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RE: The AAC has had more AP Top 25 FB teams than some Power conferences have had.
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(09-07-2020 11:35 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  IIRC, UConn was NOT one of the most valuable assets according to ESPN. if certain schools left, the contact could be diminished. Believe those schools included Houston, Cincinnati, USF, and UCF and maybe one other. Don't think UConn was included in that group.

UConn basketball was a loss, despite how mediocre to poor they had become in MBB. UConn football had gone past dumpster fire status. Other than padding the win totals of other teams, it was addition by subtraction in football.

Wrong. It was UConn, Temple, Cincinnati and Houston. No Florida schools.

Now UConn's value was probably from basketball.

And UConn has never got to be as much as a dumpster fire as Temple and Rutgers were when they were in the Big East. Rutgers usually lost to Temple. Temple had one season where they drew 17,000 fans---for the ENTIRE year!


Maybe you are referring to the original AAC contract, but even then I think you are wrong, since it did not include UConn.

The deal that begins this year included UCF, Houston, Memphis, and Cincinnati as the single teams that would force a renegotiation of the deal by themselves. Otherwise it required multiple schools to force a renegotiation. UConn leaving did trigger an option for restructuring the current contract.

The "Group A" teams in the 2013 deal with NBC/ESPN were UConn, Temple, Cincy, and Houston:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...g-sources.

In the new 2020 deal, SBJ reported that ESPN could renegotiate the deal if any schools left, though the report said they were particularly concerned about UCF, USF, Memphis, Houston and Cincy possibly leaving. But the contract itself doesn't distinguish among any of the schools, there is no longer the Group A/B distinction.

And realistically, the AAC didn't have an 80/20 fb/bb split like the P5 in their first contract. They were getting paid similar to what the Big East was getting for basketball alone.

And that is why the renegotiate, but who really believes UConn,s loss will affect that much. Maybe non fans of the AAC.
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RE: The AAC has had more AP Top 25 FB teams than some Power conferences have had.
(09-07-2020 08:19 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  
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(09-07-2020 01:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  Wrong. It was UConn, Temple, Cincinnati and Houston. No Florida schools.

Now UConn's value was probably from basketball.

And UConn has never got to be as much as a dumpster fire as Temple and Rutgers were when they were in the Big East. Rutgers usually lost to Temple. Temple had one season where they drew 17,000 fans---for the ENTIRE year!


Maybe you are referring to the original AAC contract, but even then I think you are wrong, since it did not include UConn.

The deal that begins this year included UCF, Houston, Memphis, and Cincinnati as the single teams that would force a renegotiation of the deal by themselves. Otherwise it required multiple schools to force a renegotiation. UConn leaving did trigger an option for restructuring the current contract.

The "Group A" teams in the 2013 deal with NBC/ESPN were UConn, Temple, Cincy, and Houston:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...g-sources.

In the new 2020 deal, SBJ reported that ESPN could renegotiate the deal if any schools left, though the report said they were particularly concerned about UCF, USF, Memphis, Houston and Cincy possibly leaving. But the contract itself doesn't distinguish among any of the schools, there is no longer the Group A/B distinction.

And realistically, the AAC didn't have an 80/20 fb/bb split like the P5 in their first contract. They were getting paid similar to what the Big East was getting for basketball alone.

And that is why the renegotiate, but who really believes UConn,s loss will affect that much. Maybe non fans of the AAC.
Wasn't a renegotiation. Their contract expired. I don't know what ESPN's thinking was, but looking at the BE contract and the rest of the G5 contracts, I'm guessing the AAC was paid only slightly more than the rest of the G5 for football, but was paid well for basketball. Their ratings have been good, so now they are getting a significant premium for football over the rest of the G5.

UConn is a huge loss for basketball. You're delusional if you think it doesn't. A few rough seasons doesn't erase 4 national titles. That puts them ahead of Kansas and behind only UCLA, UK, UNC, Duke and Indiana. And football is more about the top half of the conference than the bottom, so it doesn't help losing them in football.
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RE: The AAC has had more AP Top 25 FB teams than some Power conferences have had.
(09-08-2020 08:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-07-2020 08:19 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  
(09-07-2020 08:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-07-2020 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-07-2020 03:07 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Maybe you are referring to the original AAC contract, but even then I think you are wrong, since it did not include UConn.

The deal that begins this year included UCF, Houston, Memphis, and Cincinnati as the single teams that would force a renegotiation of the deal by themselves. Otherwise it required multiple schools to force a renegotiation. UConn leaving did trigger an option for restructuring the current contract.

The "Group A" teams in the 2013 deal with NBC/ESPN were UConn, Temple, Cincy, and Houston:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...g-sources.

In the new 2020 deal, SBJ reported that ESPN could renegotiate the deal if any schools left, though the report said they were particularly concerned about UCF, USF, Memphis, Houston and Cincy possibly leaving. But the contract itself doesn't distinguish among any of the schools, there is no longer the Group A/B distinction.

And realistically, the AAC didn't have an 80/20 fb/bb split like the P5 in their first contract. They were getting paid similar to what the Big East was getting for basketball alone.

And that is why the renegotiate, but who really believes UConn,s loss will affect that much. Maybe non fans of the AAC.
Wasn't a renegotiation. Their contract expired. I don't know what ESPN's thinking was, but looking at the BE contract and the rest of the G5 contracts, I'm guessing the AAC was paid only slightly more than the rest of the G5 for football, but was paid well for basketball. Their ratings have been good, so now they are getting a significant premium for football over the rest of the G5.

UConn is a huge loss for basketball. You're delusional if you think it doesn't. A few rough seasons doesn't erase 4 national titles. That puts them ahead of Kansas and behind only UCLA, UK, UNC, Duke and Indiana. And football is more about the top half of the conference than the bottom, so it doesn't help losing them in football.

Their football Tv ratings were the worst in the league for many years now Even Tulsa and Tulane did better. . I don’t understand why you are being so obtuse on this issue.

Yes, it sucks for hoops, but in the grand scheme of things ESPN gave this conference a new media deal and there has been no indication there will be a per team pay cut after UConn left.
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RE: The AAC has had more AP Top 25 FB teams than some Power conferences have had.
(09-08-2020 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 08:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-07-2020 08:19 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  
(09-07-2020 08:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-07-2020 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The "Group A" teams in the 2013 deal with NBC/ESPN were UConn, Temple, Cincy, and Houston:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...g-sources.

In the new 2020 deal, SBJ reported that ESPN could renegotiate the deal if any schools left, though the report said they were particularly concerned about UCF, USF, Memphis, Houston and Cincy possibly leaving. But the contract itself doesn't distinguish among any of the schools, there is no longer the Group A/B distinction.

And realistically, the AAC didn't have an 80/20 fb/bb split like the P5 in their first contract. They were getting paid similar to what the Big East was getting for basketball alone.

And that is why the renegotiate, but who really believes UConn,s loss will affect that much. Maybe non fans of the AAC.
Wasn't a renegotiation. Their contract expired. I don't know what ESPN's thinking was, but looking at the BE contract and the rest of the G5 contracts, I'm guessing the AAC was paid only slightly more than the rest of the G5 for football, but was paid well for basketball. Their ratings have been good, so now they are getting a significant premium for football over the rest of the G5.

UConn is a huge loss for basketball. You're delusional if you think it doesn't. A few rough seasons doesn't erase 4 national titles. That puts them ahead of Kansas and behind only UCLA, UK, UNC, Duke and Indiana. And football is more about the top half of the conference than the bottom, so it doesn't help losing them in football.

Their football Tv ratings were the worst in the league for many years now Even Tulsa and Tulane did better. . I don’t understand why you are being so obtuse on this issue.

Yes, it sucks for hoops, but in the grand scheme of things ESPN gave this conference a new media deal and there has been no indication there will be a per team pay cut after UConn left.

The simple point is that you are dissing UConn because they decided the Big East was better than the AAC. Basketball was better and they think their football schedule will be better (obviously didn't work too well this year!). If you weren't so hung up on getting left behind, again, you would have understood what I said in the first paragraph. The AAC ratings were good, so they got paid better. Your interpretation claiming I said UConn had great fb ratings makes no sense whatsoever from the words or the context. Learn to read without your prejudices clouding your interpretations.
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RE: The AAC has had more AP Top 25 FB teams than some Power conferences have had.
(09-08-2020 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 08:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-07-2020 08:19 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  
(09-07-2020 08:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  And realistically, the AAC didn't have an 80/20 fb/bb split like the P5 in their first contract. They were getting paid similar to what the Big East was getting for basketball alone.

And that is why the renegotiate, but who really believes UConn,s loss will affect that much. Maybe non fans of the AAC.
Wasn't a renegotiation. Their contract expired. I don't know what ESPN's thinking was, but looking at the BE contract and the rest of the G5 contracts, I'm guessing the AAC was paid only slightly more than the rest of the G5 for football, but was paid well for basketball. Their ratings have been good, so now they are getting a significant premium for football over the rest of the G5.

UConn is a huge loss for basketball. You're delusional if you think it doesn't. A few rough seasons doesn't erase 4 national titles. That puts them ahead of Kansas and behind only UCLA, UK, UNC, Duke and Indiana. And football is more about the top half of the conference than the bottom, so it doesn't help losing them in football.

Their football Tv ratings were the worst in the league for many years now Even Tulsa and Tulane did better. . I don’t understand why you are being so obtuse on this issue.

Yes, it sucks for hoops, but in the grand scheme of things ESPN gave this conference a new media deal and there has been no indication there will be a per team pay cut after UConn left.

The simple point is that you are dissing UConn because they decided the Big East was better than the AAC. Basketball was better and they think their football schedule will be better (obviously didn't work too well this year!). If you weren't so hung up on getting left behind, again, you would have understood what I said in the first paragraph. The AAC ratings were good, so they got paid better. Your interpretation claiming I said UConn had great fb ratings makes no sense whatsoever from the words or the context. Learn to read without your prejudices clouding your interpretations.

Yes, before UConn split, AAC fans typically held them up as a major member of the conference. Once they left, now it's "good riddance, they were dragging our football down". It's the butt-hurt of the jilted.

Truth is, despite their football ineptitude, UConn was the biggest brand-name in the AAC. That's just how it was.

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RE: The AAC has had more AP Top 25 FB teams than some Power conferences have had.
(09-08-2020 06:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 08:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-07-2020 08:19 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  And that is why the renegotiate, but who really believes UConn,s loss will affect that much. Maybe non fans of the AAC.
Wasn't a renegotiation. Their contract expired. I don't know what ESPN's thinking was, but looking at the BE contract and the rest of the G5 contracts, I'm guessing the AAC was paid only slightly more than the rest of the G5 for football, but was paid well for basketball. Their ratings have been good, so now they are getting a significant premium for football over the rest of the G5.

UConn is a huge loss for basketball. You're delusional if you think it doesn't. A few rough seasons doesn't erase 4 national titles. That puts them ahead of Kansas and behind only UCLA, UK, UNC, Duke and Indiana. And football is more about the top half of the conference than the bottom, so it doesn't help losing them in football.

Their football Tv ratings were the worst in the league for many years now Even Tulsa and Tulane did better. . I don’t understand why you are being so obtuse on this issue.

Yes, it sucks for hoops, but in the grand scheme of things ESPN gave this conference a new media deal and there has been no indication there will be a per team pay cut after UConn left.

The simple point is that you are dissing UConn because they decided the Big East was better than the AAC. Basketball was better and they think their football schedule will be better (obviously didn't work too well this year!). If you weren't so hung up on getting left behind, again, you would have understood what I said in the first paragraph. The AAC ratings were good, so they got paid better. Your interpretation claiming I said UConn had great fb ratings makes no sense whatsoever from the words or the context. Learn to read without your prejudices clouding your interpretations.

Yes, before UConn split, AAC fans typically held them up as a major member of the conference. Once they left, now it's "good riddance, they were dragging our football down". It's the butt-hurt of the jilted.

Truth is, despite their football ineptitude, UConn was the biggest brand-name in the AAC. That's just how it was.

07-coffee3

Well, then, UConn should absolutely dominate in its new one-trick-pony conference. And it probably will, in women's basketball, until Geno retires. After that, it'll rank right down there with all of the other state flagships in New England.
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RE: The AAC has had more AP Top 25 FB teams than some Power conferences have had.
(09-08-2020 06:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 08:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-07-2020 08:19 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  And that is why the renegotiate, but who really believes UConn,s loss will affect that much. Maybe non fans of the AAC.
Wasn't a renegotiation. Their contract expired. I don't know what ESPN's thinking was, but looking at the BE contract and the rest of the G5 contracts, I'm guessing the AAC was paid only slightly more than the rest of the G5 for football, but was paid well for basketball. Their ratings have been good, so now they are getting a significant premium for football over the rest of the G5.

UConn is a huge loss for basketball. You're delusional if you think it doesn't. A few rough seasons doesn't erase 4 national titles. That puts them ahead of Kansas and behind only UCLA, UK, UNC, Duke and Indiana. And football is more about the top half of the conference than the bottom, so it doesn't help losing them in football.

Their football Tv ratings were the worst in the league for many years now Even Tulsa and Tulane did better. . I don’t understand why you are being so obtuse on this issue.

Yes, it sucks for hoops, but in the grand scheme of things ESPN gave this conference a new media deal and there has been no indication there will be a per team pay cut after UConn left.

The simple point is that you are dissing UConn because they decided the Big East was better than the AAC. Basketball was better and they think their football schedule will be better (obviously didn't work too well this year!). If you weren't so hung up on getting left behind, again, you would have understood what I said in the first paragraph. The AAC ratings were good, so they got paid better. Your interpretation claiming I said UConn had great fb ratings makes no sense whatsoever from the words or the context. Learn to read without your prejudices clouding your interpretations.

Yes, before UConn split, AAC fans typically held them up as a major member of the conference. Once they left, now it's "good riddance, they were dragging our football down". It's the butt-hurt of the jilted.

Truth is, despite their football ineptitude, UConn was the biggest brand-name in the AAC. That's just how it was.

07-coffee3

I don't think anyone that follows CFB thinks UConn was the biggest brand in the AAC. Cincy, Houston and UCF all have multiple major bowl appearances since 2005 BE expansion. UConn had one, but back doored into it in a 4 or 5 way tie for first where they had the tie breakers, and got blown out by Oklahoma, and sold less than 4000 tickets. Not the standard for an elite program.
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RE: The AAC has had more AP Top 25 FB teams than some Power conferences have had.
(09-08-2020 07:19 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 06:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 08:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  Wasn't a renegotiation. Their contract expired. I don't know what ESPN's thinking was, but looking at the BE contract and the rest of the G5 contracts, I'm guessing the AAC was paid only slightly more than the rest of the G5 for football, but was paid well for basketball. Their ratings have been good, so now they are getting a significant premium for football over the rest of the G5.

UConn is a huge loss for basketball. You're delusional if you think it doesn't. A few rough seasons doesn't erase 4 national titles. That puts them ahead of Kansas and behind only UCLA, UK, UNC, Duke and Indiana. And football is more about the top half of the conference than the bottom, so it doesn't help losing them in football.

Their football Tv ratings were the worst in the league for many years now Even Tulsa and Tulane did better. . I don’t understand why you are being so obtuse on this issue.

Yes, it sucks for hoops, but in the grand scheme of things ESPN gave this conference a new media deal and there has been no indication there will be a per team pay cut after UConn left.

The simple point is that you are dissing UConn because they decided the Big East was better than the AAC. Basketball was better and they think their football schedule will be better (obviously didn't work too well this year!). If you weren't so hung up on getting left behind, again, you would have understood what I said in the first paragraph. The AAC ratings were good, so they got paid better. Your interpretation claiming I said UConn had great fb ratings makes no sense whatsoever from the words or the context. Learn to read without your prejudices clouding your interpretations.

Yes, before UConn split, AAC fans typically held them up as a major member of the conference. Once they left, now it's "good riddance, they were dragging our football down". It's the butt-hurt of the jilted.

Truth is, despite their football ineptitude, UConn was the biggest brand-name in the AAC. That's just how it was.

07-coffee3

Well, then, UConn should absolutely dominate in its new one-trick-pony conference. And it probably will, in women's basketball, until Geno retires. After that, it'll rank right down there with all of the other state flagships in New England.

In men's basketball? Ever heard of Villanova?
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RE: The AAC has had more AP Top 25 FB teams than some Power conferences have had.
(09-08-2020 07:52 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 06:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 08:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  Wasn't a renegotiation. Their contract expired. I don't know what ESPN's thinking was, but looking at the BE contract and the rest of the G5 contracts, I'm guessing the AAC was paid only slightly more than the rest of the G5 for football, but was paid well for basketball. Their ratings have been good, so now they are getting a significant premium for football over the rest of the G5.

UConn is a huge loss for basketball. You're delusional if you think it doesn't. A few rough seasons doesn't erase 4 national titles. That puts them ahead of Kansas and behind only UCLA, UK, UNC, Duke and Indiana. And football is more about the top half of the conference than the bottom, so it doesn't help losing them in football.

Their football Tv ratings were the worst in the league for many years now Even Tulsa and Tulane did better. . I don’t understand why you are being so obtuse on this issue.

Yes, it sucks for hoops, but in the grand scheme of things ESPN gave this conference a new media deal and there has been no indication there will be a per team pay cut after UConn left.

The simple point is that you are dissing UConn because they decided the Big East was better than the AAC. Basketball was better and they think their football schedule will be better (obviously didn't work too well this year!). If you weren't so hung up on getting left behind, again, you would have understood what I said in the first paragraph. The AAC ratings were good, so they got paid better. Your interpretation claiming I said UConn had great fb ratings makes no sense whatsoever from the words or the context. Learn to read without your prejudices clouding your interpretations.

Yes, before UConn split, AAC fans typically held them up as a major member of the conference. Once they left, now it's "good riddance, they were dragging our football down". It's the butt-hurt of the jilted.

Truth is, despite their football ineptitude, UConn was the biggest brand-name in the AAC. That's just how it was.

07-coffee3

I don't think anyone that follows CFB thinks UConn was the biggest brand in the AAC. Cincy, Houston and UCF all have multiple major bowl appearances since 2005 BE expansion. UConn had one, but back doored into it in a 4 or 5 way tie for first where they had the tie breakers, and got blown out by Oklahoma, and sold less than 4000 tickets. Not the standard for an elite program.


I think Quo meant UConn was the AAC's "biggest brand name" in an all-around sense (academics, hoops, historical associations with big-time athletic programs from the Big East days, baseball, state flagship, etc.).

However, I would contend the "biggest brand name" in the AAC is Navy — because a military academy "brand" goes way beyond sports.

And quite frankly — and admittedly I'm biased because I root for the Bearcats — losing Cincinnati because of its one-two hoops/football punch and its very respectable academics (med school and strong endowment, for examples) would have been worse for the American than having lost UConn.
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(09-09-2020 08:15 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 07:52 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 06:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Their football Tv ratings were the worst in the league for many years now Even Tulsa and Tulane did better. . I don’t understand why you are being so obtuse on this issue.

Yes, it sucks for hoops, but in the grand scheme of things ESPN gave this conference a new media deal and there has been no indication there will be a per team pay cut after UConn left.

The simple point is that you are dissing UConn because they decided the Big East was better than the AAC. Basketball was better and they think their football schedule will be better (obviously didn't work too well this year!). If you weren't so hung up on getting left behind, again, you would have understood what I said in the first paragraph. The AAC ratings were good, so they got paid better. Your interpretation claiming I said UConn had great fb ratings makes no sense whatsoever from the words or the context. Learn to read without your prejudices clouding your interpretations.

Yes, before UConn split, AAC fans typically held them up as a major member of the conference. Once they left, now it's "good riddance, they were dragging our football down". It's the butt-hurt of the jilted.

Truth is, despite their football ineptitude, UConn was the biggest brand-name in the AAC. That's just how it was.

07-coffee3

I don't think anyone that follows CFB thinks UConn was the biggest brand in the AAC. Cincy, Houston and UCF all have multiple major bowl appearances since 2005 BE expansion. UConn had one, but back doored into it in a 4 or 5 way tie for first where they had the tie breakers, and got blown out by Oklahoma, and sold less than 4000 tickets. Not the standard for an elite program.


I think Quo meant UConn was the AAC's "biggest brand name" in an all-around sense (academics, hoops, historical associations with big-time athletic programs from the Big East days, baseball, state flagship, etc.).

However, I would contend the "biggest brand name" in the AAC is Navy — because a military academy "brand" goes way beyond sports.

And quite frankly — and admittedly I'm biased because I root for the Bearcats — losing Cincinnati because of its one-two hoops/football punch and its very respectable academics (med school and strong endowment, for examples) would have been worse for the American than having lost UConn.
They couldn't replace Cincinnati with a comparable school, but they wouldn't be that much of a loss either. Nobody in the AAC in football is good enough or dominant enough to be a big loss on their own. In basketball, UConn was clearly the biggest brand.
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the AAC conference schedule is brutal compared to what the SEC plays LOL 01-wingedeagle
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But Bill, Navy is a partial member. I agree Navy is the biggest brand in the AAC but the AAC doesn't get as much as they can get until Army is invited as a partial member.

UConn was the biggest overall brand (Cincy has an argument too) but UCF is catching up to those two. With 10 players out this fall they might take a step back. I'm seeing as many UCF license plates in St Pete as USF. This wasn't the case 4-5 years ago.

TM's knee jerk AAC brand rating

Navy here...but not a full member
1. Cincy
2. UCF (higher than they probably should be)
3. Memphis
4. Houston
5. USF
6. SMU
7. Temple
8. Tulane
9. ECU
10. Tulsa

In reality I'd probably put the Top 4 all in a same group. Each has strengths and are well known. Memphis and Houston bring basketball cachet which UCF has zero.
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(09-09-2020 08:15 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
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(09-08-2020 06:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 09:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Their football Tv ratings were the worst in the league for many years now Even Tulsa and Tulane did better. . I don’t understand why you are being so obtuse on this issue.

Yes, it sucks for hoops, but in the grand scheme of things ESPN gave this conference a new media deal and there has been no indication there will be a per team pay cut after UConn left.

The simple point is that you are dissing UConn because they decided the Big East was better than the AAC. Basketball was better and they think their football schedule will be better (obviously didn't work too well this year!). If you weren't so hung up on getting left behind, again, you would have understood what I said in the first paragraph. The AAC ratings were good, so they got paid better. Your interpretation claiming I said UConn had great fb ratings makes no sense whatsoever from the words or the context. Learn to read without your prejudices clouding your interpretations.

Yes, before UConn split, AAC fans typically held them up as a major member of the conference. Once they left, now it's "good riddance, they were dragging our football down". It's the butt-hurt of the jilted.

Truth is, despite their football ineptitude, UConn was the biggest brand-name in the AAC. That's just how it was.

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I don't think anyone that follows CFB thinks UConn was the biggest brand in the AAC. Cincy, Houston and UCF all have multiple major bowl appearances since 2005 BE expansion. UConn had one, but back doored into it in a 4 or 5 way tie for first where they had the tie breakers, and got blown out by Oklahoma, and sold less than 4000 tickets. Not the standard for an elite program.


I think Quo meant UConn was the AAC's "biggest brand name" in an all-around sense (academics, hoops, historical associations with big-time athletic programs from the Big East days, baseball, state flagship, etc.).

However, I would contend the "biggest brand name" in the AAC is Navy — because a military academy "brand" goes way beyond sports.

That's exactly what I meant - UConn was the biggest "all-around" brand in the AAC, so thanks for clarifying that for others.

But I disagree about Navy > UConn. While yes, everyone knows the Naval Academy, IMO that military shine does not rub off on the athletic brand.

Maybe I'm just too old school - when I was growing up with college football in the 1970s and 1980s, the military academies were regarded as the most abjectly cream-puff teams a major football team could schedule. Notre Dame constantly had to defend its yearly scheduling of Navy, etc. The service academies were just the lowest on the totem pole.

My dad would regale me with stories of the Army powerhouse teams of the mid-1940s and of traveling up from DC to Philly to see his beloved Irish beat a good Roger Staubach - led Navy team in 1962. But that all seemed like the most ancient of history to me as it happened before I was born.

I've never really stopped viewing the service academies through that lens.
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Quo...you are essentially correct about the service academies. They are special cases. The Army/Navy game is one of the top events in sports though so they get special consideration.
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(09-09-2020 09:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 08:15 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 07:52 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 06:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  The simple point is that you are dissing UConn because they decided the Big East was better than the AAC. Basketball was better and they think their football schedule will be better (obviously didn't work too well this year!). If you weren't so hung up on getting left behind, again, you would have understood what I said in the first paragraph. The AAC ratings were good, so they got paid better. Your interpretation claiming I said UConn had great fb ratings makes no sense whatsoever from the words or the context. Learn to read without your prejudices clouding your interpretations.

Yes, before UConn split, AAC fans typically held them up as a major member of the conference. Once they left, now it's "good riddance, they were dragging our football down". It's the butt-hurt of the jilted.

Truth is, despite their football ineptitude, UConn was the biggest brand-name in the AAC. That's just how it was.

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I don't think anyone that follows CFB thinks UConn was the biggest brand in the AAC. Cincy, Houston and UCF all have multiple major bowl appearances since 2005 BE expansion. UConn had one, but back doored into it in a 4 or 5 way tie for first where they had the tie breakers, and got blown out by Oklahoma, and sold less than 4000 tickets. Not the standard for an elite program.


I think Quo meant UConn was the AAC's "biggest brand name" in an all-around sense (academics, hoops, historical associations with big-time athletic programs from the Big East days, baseball, state flagship, etc.).

However, I would contend the "biggest brand name" in the AAC is Navy — because a military academy "brand" goes way beyond sports.

And quite frankly — and admittedly I'm biased because I root for the Bearcats — losing Cincinnati because of its one-two hoops/football punch and its very respectable academics (med school and strong endowment, for examples) would have been worse for the American than having lost UConn.
They couldn't replace Cincinnati with a comparable school, but they wouldn't be that much of a loss either. Nobody in the AAC in football is good enough or dominant enough to be a big loss on their own. In basketball, UConn was clearly the biggest brand.


Agree fully, Bullet, that UConn was the biggest men's (and women's) hoops brand. Major loss for the AAC in that sport.

I disagree about Cincinnati. If the Bearcat program had left (to say the Big) instead of UConn to the Big East ... that would have been even "more bad" for the AAC.

The three programs in the American that have had the most success (to an extent even on a national level) in both football and hoops since the 1950s: Cincy, Houston and Memphis. That's your "power trio" in the AAC and losing any one of those three would have been "worse" (at least in many respects) than losing UConn.

Do note, I am strongly on record on this board as contending the loss of UConn is very harmful to the American overall and that I always try to acknowledge my "homerism" with Memphis and Cincy.
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(09-09-2020 09:24 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  But Bill, Navy is a partial member. I agree Navy is the biggest brand in the AAC but the AAC doesn't get as much as they can get until Army is invited as a partial member.

UConn was the biggest overall brand (Cincy has an argument too) but UCF is catching up to those two. With 10 players out this fall they might take a step back. I'm seeing as many UCF license plates in St Pete as USF. This wasn't the case 4-5 years ago.

TM's knee jerk AAC brand rating

Navy here...but not a full member
1. Cincy
2. UCF (higher than they probably should be)
3. Memphis
4. Houston
5. USF
6. SMU
7. Temple
8. Tulane
9. ECU
10. Tulsa

In reality I'd probably put the Top 4 all in a same group. Each has strengths and are well known. Memphis and Houston bring basketball cachet which UCF has zero.


Some valid points, TMark.

I like your brand ranking overall. I would go this route:

1A. Cincy
1B. Houston
3. Memphis
4. SMU (strong academics, lots of history, some good hoops)
5. Temple (tremendous basketball history and great city)
6. UCF (the football success of late has been huge)
7. Tulane (strong academics and great city)
8. Tulsa
9. USF
10. ECU (I've been constructively critical of ECU on this board but always try to fairly acknowledge the impressive football fan base, strong baseball and school of medicine)
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(09-09-2020 09:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-09-2020 08:15 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 07:52 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 06:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-08-2020 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  The simple point is that you are dissing UConn because they decided the Big East was better than the AAC. Basketball was better and they think their football schedule will be better (obviously didn't work too well this year!). If you weren't so hung up on getting left behind, again, you would have understood what I said in the first paragraph. The AAC ratings were good, so they got paid better. Your interpretation claiming I said UConn had great fb ratings makes no sense whatsoever from the words or the context. Learn to read without your prejudices clouding your interpretations.

Yes, before UConn split, AAC fans typically held them up as a major member of the conference. Once they left, now it's "good riddance, they were dragging our football down". It's the butt-hurt of the jilted.

Truth is, despite their football ineptitude, UConn was the biggest brand-name in the AAC. That's just how it was.

07-coffee3

I don't think anyone that follows CFB thinks UConn was the biggest brand in the AAC. Cincy, Houston and UCF all have multiple major bowl appearances since 2005 BE expansion. UConn had one, but back doored into it in a 4 or 5 way tie for first where they had the tie breakers, and got blown out by Oklahoma, and sold less than 4000 tickets. Not the standard for an elite program.


I think Quo meant UConn was the AAC's "biggest brand name" in an all-around sense (academics, hoops, historical associations with big-time athletic programs from the Big East days, baseball, state flagship, etc.).

However, I would contend the "biggest brand name" in the AAC is Navy — because a military academy "brand" goes way beyond sports.

That's exactly what I meant - UConn was the biggest "all-around" brand in the AAC, so thanks for clarifying that for others.

But I disagree about Navy > UConn. While yes, everyone knows the Naval Academy, IMO that military shine does not rub off on the athletic brand.

Maybe I'm just too old school - when I was growing up with college football in the 1970s and 1980s, the military academies were regarded as the most abjectly cream-puff teams a major football team could schedule. Notre Dame constantly had to defend its yearly scheduling of Navy, etc. The service academies were just the lowest on the totem pole.

My dad would regale me with stories of the Army powerhouse teams of the mid-1940s and of traveling up from DC to Philly to see his beloved Irish beat a good Roger Staubach - led Navy team in 1962. But that all seemed like the most ancient of history to me as it happened before I was born.

I've never really stopped viewing the service academies through that lens.


I always enjoyed watching Roger Staubach as a kid, Quo.

Your points about "UConn vs. Navy" are legit — but there is something about a military academy as it relates to how "sports, culture and society" can collide for both good and bad. I guess that's the Dr. Harry Edwards in me (the younger posters on this board might be lost with that one).

As such, I put Navy as the most important AAC "brand" and "member" in a very "big picture" respect.

Were I to be more specific, I would acknowledge UConn's huge brand for many metrics I listed in the previous post.

The "football problem" with UConn compared to Cincy, Memphis and Houston is well known and glaring. I often note endowments, academic budgets, Olympic sports, history with other programs, fan bases, baseball, facilities, location/city, etc. in these debates. And those are all valid.

But football is such a HUGE element of branding and perception. And Navy football is more like Alabama football compared to Husky football.

Still, I see your points and do agree with you in many respects. My use of Navy in this discussion might be a bit awkward.
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^ 'Tis a good time to be a Bearcat fan.

- Football has consistently been very good since 2000, especially starting in 2006. Coming off back-to-back 11 win seasons, they return 16/22 starters from last year plus get their best defensive player from 2018 who sat out due to an injury. Luke Fickell turns down Michigan State and several other P5 jobs and signs an extension that pays him $3.4M a year. The assistant pool bumped to $3.85M. DC Marcus Freeman picked the #1 coordinator in CFB. He just signed a new two-year deal. Last year team had the #41 Recruiting Class in the Country (best outside the P5). Dennis Dodd and Desmond Howard has picked them to make the CFP this year.

- In addition to the historical accomplishments, the team has been to 9 straight NCAAT's. Won the regular season in the AAC last year. Have three key transfers coming in this year and John Brannen is recruiting at a higher level than Mick Cronin did. Basketball arena packed every night, top 30 in attendance in the country.

- Baseball team won the conference tournament in 2018 (last year's season shot due to the Rona). UC crushed UConn in the CCG 22-0.

- Women's hoops, historically a joke, is trending upwards with two 22+ win seasons and a WNIT bid (would have been in last year but Rona).

- Women's Volleyball made the Sweet 16, led by Olympian Jordan Thompson.

- 16/17 of the teams in the athletic department have posted a 3.0 or better for 23 consecutive grading periods. After the Spring of 2019 the department recorded an all-time collective GPA high of 3.372.
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(09-09-2020 10:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^ 'Tis a good time to be a Bearcat fan.

- Football has consistently been very good since 2000, especially starting in 2006. Coming off back-to-back 11 win seasons, they return 16/22 starters from last year plus get their best defensive player from 2018 who sat out due to an injury. Luke Fickell turns down Michigan State and several other P5 jobs and signs an extension that pays him $3.4M a year. The assistant pool bumped to $3.85M. DC Marcus Freeman picked the #1 coordinator in CFB. He just signed a new two-year deal. Last year team had the #41 Recruiting Class in the Country (best outside the P5). Dennis Dodd and Desmond Howard has picked them to make the CFP this year.

- In addition to the historical accomplishments, the team has been to 9 straight NCAAT's. Won the regular season in the AAC last year. Have three key transfers coming in this year and John Brannen is recruiting at a higher level than Mick Cronin did. Basketball arena packed every night, top 30 in attendance in the country.

- Baseball team won the conference tournament in 2018 (last year's season shot due to the Rona).

- Women's hoops, historically a joke, is trending upwards with two 22+ win seasons and a WNIT bid (would have been in last year but Rona).

- Women's Volleyball made the Sweet 16, led by Olympian Jordan Thompson.

- 16/17 of the teams in the athletic department have posted a 3.0 or better for 23 consecutive grading periods. After the Spring of 2019 the department recorded an all-time collective GPA high of 3.372.


Reading this got me fired up enough to drive to the Bardstown Road Skyline Chili joint in Louisville (the Skyline located within closest proximity to Nashville) to get nasty with plate of five-way vegetarian.

UC sports are doing well, indeed.
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(09-09-2020 10:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^ 'Tis a good time to be a Bearcat fan.

- Football has consistently been very good since 2000, especially starting in 2006. Coming off back-to-back 11 win seasons, they return 16/22 starters from last year plus get their best defensive player from 2018 who sat out due to an injury. Luke Fickell turns down Michigan State and several other P5 jobs and signs an extension that pays him $3.4M a year. The assistant pool bumped to $3.85M. DC Marcus Freeman picked the #1 coordinator in CFB. He just signed a new two-year deal. Last year team had the #41 Recruiting Class in the Country (best outside the P5). Dennis Dodd and Desmond Howard has picked them to make the CFP this year.

- In addition to the historical accomplishments, the team has been to 9 straight NCAAT's. Won the regular season in the AAC last year. Have three key transfers coming in this year and John Brannen is recruiting at a higher level than Mick Cronin did. Basketball arena packed every night, top 30 in attendance in the country.

- Baseball team won the conference tournament in 2018 (last year's season shot due to the Rona).

- Women's hoops, historically a joke, is trending upwards with two 22+ win seasons and a WNIT bid (would have been in last year but Rona).

- Women's Volleyball made the Sweet 16, led by Olympian Jordan Thompson.

- 16/17 of the teams in the athletic department have posted a 3.0 or better for 23 consecutive grading periods. After the Spring of 2019 the department recorded an all-time collective GPA high of 3.372.

I agree...huge strides. Started in CUSA with the initial improvements of the stadium. Cincy, Memphis and Houston all bring in the kicker of basketball cachet.

Cuse played at Cincy in the mid 90s and all I remember was seeing that industrial or steam plant in the background. It looked hideous. Cincy is probably my favorite CUSA stadium. The Liberty Bowl is historic and cool too. Navy probably next
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