the American and is very deserving of an invite to the AAC for football only.

AppState needs some P5 skins on the wall before it can be regarded as a Boise State of the East. IIRC, until this past year, when it beat a bad South Carolina team and a mediocre UNC team, App State had never beaten a P5 team, was like 0-7 against them.

Boise became "Boise" by getting in to and winning NY6/BCS bowls. As long as App State's 11 and 12 win seasons end with berths in the New Orleans or Camillia Bowls against MAC or Sun Belt competition, they just won't have anywhere near the same cachet.

That said, I do think they'd be a great fit for the AAC and would welcome them to replace UConn, as long as ESPN kept our per-school money at the same level.

Toledo, like App State has knocked off Michigan in the big house... As far as P5 skins go, the Rockets have accumulated a few over the years... - Penn State/#7 Pitt/#18 Arkansas/BYU/ Iowa State, and not to mention an all time winning record against Purdue (3-2)...
App State is very very good, and Toledo has struggled against them and other Sun Coast teams in bowls recently, but for a G5 program, Toledo has their share of notable wins...


I often forget about Toledo in the "who could the AAC add?" discussion. It's a fine university (I've walked the campus) with a very good football tradition. UT is located in a city, too, which is part of the American model. Toledo would be a quality addition to the American.
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(09-09-2020 11:47 AM)YNot Wrote:  I like App State and hope that BYU somehow adds them to the 2020 schedule. But, total red herring for the AQ/P6 discussion. Appalachian State does not help the AAC in that goal.

The AAC needs ECU to get back to its winning ways. ECU has a lot more P5 scalps than App State and history has shown that good ECU teams can be a force in its region and attract great attendance and TV ratings. THAT would do way more for the AAC than in-region expansion.


I'm not sure anybody (notwithstanding some extremely unrealistic pro-AAC types) has posted that adding AppState would help the AAC in its goal to be a AC/P6. There are no adds that would yield that. Not going to happen.

BYU is, by far, the most overall noteworthy in terms of a combo of athletics, academics, name recognition, endowment, enrollment, etc., that is not a member of a P5 league.

Agree fully on ECU. I recall some of the strong Pirate teams from the 1990s and 2000s. VERY good fan base.
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(09-09-2020 10:51 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 09:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:21 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 08:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  App St. has zero chance of the AAC in the next 10-15 years. Never say never, but its unlikely at any point. They don't fit the profile and they only have been FBS for a handful of years.

The goal is to be the Boise State of the east.

App State is not there as of right now. They have to not slip up against a Georgia Southern or let a Penn State get away in overtime, and then get to the NY6 a few times and win. But they're the closest thing this side of the Mississippi River has to a Boise State-like football program. (I don't include AAC schools as being similar to Boise. Boise and App State are former FCS/1-AA schools who stepped up big in FBS. UCF was 1-AA, but they are the largest school in the country, and in the state of Florida. Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, Navy, ECU, SMU, etc., have been playing at the FBS level for many many decades.)

As for not matching the academic profile, App State could at worst be like Boise State there, too. Boise State doesn't exactly fit the profile of the Mountain West. New Mexico, Wyoming, Hawaii, and Nevada are flagships. Colorado State and Utah State are their states' land grant institutions. The Air Force Academy is all around elite. How does Boise fit in with them? Great (for the G5) football.

App State, like Boise State, would have to have a football program too outstanding to ignore in order to get into the AAC, just as Boise did with the MWC or attempted Big East football only. I fully recognize that. Even though App has averaged just shy of 11 wins the last five years, winning will have to not only maintain, but accelerate. Remember: Boise wasn't offered membership in the MWC until several years after their famous win over Oklahoma. And by the way, I think I'm doing a disservice to App State comparing any academic concerns AAC presidents may have to Boise State.

I agree with Bill Dazzle: the most realistic goal would be football only for the AAC. And as I have said before, I do not expect App to get in ahead of others, including the addition of nobody, unless App State wins at the clip Boise was from the mid 2000's to early 2010's.


In many respects, I already consider Appalachian State the "Boise State of the East," MinR.

There are various parallels involving the two football programs, both of which I highly respect and consider "major programs" — not on the same level as, say, Clemson or even Virginia Tech, of course, but clearly within the next tier down and able to beat just about any team in the nation in given year.

AppState would immediately be competitive in the American and is very deserving of an invite to the AAC for football only.

AppState needs some P5 skins on the wall before it can be regarded as a Boise State of the East. IIRC, until this past year, when it beat a bad South Carolina team and a mediocre UNC team, App State had never beaten a P5 team, was like 0-7 against them.

Boise became "Boise" by getting in to and winning NY6/BCS bowls. As long as App State's 11 and 12 win seasons end with berths in the New Orleans or Camillia Bowls against MAC or Sun Belt competition, they just won't have anywhere near the same cachet.

That said, I do think they'd be a great fit for the AAC and would welcome them to replace UConn, as long as ESPN kept our per-school money at the same level.

Toledo, like App State has knocked off Michigan in the big house... As far as P5 skins go, the Rockets have accumulated a few over the years... - Penn State/#7 Pitt/#18 Arkansas/BYU/ Iowa State, and not to mention an all time winning record against Purdue (3-2)...
App State is very very good, and Toledo has struggled against them and other Sun Coast teams in bowls recently, but for a G5 program, Toledo has their share of notable wins...

I should have said that you have to collect the P5 skins in a reasonably short period of time. Any school that has been playing football for 100+ years is going to have some wins on their resume. But IIRC, the only P5 team that Toledo has beat the past 10 seasons is an 8-5 Arkansas team five years ago.

That's not going to cut it.
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RE: Would you do an AAC like this for AQ?
(09-09-2020 02:00 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 01:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 10:51 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 09:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  In many respects, I already consider Appalachian State the "Boise State of the East," MinR.

There are various parallels involving the two football programs, both of which I highly respect and consider "major programs" — not on the same level as, say, Clemson or even Virginia Tech, of course, but clearly within the next tier down and able to beat just about any team in the nation in given year.

AppState would immediately be competitive in the American and is very deserving of an invite to the AAC for football only.

AppState needs some P5 skins on the wall before it can be regarded as a Boise State of the East. IIRC, until this past year, when it beat a bad South Carolina team and a mediocre UNC team, App State had never beaten a P5 team, was like 0-7 against them.

Boise became "Boise" by getting in to and winning NY6/BCS bowls. As long as App State's 11 and 12 win seasons end with berths in the New Orleans or Camillia Bowls against MAC or Sun Belt competition, they just won't have anywhere near the same cachet.

That said, I do think they'd be a great fit for the AAC and would welcome them to replace UConn, as long as ESPN kept our per-school money at the same level.

Toledo, like App State has knocked off Michigan in the big house... As far as P5 skins go, the Rockets have accumulated a few over the years... - Penn State/#7 Pitt/#18 Arkansas/BYU/ Iowa State, and not to mention an all time winning record against Purdue (3-2)...
App State is very very good, and Toledo has struggled against them and other Sun Coast teams in bowls recently, but for a G5 program, Toledo has their share of notable wins...

I should have said that you have to collect the P5 skins in a reasonably short period of time. Any school that has been playing football for 100+ years is going to have some wins on their resume. But IIRC, the only P5 team that Toledo has beat the past 10 seasons is an 8-5 Arkansas team five years ago.

That's not going to cut it.

Toledo beat Iowa State and Arkansas five years ago (2015 season)...
Took down Purdue in West Lafayette ten years ago...
Knocked off BYU ( though non P5 ) last year... Seems like BYU had their way Labor Day...
Same team that the Rockets beat last year... Just more experience...
On a side note, if not for the flagrant one sided officiating down in Columbus against o$u nine years ago, that would have been a fairly nice P5 scalp... A 15-2 discrepancy in penalties led that crew to be reprimanded by the big ten office later that season ...
The fix was on !!
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(09-07-2020 08:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The problem I see here is - if these schools are all currently making no more than $7m a year in media money (the AAC schools), with most making much less than that - what makes you think that ESPN or anyone else would be willing to pay $20 million a school for this conference?

I don’t see $20million per either. But $12MM per might be a deal supported by a network for the following 2 big reasons...

1). More fans per team interested in all the teams listed because NY6 garunteed for AAC champ. This also would boost local booster support from local businesses wanting to get in the action being associated with their local “power conference” team.

2). Multiplied by 24 in 5 time zones, LDS, all 3 military academies, and people like me who would watch AAC East and Central games because they’re my Bulldogs’ conference mates.
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(09-12-2020 09:46 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  
(09-07-2020 08:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The problem I see here is - if these schools are all currently making no more than $7m a year in media money (the AAC schools), with most making much less than that - what makes you think that ESPN or anyone else would be willing to pay $20 million a school for this conference?

I don’t see $20million per either. But $12MM per might be a deal supported by a network for the following 2 big reasons...

1). More fans per team interested in all the teams listed because NY6 garunteed for AAC champ. This also would boost local booster support from local businesses wanting to get in the action being associated with their local “power conference” team.

2). Multiplied by 24 in 5 time zones, LDS, all 3 military academies, and people like me who would watch AAC East and Central games because they’re my Bulldogs’ conference mates.

I agree

I’d think $12M/school plus guaranteed auto bid to NY6 with true P6 status, if all worked out by ESPN (teams they want, time slots they’ll guarantee filling weekly, and money per school more than what AAC gets now) the presidents will look hard at that.
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