I don’t think ND saved the ACC season but it was the ACC that saved ND season. I think the ACC would play even if the some of the schools didn’t play. Especially when there are a lot of overlap with SEC schools.

(08-26-2020 04:34 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 04:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 04:16 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 12:29 PM)usffan Wrote:  At this point, it seems clear to me that the SEC is absolutely the alpha dog, and any thoughts that the ACC might be the conference on the weakest footing just went out the window. I seriously doubt any ACC school would move to the B1G, and I have to figure Maryland is doing some navel gazing at the moment...

USFFan

Yep

Budget fix was the reason given to join the Big 10

Hard to fix the budget going a year without TV money

Yes, and IIRC, this cancellation comes just as Rutgers, Maryland and UNL have finished their long purgatories of collecting fractional B1G money and were just about to start collecting the full fat $55m checks to make up for those probationary years.

Funny thing is that MD did not fix their problems:

https://dbknews.com/2018/07/07/maryland-...donations/

Maryland's administration betrayed their school and lied and misled the ACC. It's a shame a lot have to suffer for the sins of a few.

(08-27-2020 06:34 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 12:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  GO IRISH !!! But yes, the ACC siding with the SEC and B12 does have a "Ruth Bader Ginsburg sides with the conservatives" on a split supreme court decision feel to it. We didn't see it coming.

Some of us did...

(05-14-2020 08:13 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I would expect all SEC and ACC schools to play this fall while The PAC and Big Ten sit this season out. All based on political leanings. The Big 12 is tougher to read. JMHO

https://csnbbs.com/thread-899459-post-16...id16819252

(08-26-2020 04:34 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 04:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 04:16 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 12:29 PM)usffan Wrote:  At this point, it seems clear to me that the SEC is absolutely the alpha dog, and any thoughts that the ACC might be the conference on the weakest footing just went out the window. I seriously doubt any ACC school would move to the B1G, and I have to figure Maryland is doing some navel gazing at the moment...

USFFan

Yep

Budget fix was the reason given to join the Big 10

Hard to fix the budget going a year without TV money

Yes, and IIRC, this cancellation comes just as Rutgers, Maryland and UNL have finished their long purgatories of collecting fractional B1G money and were just about to start collecting the full fat $55m checks to make up for those probationary years.

Funny thing is that MD did not fix their problems:

https://dbknews.com/2018/07/07/maryland-...donations/

Maryland is clearly making more than it would in the ACC, and by a large margin.

But their fundamental problem is a penchant for overspending despite a lukewarm fan and donor base. Maryland fans are rabid about only two things - men's hoops and lacrosse. Lacrosse of course is no-revenue, and hoops is small potatoes compared to football.

And that won't improve because Maryland's natural rivals, save for Penn State, are in the ACC not B1G. On the other hand, the ACC does not offer the same money, and even though Maryland was an ACC founder, the power nexus in the ACC is in North Carolina, and Maryland chafed at getting (from their POV) screwed by them. A lot of ill-will was built up over the years among Maryland fans about that.

It's really kind of a no-win situation, like Nebraska, Maryland is stuck in a conference it really doesn't care much about for the sake of money, which it absolutely does need.

(08-27-2020 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 04:34 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 04:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 04:16 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 12:29 PM)usffan Wrote:  At this point, it seems clear to me that the SEC is absolutely the alpha dog, and any thoughts that the ACC might be the conference on the weakest footing just went out the window. I seriously doubt any ACC school would move to the B1G, and I have to figure Maryland is doing some navel gazing at the moment...

USFFan

Yep

Budget fix was the reason given to join the Big 10

Hard to fix the budget going a year without TV money

Yes, and IIRC, this cancellation comes just as Rutgers, Maryland and UNL have finished their long purgatories of collecting fractional B1G money and were just about to start collecting the full fat $55m checks to make up for those probationary years.

Funny thing is that MD did not fix their problems:

https://dbknews.com/2018/07/07/maryland-...donations/

Maryland is clearly making more than it would in the ACC, and by a large margin.

But their fundamental problem is a penchant for overspending despite a lukewarm fan and donor base. Maryland fans are rabid about only two things - men's hoops and lacrosse. Lacrosse of course is no-revenue, and hoops is small potatoes compared to football.

And that won't improve because Maryland's natural rivals, save for Penn State, are in the ACC not B1G. On the other hand, the ACC does not offer the same money, and even though Maryland was an ACC founder, the power nexus in the ACC is in North Carolina, and Maryland chafed at getting (from their POV) screwed by them. A lot of ill-will was built up over the years among Maryland fans about that.

It's really kind of a no-win situation, like Nebraska, Maryland is stuck in a conference it really doesn't care much about for the sake of money, which it absolutely does need.

Quo, making more money does not mean **** if your expenses rise more than your income. MD continues to heavily subsidize their programs, not as much as Rutgers or UConn, but pushing 18%.

(08-27-2020 09:20 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 04:34 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 04:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 04:16 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Yep

Budget fix was the reason given to join the Big 10

Hard to fix the budget going a year without TV money

Yes, and IIRC, this cancellation comes just as Rutgers, Maryland and UNL have finished their long purgatories of collecting fractional B1G money and were just about to start collecting the full fat $55m checks to make up for those probationary years.

Funny thing is that MD did not fix their problems:

https://dbknews.com/2018/07/07/maryland-...donations/

Maryland is clearly making more than it would in the ACC, and by a large margin.

But their fundamental problem is a penchant for overspending despite a lukewarm fan and donor base. Maryland fans are rabid about only two things - men's hoops and lacrosse. Lacrosse of course is no-revenue, and hoops is small potatoes compared to football.

And that won't improve because Maryland's natural rivals, save for Penn State, are in the ACC not B1G. On the other hand, the ACC does not offer the same money, and even though Maryland was an ACC founder, the power nexus in the ACC is in North Carolina, and Maryland chafed at getting (from their POV) screwed by them. A lot of ill-will was built up over the years among Maryland fans about that.

It's really kind of a no-win situation, like Nebraska, Maryland is stuck in a conference it really doesn't care much about for the sake of money, which it absolutely does need.

Quo, making more money does not mean **** if your expenses rise more than your income. MD continues to heavily subsidize their programs, not as much as Rutgers or UConn, but pushing 18%.

No question. E.g., I was watching a show about athletes in debt after retirement. One ex-NFL player, name I forget, who played recently and did thus make serious money during his career, told the interviewer that he was still making $60,000 *a month* after retiring. So the interviewer asked how on earth was he in financial trouble? The player responded with "well, I'm spending $90,000 a month".

The U. of Maryland is part of the DMV, the richest area of the country thanks to tax dollars. It is a spend, spend, spend culture up there and Maryland is part and parcel. That's their mindset. That's why they still sock their students with $12m in subsidies despite making a B1G check! Crazy.

Point is, though, they'd be in even greater trouble if making ACC money.

(08-27-2020 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Maryland is clearly making more than it would in the ACC, and by a large margin.

But their fundamental problem is a penchant for overspending despite a lukewarm fan and donor base. Maryland fans are rabid about only two things - men's hoops and lacrosse. Lacrosse of course is no-revenue, and hoops is small potatoes compared to football.

And that won't improve because Maryland's natural rivals, save for Penn State, are in the ACC not B1G. On the other hand, the ACC does not offer the same money, and even though Maryland was an ACC founder, the power nexus in the ACC is in North Carolina, and Maryland chafed at getting (from their POV) screwed by them. A lot of ill-will was built up over the years among Maryland fans about that.

It's really kind of a no-win situation, like Nebraska, Maryland is stuck in a conference it really doesn't care much about for the sake of money, which it absolutely does need.

I think the final straw was switching out their permanent partner in basketball from Duke to Pitt when Pitt and Cuse joined the league. Maryland fans really liked their home games with Duke and UNC.

(08-27-2020 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 04:34 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 04:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 04:16 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 12:29 PM)usffan Wrote:  At this point, it seems clear to me that the SEC is absolutely the alpha dog, and any thoughts that the ACC might be the conference on the weakest footing just went out the window. I seriously doubt any ACC school would move to the B1G, and I have to figure Maryland is doing some navel gazing at the moment...

USFFan

Yep

Budget fix was the reason given to join the Big 10

Hard to fix the budget going a year without TV money

Yes, and IIRC, this cancellation comes just as Rutgers, Maryland and UNL have finished their long purgatories of collecting fractional B1G money and were just about to start collecting the full fat $55m checks to make up for those probationary years.

Funny thing is that MD did not fix their problems:

https://dbknews.com/2018/07/07/maryland-...donations/

Maryland is clearly making more than it would in the ACC, and by a large margin.

But their fundamental problem is a penchant for overspending despite a lukewarm fan and donor base. Maryland fans are rabid about only two things - men's hoops and lacrosse. Lacrosse of course is no-revenue, and hoops is small potatoes compared to football.

And that won't improve because Maryland's natural rivals, save for Penn State, are in the ACC not B1G. On the other hand, the ACC does not offer the same money, and even though Maryland was an ACC founder, the power nexus in the ACC is in North Carolina, and Maryland chafed at getting (from their POV) screwed by them. A lot of ill-will was built up over the years among Maryland fans about that.

It's really kind of a no-win situation, like Nebraska, Maryland is stuck in a conference it really doesn't care much about for the sake of money, which it absolutely does need.

Ironically the ACC was spearheaded at it's founding by Maryland and South Carolina. Maryland wielded tremendous power in the ACC until Commissioner Bob James death in 1987. James was a football, basketball and track star at Maryland.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/s...50f876c2d/

(08-27-2020 09:42 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Maryland is clearly making more than it would in the ACC, and by a large margin.

But their fundamental problem is a penchant for overspending despite a lukewarm fan and donor base. Maryland fans are rabid about only two things - men's hoops and lacrosse. Lacrosse of course is no-revenue, and hoops is small potatoes compared to football.

And that won't improve because Maryland's natural rivals, save for Penn State, are in the ACC not B1G. On the other hand, the ACC does not offer the same money, and even though Maryland was an ACC founder, the power nexus in the ACC is in North Carolina, and Maryland chafed at getting (from their POV) screwed by them. A lot of ill-will was built up over the years among Maryland fans about that.

It's really kind of a no-win situation, like Nebraska, Maryland is stuck in a conference it really doesn't care much about for the sake of money, which it absolutely does need.

I think the final straw was switching out their permanent partner in basketball from Duke to Pitt when Pitt and Cuse joined the league. Maryland fans really liked their home games with Duke and UNC.

MD's complaints:

ACC Tourney in NC too much
ACC officiating for the benefit of Duke and UNC
VT treated as prodigal son returning
Prospect of being in a northern division
NC State hiring Debbie Yow
Carolina getting away with cheating despite it being known
Duke being able to hide any academic problem
Did not want to add FSU for football reasons

MD's reality:

Taken over by Big 10 slobber crew at President and System Level
Really pissed they were not able to blame their problems on DY
In athletic disarray since Len Biases death
Extreme undergraduate demographic change
Extreme competition with new professional franchises in Baltimore and DC
Pissed at UNC and Duke since the early 1970's
Lost too many graduate programs to Baltimore in 1970
Booster organization that redirected funds to non-athletic projects

(08-27-2020 10:10 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 09:42 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Maryland is clearly making more than it would in the ACC, and by a large margin.

But their fundamental problem is a penchant for overspending despite a lukewarm fan and donor base. Maryland fans are rabid about only two things - men's hoops and lacrosse. Lacrosse of course is no-revenue, and hoops is small potatoes compared to football.

And that won't improve because Maryland's natural rivals, save for Penn State, are in the ACC not B1G. On the other hand, the ACC does not offer the same money, and even though Maryland was an ACC founder, the power nexus in the ACC is in North Carolina, and Maryland chafed at getting (from their POV) screwed by them. A lot of ill-will was built up over the years among Maryland fans about that.

It's really kind of a no-win situation, like Nebraska, Maryland is stuck in a conference it really doesn't care much about for the sake of money, which it absolutely does need.

I think the final straw was switching out their permanent partner in basketball from Duke to Pitt when Pitt and Cuse joined the league. Maryland fans really liked their home games with Duke and UNC.

MD's complaints:

ACC Tourney in NC too much
ACC officiating for the benefit of Duke and UNC
VT treated as prodigal son returning
Prospect of being in a northern division
NC State hiring Debbie Yow
Carolina getting away with cheating despite it being known
Duke being able to hide any academic problem
Did not want to add FSU for football reasons

That was a big one. Despite Maryland being arguably the second-most successful football program in the original core ACC, Maryland realized adding FSU would mark a fundamental change in the nature of the conference. They never really reconciled with that.