(08-27-2020 08:40 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 07:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 05:54 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 05:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  speech

"The activist below found a way to turn a paraplegic standing up in his wheelchair an act of white supremacy," Daily Caller reporter Chuck Ross tweeted.

I'm not sure who's more guilty of hyperbole... Yamiche Alcindor or Chuck Ross.

I thought this was somewhat on point:

Quote:"How on earth could you possibly turn the rather moving act of a FREAKIN' PARAPLEGIC rising for the national anthem into some weird BLM trip?"

Well, it might take one who is so vested in the movement to note an act of 'standing for the national anthem' as a 'rebuke'. Kind of grotesque in my mind.

I didn't watch the speech and I'm not going to go back and do so. My assumption is that he was pointing out that he stands for the national anthem and for the flag (in contradistinction to those protesters who don't). A bit of red meat for the base? Perhaps that's why one guy read it as a rebuke? I may be off on this (again... didn't watch). Maybe he didn't draw any type of comparison to the prostesters.

TBH when I read about his standing last night I immediately wondered what the disabled community thought about that moment. I guessed it wouldn't be well-received by those disabled people with whom I have had some interaction.

https://medium.com/@kristenann.parisi/th...0aab01c986

(08-27-2020 08:40 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 07:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 05:54 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 05:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  speech

"The activist below found a way to turn a paraplegic standing up in his wheelchair an act of white supremacy," Daily Caller reporter Chuck Ross tweeted.

I'm not sure who's more guilty of hyperbole... Yamiche Alcindor or Chuck Ross.

I thought this was somewhat on point:

Quote:"How on earth could you possibly turn the rather moving act of a FREAKIN' PARAPLEGIC rising for the national anthem into some weird BLM trip?"

Well, it might take one who is so vested in the movement to note an act of 'standing for the national anthem' as a 'rebuke'. Kind of grotesque in my mind.

I didn't watch the speech and I'm not going to go back and do so. My assumption is that he was pointing out that he stands for the national anthem and for the flag (in contradistinction to those protesters who don't). A bit of red meat for the base? Perhaps that's why one guy read it as a rebuke? I may be off on this (again... didn't watch). Maybe he didn't draw any type of comparison to the prostesters.

The entire speech - 4 minutes and 15 seconds - in linked in post #17. I would think a fair person as yourself would take the 4+ minutes to KNOW what was said, rather than relying on your imagination. FWIW, I think you have him wrong.

(08-27-2020 09:00 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 08:40 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 07:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 05:54 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 05:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  speech

"The activist below found a way to turn a paraplegic standing up in his wheelchair an act of white supremacy," Daily Caller reporter Chuck Ross tweeted.

I'm not sure who's more guilty of hyperbole... Yamiche Alcindor or Chuck Ross.

I thought this was somewhat on point:

Quote:"How on earth could you possibly turn the rather moving act of a FREAKIN' PARAPLEGIC rising for the national anthem into some weird BLM trip?"

Well, it might take one who is so vested in the movement to note an act of 'standing for the national anthem' as a 'rebuke'. Kind of grotesque in my mind.

I didn't watch the speech and I'm not going to go back and do so. My assumption is that he was pointing out that he stands for the national anthem and for the flag (in contradistinction to those protesters who don't). A bit of red meat for the base? Perhaps that's why one guy read it as a rebuke? I may be off on this (again... didn't watch). Maybe he didn't draw any type of comparison to the prostesters.

The entire speech - 4 minutes and 15 seconds - in linked in post #17. I would think a fair person as yourself would take the 4+ minutes to KNOW what was said, rather than relying on your imagination. FWIW, I think you have him wrong.

OK... you shamed me into watching it. Quite the nothingburger. I guess I can understand where the correspondent came up with "rebuke" because discussing "standing for your nation" is a pretty obvious statement given today's outrage over kneeling for the anthem. Subtle, to be sure.

Somewhat related... oh my God this guy will be the least qualified congressman of all time. I wonder what all the right-wingers who chastised AOC and who still call her "The Bartender" will think of this guy's background:

from Wiki:

Quote:Cawthorn attended Patrick Henry College during the fall 2016 semester to study political science. He dropped out after his first semester after earning mostly D’s, primarily, he said, because his injuries had interfered with his ability to learn.[5][11]

Career
Cawthorn is the chief executive officer[failed verification] of SPQR Holdings, LLC, a real estate investment firm in Hendersonville.[15] The firm was created in August 2019 and reported no income; he is its sole employee.[5]

(08-27-2020 08:56 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 08:40 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 07:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 05:54 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 05:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  speech

"The activist below found a way to turn a paraplegic standing up in his wheelchair an act of white supremacy," Daily Caller reporter Chuck Ross tweeted.

I'm not sure who's more guilty of hyperbole... Yamiche Alcindor or Chuck Ross.

I thought this was somewhat on point:

Quote:"How on earth could you possibly turn the rather moving act of a FREAKIN' PARAPLEGIC rising for the national anthem into some weird BLM trip?"

Well, it might take one who is so vested in the movement to note an act of 'standing for the national anthem' as a 'rebuke'. Kind of grotesque in my mind.

I didn't watch the speech and I'm not going to go back and do so. My assumption is that he was pointing out that he stands for the national anthem and for the flag (in contradistinction to those protesters who don't). A bit of red meat for the base? Perhaps that's why one guy read it as a rebuke? I may be off on this (again... didn't watch). Maybe he didn't draw any type of comparison to the prostesters.

TBH when I read about his standing last night I immediately wondered what the disabled community thought about that moment. I guessed it wouldn't be well-received by those disabled people with whom I have had some interaction.

https://medium.com/@kristenann.parisi/th...0aab01c986

Lolz -- all your link did was cry that that disabled person didnt speak for whom and on those issues that *they* wanted him to speak.

According to that article the only things that disabled people with a national platform should ever speak about are those issues that relate to the disabled community.

Reading that screech about what they expect Cawthorn to talk about, no wonder your team denotes any black person who doesnt preach about the black experience an 'Uncle Tom', which they do to a person at some point in time.

Yep, how *dare* Cawthorn doesnt speak about disabled issues. The sheer arrogance and temerity.

I guess that those disabled people with whom you have interaction expect any disabled person to preach nothing but disabled issues. Interesting.

I note that Greg Abbott, our governor, is also disabled. I bet he rolled his chair into the quiet room and ranted at mirror for 20 minutes, since he sure hasnt shown any upsetness and the temerity of Cawthorn.

I'm somewhat torn by mixed emotions on this issue. Yes, I think Black and Brown and Red people are being screwed, and badly, in this country. But I don't think that systemic racism or police brutality are the root causes.

The root cause IMO is that one party profits greatly at the polls by having and maintaining a permanent victim underclass, and the other party has so far shown itself to be feckless and incompetent at developing opposition. I think it is high time--well past high time in fact--for republicans to become again the Party of Lincoln and to emancipate people of color from the welfare plantation.

I think we need to have conversations, and I am very open to having conversations. But I reject any argument that the whole problem is widespread institutional racism among law enforcement, and doesn't look deeper for the underlying causes. One thing that I think should be examined much more deeply is the relationship between compliance/resistance by citizens and the outcomes. I say this because I've had several conversations where it has been made clear that Black men, in particular, believe that they must resist law enforcement instead of complying. The mentality seems to be, "I have to resist or else I am going to get killed." But the ones who get killed are the ones who resist. I think that is a huge factor. Whenever you resist, you automatically take the confrontation up a notch or a few, and taking the confrontation up a notch or a few when at least one of you (the other guy) is armed is not a sensible step.

(08-27-2020 11:37 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 08:56 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 08:40 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 07:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 05:54 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'm not sure who's more guilty of hyperbole... Yamiche Alcindor or Chuck Ross.

I thought this was somewhat on point:

Quote:"How on earth could you possibly turn the rather moving act of a FREAKIN' PARAPLEGIC rising for the national anthem into some weird BLM trip?"

Well, it might take one who is so vested in the movement to note an act of 'standing for the national anthem' as a 'rebuke'. Kind of grotesque in my mind.

I didn't watch the speech and I'm not going to go back and do so. My assumption is that he was pointing out that he stands for the national anthem and for the flag (in contradistinction to those protesters who don't). A bit of red meat for the base? Perhaps that's why one guy read it as a rebuke? I may be off on this (again... didn't watch). Maybe he didn't draw any type of comparison to the prostesters.

TBH when I read about his standing last night I immediately wondered what the disabled community thought about that moment. I guessed it wouldn't be well-received by those disabled people with whom I have had some interaction.

https://medium.com/@kristenann.parisi/th...0aab01c986

Lolz -- all your link did was cry that that disabled person didnt speak for whom and on those issues that *they* wanted him to speak.

I felt like the point of her article was calling him out for his political stunt (can agree that's what it was?) and the message it sent about ableism.

Quote:According to that article the only things that disabled people with a national platform should ever speak about are those issues that relate to the disabled community.

Disagree. I don't think she had a problem with him speaking about health care, cancel culture, etc. She didn't like his stunt and noted that he could have spoken to many issues that affect the disabled but instead he chose the stunt.

Quote:Reading that screech about what they expect Cawthorn to talk about, no wonder your team denotes any black person who doesnt preach about the black experience an 'Uncle Tom', which they do to a person at some point in time.

Yep, how *dare* Cawthorn doesnt speak about disabled issues. The sheer arrogance and temerity.

I didn't get that from her article.

Quote:I guess that those disabled people with whom you have interaction expect any disabled person to preach nothing but disabled issues. Interesting.

Again... no.

(08-27-2020 09:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 09:00 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 08:40 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 07:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 05:54 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'm not sure who's more guilty of hyperbole... Yamiche Alcindor or Chuck Ross.

I thought this was somewhat on point:

Quote:"How on earth could you possibly turn the rather moving act of a FREAKIN' PARAPLEGIC rising for the national anthem into some weird BLM trip?"

Well, it might take one who is so vested in the movement to note an act of 'standing for the national anthem' as a 'rebuke'. Kind of grotesque in my mind.

I didn't watch the speech and I'm not going to go back and do so. My assumption is that he was pointing out that he stands for the national anthem and for the flag (in contradistinction to those protesters who don't). A bit of red meat for the base? Perhaps that's why one guy read it as a rebuke? I may be off on this (again... didn't watch). Maybe he didn't draw any type of comparison to the prostesters.

The entire speech - 4 minutes and 15 seconds - in linked in post #17. I would think a fair person as yourself would take the 4+ minutes to KNOW what was said, rather than relying on your imagination. FWIW, I think you have him wrong.

OK... you shamed me into watching it. Quite the nothingburger. I guess I can understand where the correspondent came up with "rebuke" because discussing "standing for your nation" is a pretty obvious statement given today's outrage over kneeling for the anthem. Subtle, to be sure.

Somewhat related... oh my God this guy will be the least qualified congressman of all time. I wonder what all the right-wingers who chastised AOC and who still call her "The Bartender" will think of this guy's background:

from Wiki:

Quote:Cawthorn attended Patrick Henry College during the fall 2016 semester to study political science. He dropped out after his first semester after earning mostly D’s, primarily, he said, because his injuries had interfered with his ability to learn.[5][11]

Career
Cawthorn is the chief executive officer[failed verification] of SPQR Holdings, LLC, a real estate investment firm in Hendersonville.[15] The firm was created in August 2019 and reported no income; he is its sole employee.[5]

When he proposes something as stupid as the GND he will move into her class.

I will say, though, real estate investment firms may well show no income until a property is sold. Even (some) Democrats can understand that. So if the firm bought a property in Aug 2019, it just now would be eligible for LT capital gains tax treatment.

Sounds like he formed the LLC (what do you think those letters mean?) to limit his liability while holding certain propert(ies) for resale, a very prudent move.

And these are the people who want to see Trump's tax returns, thinking they can discern something illegal?

(08-28-2020 08:50 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 09:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 09:00 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 08:40 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 07:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I thought this was somewhat on point:


Well, it might take one who is so vested in the movement to note an act of 'standing for the national anthem' as a 'rebuke'. Kind of grotesque in my mind.

I didn't watch the speech and I'm not going to go back and do so. My assumption is that he was pointing out that he stands for the national anthem and for the flag (in contradistinction to those protesters who don't). A bit of red meat for the base? Perhaps that's why one guy read it as a rebuke? I may be off on this (again... didn't watch). Maybe he didn't draw any type of comparison to the prostesters.

The entire speech - 4 minutes and 15 seconds - in linked in post #17. I would think a fair person as yourself would take the 4+ minutes to KNOW what was said, rather than relying on your imagination. FWIW, I think you have him wrong.

OK... you shamed me into watching it. Quite the nothingburger. I guess I can understand where the correspondent came up with "rebuke" because discussing "standing for your nation" is a pretty obvious statement given today's outrage over kneeling for the anthem. Subtle, to be sure.

Somewhat related... oh my God this guy will be the least qualified congressman of all time. I wonder what all the right-wingers who chastised AOC and who still call her "The Bartender" will think of this guy's background:

from Wiki:

Quote:Cawthorn attended Patrick Henry College during the fall 2016 semester to study political science. He dropped out after his first semester after earning mostly D’s, primarily, he said, because his injuries had interfered with his ability to learn.[5][11]

Career
Cawthorn is the chief executive officer[failed verification] of SPQR Holdings, LLC, a real estate investment firm in Hendersonville.[15] The firm was created in August 2019 and reported no income; he is its sole employee.[5]

When he proposes something as stupid as the GND he will move into her class.

I will say, though, real estate investment firms may well show no income until a property is sold. Even (some) Democrats can understand that. So if the firm bought a property in Aug 2019, it just now would be eligible for LT capital gains tax treatment.

Sounds like he formed the LLC (what do you think those letters mean?) to limit his liability while holding certain propert(ies) for resale, a very prudent move.

And these are the people who want to see Trump's tax returns, thinking they can discern something illegal?

I understand all that (no income, LLC, etc.). I'm just questioning his bona fides for serving as a US congressman.

He started his LLC one year ago (presumably after buying a rental property or something of that ilk)... I'm not going to put "significant business experience" on his resume. Not sure if he ever got any significant education beyond high school (home school?). Sounds like he worked in a congressman's office for some time after his injury - unclear as to what capacity. Did some motivational speaking following the injury...

At what point did he decide to run for Congress?

(08-28-2020 08:44 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I felt like the point of her article was calling him out for his political stunt (can agree that's what it was?) and the message it sent about ableism.

Well, I guess people see what they want to see.

To me, the standing sent a message about respecting our country and its emblems. In fact, did he not say that exactly?

I speak as a partially handicapped person who struggles to his feet for the flag and the anthem. I am not in a wheelchair...yet. I have a lot of difficulty walking ion uneven ground, using stairs, and yes, standing for any appreciable length of time. I have a hamdicapped placard in my car.

Thankis for speaking for me, 93, but I think you have it wrong. Your desire to diminish this guy is amazing.

(08-28-2020 09:00 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 08:44 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I felt like the point of her article was calling him out for his political stunt (can agree that's what it was?) and the message it sent about ableism.

Well, I guess people see what they want to see.

Yes. I'm sure a disabled person might interpret his act in a much different manner than someone who is not disabled.

Quote:To me, the standing sent a message about respecting our country and its emblems. In fact, did he not say that exactly?

I speak as a partially handicapped person who struggles to his feet for the flag and the anthem. I am not in a wheelchair...yet. I have a lot of difficulty walking ion uneven ground, using stairs, and yes, standing for any appreciable length of time. I have a hamdicapped placard in my car.

Thankis for speaking for me, 93, but I think you have it wrong. Your desire to diminish this guy is amazing.

I'm not speaking for you. I posted the article (the author is speaking) and referenced disabled people from whom I have heard similar sentiments.

I am not trying to diminish him. I'm trying to understand what qualifications he has to serve as a Congressman in light of the massive outcry from the right about AOC's background.

(08-28-2020 09:00 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 08:44 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I felt like the point of her article was calling him out for his political stunt (can agree that's what it was?) and the message it sent about ableism.

Well, I guess people see what they want to see.

To me, the standing sent a message about respecting our country and its emblems. In fact, did he not say that exactly?

I agree. That's why I can understand how the PBS commentator read it as a rebuke of the kneeling athletes.

(08-28-2020 09:05 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:00 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 08:44 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I felt like the point of her article was calling him out for his political stunt (can agree that's what it was?) and the message it sent about ableism.

Well, I guess people see what they want to see.

Sure. I'm sure a disabled person might interpret his act in a much different manner than someone who is not disabled.

Quote:To me, the standing sent a message about respecting our country and its emblems. In fact, did he not say that exactly?

I speak as a partially handicapped person who struggles to his feet for the flag and the anthem. I am not in a wheelchair...yet. I have a lot of difficulty walking ion uneven ground, using stairs, and yes, standing for any appreciable length of time. I have a hamdicapped placard in my car.

Thankis for speaking for me, 93, but I think you have it wrong. Your desire to diminish this guy is amazing.

I'm not speaking for you. I posted the article (the author is speaking) and referenced disabled people from whom I have heard similar sentiments.

I am not trying to diminish him. I'm trying to understand what qualifications he has to serve as a Congressman in light of the massive outcry from the right about AOC's background.

Well, he does not live in a dream world. So there is one clear advantage over AOC.

You chose to speak for handicapped people. I qualify.

If I was in his district, I probably would vote for him, because of the personal qualities I see in those 4 minutes. I presume you would just look at his resume. Or his party.

I explained how a real estate investment firm could show no income. Did you read it? Does it change your attiitude toward him one whit? Is that still a part of your position that he is unqualified/ What if next year he makes a sale of a property he has held since August 2019 for a six figure profit? Is he still as unqualified as AOC?

I have, and have had, investment property that generates little current income. Heck, I am sitting on some as we type. I don't need a 26 acre front yard. It is investment property, and I hope it insulates me from the Democratic War on Capital. A lot of it is road frontage, and will be prime commercial property someday. But for now, I have zero income from it. I understand from experience. But it is a simple concept, even a college dropout could understand it. If they wanted to.

Take out the innuendo about the LLC, and all you have is the dropping out of college. Hardly the first person to drop out and become prominent or a success. let's write his obit when he is 70, not 25.

To be plain about it, my objection to AOC is her stupid and illogical stance on issues, codified in the GND, not her resume. I didn't even know she had tended bar.

One of my (eventual) branch managers came to me from a donut shop.

(08-28-2020 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:05 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:00 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 08:44 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I felt like the point of her article was calling him out for his political stunt (can agree that's what it was?) and the message it sent about ableism.

Well, I guess people see what they want to see.

Sure. I'm sure a disabled person might interpret his act in a much different manner than someone who is not disabled.

Quote:To me, the standing sent a message about respecting our country and its emblems. In fact, did he not say that exactly?

I speak as a partially handicapped person who struggles to his feet for the flag and the anthem. I am not in a wheelchair...yet. I have a lot of difficulty walking ion uneven ground, using stairs, and yes, standing for any appreciable length of time. I have a hamdicapped placard in my car.

Thankis for speaking for me, 93, but I think you have it wrong. Your desire to diminish this guy is amazing.

I'm not speaking for you. I posted the article (the author is speaking) and referenced disabled people from whom I have heard similar sentiments.

I am not trying to diminish him. I'm trying to understand what qualifications he has to serve as a Congressman in light of the massive outcry from the right about AOC's background.

Well, he does not live in a dream world. So there is one clear advantage over AOC.

You chose to speak for handicapped people. I qualify.

I posted an article... "here's what this disabled person has to say about this." I said that it was in keeping with things I have heard from other disabled people. I did not speak for handicapped people.

Quote:If I was in his district, I probably would vote for him, because of the personal qualities I see in those 4 minutes. I presume you would just look at his resume. Or his party.

Yes... I would definitely like to know about his background to see what his qualifications are. I watched the video and I didn't get anything beyond the normal generalizations you would expect from a candidate. Would you really be ready to vote for him based on those 4 minutes of what I would consider very little information?

Quote:I explained how a real estate investment firm could show no income. Did you read it? Does it change your attiitude toward him one whit? Is that still a part of your position that he is unqualified/ What if next year he makeas a slae of a property he has held since August 2019 for a six figure profit? Is he still as unqualified as AOC.

I have, and have had, investment property that generates little current income. I understand from experience. But it is a simple concept, even a college dropout could understand it.

I also have investment properties (some unfortunately with zero income) so I have some understanding of the economics of this. If you are going to put "business experience" on his CV then I'd like to know some details. Was it simply a 10 minute North Carolina SoS website visit to set up the LLC and then buying a $59k foreclosure in his town? Was it more substantial than that?

Quote:To be plain about it, my objection to AOC is her stupid and illogical stance on issues, codified in the GND, not her resume. I didn't even know she had tended bar.

OK... but a ton of the right wing went crazy about her background and continue to refer to her as "The Bartender". It's just weird that they are happy to anoint this guy as a rising GOP star based on what? That's he's handsome?

(08-28-2020 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:05 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:00 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 08:44 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I felt like the point of her article was calling him out for his political stunt (can agree that's what it was?) and the message it sent about ableism.

Well, I guess people see what they want to see.

Sure. I'm sure a disabled person might interpret his act in a much different manner than someone who is not disabled.

Quote:To me, the standing sent a message about respecting our country and its emblems. In fact, did he not say that exactly?

I speak as a partially handicapped person who struggles to his feet for the flag and the anthem. I am not in a wheelchair...yet. I have a lot of difficulty walking ion uneven ground, using stairs, and yes, standing for any appreciable length of time. I have a hamdicapped placard in my car.

Thankis for speaking for me, 93, but I think you have it wrong. Your desire to diminish this guy is amazing.

I'm not speaking for you. I posted the article (the author is speaking) and referenced disabled people from whom I have heard similar sentiments.

I am not trying to diminish him. I'm trying to understand what qualifications he has to serve as a Congressman in light of the massive outcry from the right about AOC's background.

Well, he does not live in a dream world. So there is one clear advantage over AOC.

You chose to speak for handicapped people. I qualify.

If I was in his district, I probably would vote for him, because of the personal qualities I see in those 4 minutes. I presume you would just look at his resume. Or his party.

I explained how a real estate investment firm could show no income. Did you read it? Does it change your attiitude toward him one whit? Is that still a part of your position that he is unqualified/ What if next year he makes a sale of a property he has held since August 2019 for a six figure profit? Is he still as unqualified as AOC?

I have, and have had, investment property that generates little current income. Heck, I am sitting on some as we type. I don't need a 26 acre front yard. It is investment property, and I hope it insulates me from the Democratic War on Capital. A lot of it is road frontage, and will be prime commercial property someday. But for now, I have zero income from it. I understand from experience. But it is a simple concept, even a college dropout could understand it. If they wanted to.

Take out the innuendo about the LLC, and all you have is the dropping out of college. Hardly the first person to drop out and become prominent or a success. let's write his obit when he is 70, not 25.

To be plain about it, my objection to AOC is her stupid and illogical stance on issues, codified in the GND, not her resume. I didn't even know she had tended bar.

One of my (eventual) branch managers came to me from a donut shop.

Did they come to you from the donut shop asking to be CEO? That's my point here.
I don't have a problem with dropping out of college. Lots of smart, wildly succesful people do.

Quote:I also have investment properties (some unfortunately with zero income) so I have some understanding of the economics of this. If you are going to put "business experience" on his CV then I'd like to know some details. Was it simply a 10 minute North Carolina SoS website visit to set up the LLC and then buying a $59k foreclosure in his town? Was it more substantial than that?

No idea. You were the one would published the info about the LLC having no income, and I just pointed out that, in and of itself, does not mean it was a failure or a bad move. Apparently you have made the same move yourself, but perhaps without the cover of a LLC.

But if he bought a $59K forecluse and can sell it a year or so later for, say, $132K, how does that prove your point?

If he used a website to set up his LLC, or used a lawyer, so what? The impressive thing to me is that he set up the LLC. Apparently, HOW he did it is the salient point to you.

You posted this as a negative - it may well be, in fact, a positive.

has nothing to do with his speech, does it?

Quote:To be plain about it, my objection to AOC is her stupid and illogical stance on issues, codified in the GND, not her resume. I didn't even know she had tended bar.

OK... but a ton of the right wing went crazy about her background and continue to refer to her as "The Bartender". It's just weird that they are happy to anoint this guy as a rising GOP star based on what? That's he's handsome?
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I think his looks and his handicap play into it, but primarily it is the issues he espouses - such as standing for the National Anthem.

Well, as we all on both sides have noted, most recently Lad, trying to attribute thoughts and feelings to an individual from a perceived group identity is fraught with some pitfalls.

I didn't even know AOC had tended bar. I worked as a waiter in college, and a parking garage attendant, and other jobs I am less proud of. But if went to Congress and proposed something as inane as the GND - say a belt of orditing space stations with guns turned outward to combat the green menace - I would deserve the same lack of respect.

She has lied to us (they are making the immigrants drink out of toilets!) and your side doesn't care. Why? because she is pretty?

I think AOC is woefully ignorant, despite the degree on her CV. The proof is the GND.

(08-28-2020 09:32 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:05 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:00 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 08:44 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I felt like the point of her article was calling him out for his political stunt (can agree that's what it was?) and the message it sent about ableism.

Well, I guess people see what they want to see.

Sure. I'm sure a disabled person might interpret his act in a much different manner than someone who is not disabled.

Quote:To me, the standing sent a message about respecting our country and its emblems. In fact, did he not say that exactly?

I speak as a partially handicapped person who struggles to his feet for the flag and the anthem. I am not in a wheelchair...yet. I have a lot of difficulty walking ion uneven ground, using stairs, and yes, standing for any appreciable length of time. I have a hamdicapped placard in my car.

Thankis for speaking for me, 93, but I think you have it wrong. Your desire to diminish this guy is amazing.

I'm not speaking for you. I posted the article (the author is speaking) and referenced disabled people from whom I have heard similar sentiments.

I am not trying to diminish him. I'm trying to understand what qualifications he has to serve as a Congressman in light of the massive outcry from the right about AOC's background.

Well, he does not live in a dream world. So there is one clear advantage over AOC.

You chose to speak for handicapped people. I qualify.

If I was in his district, I probably would vote for him, because of the personal qualities I see in those 4 minutes. I presume you would just look at his resume. Or his party.

I explained how a real estate investment firm could show no income. Did you read it? Does it change your attiitude toward him one whit? Is that still a part of your position that he is unqualified/ What if next year he makes a sale of a property he has held since August 2019 for a six figure profit? Is he still as unqualified as AOC?

I have, and have had, investment property that generates little current income. Heck, I am sitting on some as we type. I don't need a 26 acre front yard. It is investment property, and I hope it insulates me from the Democratic War on Capital. A lot of it is road frontage, and will be prime commercial property someday. But for now, I have zero income from it. I understand from experience. But it is a simple concept, even a college dropout could understand it. If they wanted to.

Take out the innuendo about the LLC, and all you have is the dropping out of college. Hardly the first person to drop out and become prominent or a success. let's write his obit when he is 70, not 25.

To be plain about it, my objection to AOC is her stupid and illogical stance on issues, codified in the GND, not her resume. I didn't even know she had tended bar.

One of my (eventual) branch managers came to me from a donut shop.

Did they come to you from the donut shop asking to be CEO? That's my point here.
I don't have a problem with dropping out of college. Lots of smart, wildly succesful people do.

so, this young man has asked to be made president? Who does he think he is, Kamala Harris?

Lets make this simple. What has he proposed that you vigorously oppose, like I oppose the GND?

(08-28-2020 10:00 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:32 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:05 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:00 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Well, I guess people see what they want to see.

Sure. I'm sure a disabled person might interpret his act in a much different manner than someone who is not disabled.

Quote:To me, the standing sent a message about respecting our country and its emblems. In fact, did he not say that exactly?

I speak as a partially handicapped person who struggles to his feet for the flag and the anthem. I am not in a wheelchair...yet. I have a lot of difficulty walking ion uneven ground, using stairs, and yes, standing for any appreciable length of time. I have a hamdicapped placard in my car.

Thankis for speaking for me, 93, but I think you have it wrong. Your desire to diminish this guy is amazing.

I'm not speaking for you. I posted the article (the author is speaking) and referenced disabled people from whom I have heard similar sentiments.

I am not trying to diminish him. I'm trying to understand what qualifications he has to serve as a Congressman in light of the massive outcry from the right about AOC's background.

Well, he does not live in a dream world. So there is one clear advantage over AOC.

You chose to speak for handicapped people. I qualify.

If I was in his district, I probably would vote for him, because of the personal qualities I see in those 4 minutes. I presume you would just look at his resume. Or his party.

I explained how a real estate investment firm could show no income. Did you read it? Does it change your attiitude toward him one whit? Is that still a part of your position that he is unqualified/ What if next year he makes a sale of a property he has held since August 2019 for a six figure profit? Is he still as unqualified as AOC?

I have, and have had, investment property that generates little current income. Heck, I am sitting on some as we type. I don't need a 26 acre front yard. It is investment property, and I hope it insulates me from the Democratic War on Capital. A lot of it is road frontage, and will be prime commercial property someday. But for now, I have zero income from it. I understand from experience. But it is a simple concept, even a college dropout could understand it. If they wanted to.

Take out the innuendo about the LLC, and all you have is the dropping out of college. Hardly the first person to drop out and become prominent or a success. let's write his obit when he is 70, not 25.

To be plain about it, my objection to AOC is her stupid and illogical stance on issues, codified in the GND, not her resume. I didn't even know she had tended bar.

One of my (eventual) branch managers came to me from a donut shop.

Did they come to you from the donut shop asking to be CEO? That's my point here.
I don't have a problem with dropping out of college. Lots of smart, wildly succesful people do.

so, this young man has asked to be made president?

Lets make this simple. What has he proposed that you vigorously oppose, like I oppose the GND?

I was equating a donut shop employee asking to be CEO of your business to this young man asking to be a Congressman.

I don't oppose anything that I heard from him in those 4 minutes. It was mostly generalizations/platitudes. Nothing to hang my hat on. What do you like about him - that he says that you should stand for the National Anthem (like literally every other GOP candidate?)?

(08-28-2020 09:51 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

Quote:I also have investment properties (some unfortunately with zero income) so I have some understanding of the economics of this. If you are going to put "business experience" on his CV then I'd like to know some details. Was it simply a 10 minute North Carolina SoS website visit to set up the LLC and then buying a $59k foreclosure in his town? Was it more substantial than that?

No idea. You were the one would published the info about the LLC having no income, and I just pointed out that, in and of itself, does not mean it was a failure or a bad move. Apparently you have made the same move yourself, but perhaps without the cover of a LLC.

But if he bought a $59K forecluse and can sell it a year or so later for, say, $132K, how does that prove your point?

If he used a website to set up his LLC, or used a lawyer, so what? The impressive thing to me is that he set up the LLC. Apparently, HOW he did it is the salient point to you.

You posted this as a negative - it may well be, in fact, a positive.

Huh? When did I say that setting up an LLC is a negative? It's definitely not a negative and I have LLCs for many of my investments. I'm not falling all over myself to congratulate him for this move, either. I would imagine it would be like Step (3) found on a google search of "How do I get started flipping houses?".

(08-28-2020 10:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 10:00 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:32 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:05 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Sure. I'm sure a disabled person might interpret his act in a much different manner than someone who is not disabled.


I'm not speaking for you. I posted the article (the author is speaking) and referenced disabled people from whom I have heard similar sentiments.

I am not trying to diminish him. I'm trying to understand what qualifications he has to serve as a Congressman in light of the massive outcry from the right about AOC's background.

Well, he does not live in a dream world. So there is one clear advantage over AOC.

You chose to speak for handicapped people. I qualify.

If I was in his district, I probably would vote for him, because of the personal qualities I see in those 4 minutes. I presume you would just look at his resume. Or his party.

I explained how a real estate investment firm could show no income. Did you read it? Does it change your attiitude toward him one whit? Is that still a part of your position that he is unqualified/ What if next year he makes a sale of a property he has held since August 2019 for a six figure profit? Is he still as unqualified as AOC?

I have, and have had, investment property that generates little current income. Heck, I am sitting on some as we type. I don't need a 26 acre front yard. It is investment property, and I hope it insulates me from the Democratic War on Capital. A lot of it is road frontage, and will be prime commercial property someday. But for now, I have zero income from it. I understand from experience. But it is a simple concept, even a college dropout could understand it. If they wanted to.

Take out the innuendo about the LLC, and all you have is the dropping out of college. Hardly the first person to drop out and become prominent or a success. let's write his obit when he is 70, not 25.

To be plain about it, my objection to AOC is her stupid and illogical stance on issues, codified in the GND, not her resume. I didn't even know she had tended bar.

One of my (eventual) branch managers came to me from a donut shop.

Did they come to you from the donut shop asking to be CEO? That's my point here.
I don't have a problem with dropping out of college. Lots of smart, wildly succesful people do.

so, this young man has asked to be made president?

Lets make this simple. What has he proposed that you vigorously oppose, like I oppose the GND?

I was equating a donut shop employee asking to be CEO of your business to this young man asking to be a Congressman.

I don't oppose anything that I heard from him in those 4 minutes. It was mostly generalizations/platitudes. Nothing to hang my hat on. What do you like about him - that he says that you should stand for the National Anthem (like literally every other GOP candidate?).

I don't see 1 of 435 as being the CEO. I think this is a very flawed analogy.

Certainly, I like the national anthem thing, as it mirrors my own thoughts on the matter.

Sounds like yet another case of Democrats not welcoming diversity, if it means the diverse person is not a Democrat.

It sounds like you are on board with disrespecting the country through disrespecting its emblems. I am not. Pretty simple, eh? The protests about this being an oppressive country and about "police brutality" fit the 1950's much more than today. I was here then, so i can compare somewhat.

Other than the speech and the info you brought forward, I know very little about him. He makes a good impression - but so does AOC until she talks about her goals for the country.

(08-28-2020 10:14 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 10:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 10:00 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:32 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Well, he does not live in a dream world. So there is one clear advantage over AOC.

You chose to speak for handicapped people. I qualify.

If I was in his district, I probably would vote for him, because of the personal qualities I see in those 4 minutes. I presume you would just look at his resume. Or his party.

I explained how a real estate investment firm could show no income. Did you read it? Does it change your attiitude toward him one whit? Is that still a part of your position that he is unqualified/ What if next year he makes a sale of a property he has held since August 2019 for a six figure profit? Is he still as unqualified as AOC?

I have, and have had, investment property that generates little current income. Heck, I am sitting on some as we type. I don't need a 26 acre front yard. It is investment property, and I hope it insulates me from the Democratic War on Capital. A lot of it is road frontage, and will be prime commercial property someday. But for now, I have zero income from it. I understand from experience. But it is a simple concept, even a college dropout could understand it. If they wanted to.

Take out the innuendo about the LLC, and all you have is the dropping out of college. Hardly the first person to drop out and become prominent or a success. let's write his obit when he is 70, not 25.

To be plain about it, my objection to AOC is her stupid and illogical stance on issues, codified in the GND, not her resume. I didn't even know she had tended bar.

One of my (eventual) branch managers came to me from a donut shop.

Did they come to you from the donut shop asking to be CEO? That's my point here.
I don't have a problem with dropping out of college. Lots of smart, wildly succesful people do.

so, this young man has asked to be made president?

Lets make this simple. What has he proposed that you vigorously oppose, like I oppose the GND?

I was equating a donut shop employee asking to be CEO of your business to this young man asking to be a Congressman.

I don't oppose anything that I heard from him in those 4 minutes. It was mostly generalizations/platitudes. Nothing to hang my hat on. What do you like about him - that he says that you should stand for the National Anthem (like literally every other GOP candidate?).

I don't see 1 of 435 as being the CEO. I think this is a very flawed analogy.

I can't believe you are fighting this analogy so hard. It's pretty simple... the donut shop employee coming to your office for a job interview and asking you to skip all of the lower rungs on the ladder and to just install him/her in a job for which he/she is not qualified (CEO)... that is akin to what this young man is doing IMO. That is, unless there is background on him that I am missing.

Quote:Certainly, I like the national anthem thing, as it mirrors my own thoughts on the matter.

Sounds like yet another case of Democrats not welcoming diversity, if it means the diverse person is not a Democrat.

Huh?

Quote:It sounds like you are on board with disrespecting the country through disrespecting its emblems. I am not. Pretty simple, eh? The protests about this being an oppressive country and about "police brutality" fit the 1950's much more than today. I was here then, so i can compare somewhat.

Correct... I definitely don't consider the peaceful protest of kneeling during the national anthem to be "disrespecting the country" as you put it.

Quote:Other than the speech and the info you brought forward, I know very little about him. He makes a good impression - but so does AOC until she talks about her goals for the country.

Agree he makes a good impression. So do many people applying for jobs as a TV weatherman. I don't know what qualifies him to serve as a US congressman.