(08-24-2020 04:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Another case of criminal elements deciding to take advantage of a police shooting in the name of BLM. This is now the standard MO for any incident that ends up with a black person dying at the hands of the police. They have no inclination to wait until an investigation is done.

I hate to see anyone pumped full of bullets by the police unless they are actively harming someone and give them no choice...but..Id bet my next paycheck there is much more to this story. Unlike the thugs that took to the streets and destroyed the livelyhoods of dozens of business owners..Ill wait and see the evidence that led the officers to kill this guy.

What is BLM going to say if there was a firearm in the vehicle?

That is was planted by the police.

(08-24-2020 04:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 03:52 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Some cops can be so stupid. They are the type that never learn past indiscretions by other departments. They KNOW that the nation right now is walking on egg shells with all the rioting and what happens? This happens. What did they expect was going to happen from their actions.

Like we say in EP, "bola de pendejos". Bunch of idiots. Or as Siri likes to define it, "a stupid or contempible person".

Since the other moron is too gutless to answer and you are following his lead I'll ask the same of you:

The reports I've seen state they had already physically fought him and unsuccessfully deployed a taser on the suspect. I guess in your expert opinion they should have simply allowed him to get in the vehicle and either retrieved a weapon or turned the vehicle into a weapon, putting the officers and bystanders safety at risk.

You're right, I should wait for the investigation into the affair. As much as I abhor the way Oblunder operated it seems I did an Oblunder. Mea culpa, I'll wait.

A well known former LEO who runs a Youtube channel and Facebook page discussing law enforcement matters, Mike the Cop, states that the deceased, Jacob Blake, was reportedly waving a knife around and told officers he had a gun in the car and was going to retrieve it.

https://www.facebook.com/realmikethecop/


Kinda changes things, don't you think?


Also, let's save the Hollywood "only cowards shoot people in the back" BS. If you are looking to harm me I'm going to do whatever it takes to stop it....shoot you in the back, kick you in the nuts, throw sand in your eyes....whatever. The only rule of survival is do whatever it takes to survive.

(08-24-2020 05:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  A well known former LEO who runs a Youtube channel and Facebook page discussing law enforcement matters, Mike the Cop, states that the deceased, Jacob Blake, was reportedly waving a knife around and told officers he had a gun in the car and was going to retrieve it.

https://www.facebook.com/realmikethecop/


Kinda changes things, don't you think?


Also, let's save the Hollywood "only cowards shoot people in the back" BS. If you are looking to harm me I'm going to do whatever it takes to stop it....shoot you in the back, kick you in the nuts, throw sand in your eyes....whatever. The only rule of survival is do whatever it takes to survive.

When did he die? Also, pretty sure the cop shot him when he reached for the gun. The cop was looking in the car and was pullung him by his shirt.

(08-24-2020 05:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  A well known former LEO who runs a Youtube channel and Facebook page discussing law enforcement matters, Mike the Cop, states that the deceased, Jacob Blake, was reportedly waving a knife around and told officers he had a gun in the car and was going to retrieve it.

https://www.facebook.com/realmikethecop/


Kinda changes things, don't you think?


Also, let's save the Hollywood "only cowards shoot people in the back" BS. If you are looking to harm me I'm going to do whatever it takes to stop it....shoot you in the back, kick you in the nuts, throw sand in your eyes....whatever. The only rule of survival is do whatever it takes to survive.

Don't remember if it was you, but a while back someone posted a training video from the 80s or 90s of a cop who got killed by being too patient.

(08-24-2020 05:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  A well known former LEO who runs a Youtube channel and Facebook page discussing law enforcement matters, Mike the Cop, states that the deceased, Jacob Blake, was reportedly waving a knife around and told officers he had a gun in the car and was going to retrieve it.

https://www.facebook.com/realmikethecop/


Kinda changes things, don't you think?


Also, let's save the Hollywood "only cowards shoot people in the back" BS. If you are looking to harm me I'm going to do whatever it takes to stop it....shoot you in the back, kick you in the nuts, throw sand in your eyes....whatever. The only rule of survival is do whatever it takes to survive.

This one definitely seemed like a situation where a rush to judgment needed to be avoided. The video shows the man ignoring orders and going to get something out of his car. That something could have very well been a weapon. I have a hard time believing the officer wanted to shoot the man especially with everything in society as it is now

(08-24-2020 05:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  A well known former LEO who runs a Youtube channel and Facebook page discussing law enforcement matters, Mike the Cop, states that the deceased, Jacob Blake, was reportedly waving a knife around and told officers he had a gun in the car and was going to retrieve it.

https://www.facebook.com/realmikethecop/


Kinda changes things, don't you think?


Also, let's save the Hollywood "only cowards shoot people in the back" BS. If you are looking to harm me I'm going to do whatever it takes to stop it....shoot you in the back, kick you in the nuts, throw sand in your eyes....whatever. The only rule of survival is do whatever it takes to survive.

He’s getting better, upgraded to stable condition.

I'd bet that an investigation will show there was a weapon in the car and dude is just another Darwin award winner. Comply and have your day in court without bullet holes in you.

CNN has their best investigative minds on this one, from their site:

Wisconsin Attorney General Josh Kaul said in a news conference Monday that the state's Department of Justice will not "make the prosecution decision" in the Kenosha shooting case.

"We don't make the prosecution decision in this case. That's a decision that will be made ultimately by District Attorney [Michael] Graveley," Kaul said. "But we will be working closely with his office as additional facts and evidence are uncovered."

The two sentences above follow each other in this statement from CNN. Of course we are not supposed to notice the difference between "will not" - directly implying they don't intend to prosecute, which is not a quote from the AG and "We don't" i.e. we are not the ones to make the decision, which is his quote. The difference in context is quite substantial.

I don't understand why the citizens don't start blowing these clowns away. Yankees.

(08-25-2020 11:53 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  I don't understand why the citizens don't start blowing these clowns away. Yankees.

If they bring that stuff down here they need to keep in mind most of us don't own any rubber bullets.

Quote:A small militia of heavily armed civilians protected a gas station from being torched in Kenosha, Wisconsin, following the police shooting of Jacob Blake — imploring rioters not to “f–k up” their own neighborhood.

“I’m on your side!” shouted one of three men carrying high-powered rifles and wearing helmets and protective clothing, with one in full military camouflage, according to video shot by Daily Caller reporter Shelby Talcott.

“But you can’t burn down your local businesses,” he shouted as they were heckled by a group of at least a dozen people outside.

The men — who insisted they were not affiliated with a militia organization — said they were not connected to the gas station but feared a “really bad” outcome if it was targeted by arsonists running rampant in the city.

“They’re destroying their own neighborhood,” one of the men said of the two nights of riots after the police shooting of Blake, 29, who is black.

“It’s the government that f—ed with you guys. It’s not the civilians,” he said of local businesses in the mostly black neighborhood that they wanted to protect.

“Go f–k up the government that just killed your man. Don’t f–k up your neighbors,” he said.

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(08-25-2020 11:45 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Imagine that.....

(08-25-2020 11:53 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  I don't understand why the citizens don't start blowing these clowns away. Yankees.

Let me explain why.

If the people who own the shops opened fire upon the rioters, arsonists, and looters, they would be arrested and tried to determine if they committed a crime by using force to defend their property. Depending upon the country that case could be 3 years from being tried and they would have to post bond, and hire attorneys. Attorney's fees could easily be between 5,000 to 10,000 a month and payable until the court decision was rendered.

In the meantime all of their weapons would be confiscated and their homes would be searched. They would be identified by the press and they would be subject to further attacks by the organized gang of criminals that looted and burned the stores.

Meanwhile the thugs doing the looting and burning will likely not be identified by the press, will likely not have to post bond, and will only suffer the mark of an arrest on their record. Any attorney fees they may accrue will be paid by their corporate backers through their organizations set up in the name of BLM or ANTIFA.

So in short those being burned out and looted either suffer that total loss, or they put their homes and private savings at forfeiture to a corrupt legal system that exploits them while those with nothing to lose, many with jail time already, are supported by the damned State through free legal representation or 3 hots and cat back in jail, and that's if the corporations paying them through the organization responsible doesn't cover all of that expense and bail them out, if they are even placed in jail.

So to be short and sweet about it the storeowners are either going to be screwed out of their livelihood because insurance doesn't pay for acts of riot, or they could be arrested, imprisoned, and their entire estates made forfeit to court and legal fees.

This is why most Americans aren't standing up to the thugs. The legal system is already working against us, not the damned corporately paid criminals.

(08-25-2020 12:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 11:53 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  I don't understand why the citizens don't start blowing these clowns away. Yankees.

Let me explain why.

If the people who own the shops opened fire upon the rioters, arsonists, and looters, they would be arrested and tried to determine if they committed a crime by using force to defend their property. Depending upon the country that case could be 3 years from being tried and they would have to post bond, and hire attorneys. Attorney's fees could easily be between 5,000 to 10,000 a month and payable until the court decision was rendered.

In the meantime all of their weapons would be confiscated and their homes would be searched. They would be identified by the press and they would be subject to further attacks by the organized gang of criminals that looted and burned the stores.

Meanwhile the thugs doing the looting and burning will likely not be identified by the press, will likely not have to post bond, and will only suffer the mark of an arrest on their record. Any attorney fees they may accrue will be paid by their corporate backers through their organizations set up in the name of BLM or ANTIFA.

So in short those being burned out and looted either suffer that total loss, or they put their homes and private savings at forfeiture to a corrupt legal system that exploits them while those with nothing to lose, many with jail time already, are supported by the damned State through free legal representation or 3 hots and cat back in jail, and that's if the corporations paying them through the organization responsible doesn't cover all of that expense and bail them out, if they are even placed in jail.

So to be short and sweet about it the storeowners are either going to be screwed out of their livelihood because insurance doesn't pay for acts of riot, or they could be arrested, imprisoned, and their entire estates made forfeit to court and legal fees.

This is why most Americans aren't standing up to the thugs. The legal system is already working against us, not the damned corporately paid criminals.

Who is going to arrest them? There is no police present. Once they come in the building, they are open game.

(08-25-2020 12:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 12:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 11:53 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  I don't understand why the citizens don't start blowing these clowns away. Yankees.

Let me explain why.

If the people who own the shops opened fire upon the rioters, arsonists, and looters, they would be arrested and tried to determine if they committed a crime by using force to defend their property. Depending upon the country that case could be 3 years from being tried and they would have to post bond, and hire attorneys. Attorney's fees could easily be between 5,000 to 10,000 a month and payable until the court decision was rendered.

In the meantime all of their weapons would be confiscated and their homes would be searched. They would be identified by the press and they would be subject to further attacks by the organized gang of criminals that looted and burned the stores.

Meanwhile the thugs doing the looting and burning will likely not be identified by the press, will likely not have to post bond, and will only suffer the mark of an arrest on their record. Any attorney fees they may accrue will be paid by their corporate backers through their organizations set up in the name of BLM or ANTIFA.

So in short those being burned out and looted either suffer that total loss, or they put their homes and private savings at forfeiture to a corrupt legal system that exploits them while those with nothing to lose, many with jail time already, are supported by the damned State through free legal representation or 3 hots and cat back in jail, and that's if the corporations paying them through the organization responsible doesn't cover all of that expense and bail them out, if they are even placed in jail.

So to be short and sweet about it the storeowners are either going to be screwed out of their livelihood because insurance doesn't pay for acts of riot, or they could be arrested, imprisoned, and their entire estates made forfeit to court and legal fees.

This is why most Americans aren't standing up to the thugs. The legal system is already working against us, not the damned corporately paid criminals.

Who is going to arrest them? There is no police present. Once they come in the building, they are open game.

Almost everything is on camera. The problem is if the police can't, or worse, are told not to respond or to respond in a restrained limit the damage matter, anyone defending their stores would be seen, and given the political bent of the mayor, could easily be arrested after the fact for inflicting any bodily damage on a looter.

You don't have to be guilty to go broke. You just have to be tried. People know this and whether they respond or not is a measured and weighed process of costs. This is why the crooks have the advantage in the system as it now stands.

In the old days the Police Chief would show up, take a cursory look around, give you your weapon back and call it justified. In today's world the police chief can be fired, or sued for doing that. Everything is now designed to allow lawyers to profit immeasurably by the situation. This is why justice fails all too often!

(08-25-2020 12:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 12:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 12:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 11:53 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  I don't understand why the citizens don't start blowing these clowns away. Yankees.

Let me explain why.

If the people who own the shops opened fire upon the rioters, arsonists, and looters, they would be arrested and tried to determine if they committed a crime by using force to defend their property. Depending upon the country that case could be 3 years from being tried and they would have to post bond, and hire attorneys. Attorney's fees could easily be between 5,000 to 10,000 a month and payable until the court decision was rendered.

In the meantime all of their weapons would be confiscated and their homes would be searched. They would be identified by the press and they would be subject to further attacks by the organized gang of criminals that looted and burned the stores.

Meanwhile the thugs doing the looting and burning will likely not be identified by the press, will likely not have to post bond, and will only suffer the mark of an arrest on their record. Any attorney fees they may accrue will be paid by their corporate backers through their organizations set up in the name of BLM or ANTIFA.

So in short those being burned out and looted either suffer that total loss, or they put their homes and private savings at forfeiture to a corrupt legal system that exploits them while those with nothing to lose, many with jail time already, are supported by the damned State through free legal representation or 3 hots and cat back in jail, and that's if the corporations paying them through the organization responsible doesn't cover all of that expense and bail them out, if they are even placed in jail.

So to be short and sweet about it the storeowners are either going to be screwed out of their livelihood because insurance doesn't pay for acts of riot, or they could be arrested, imprisoned, and their entire estates made forfeit to court and legal fees.

This is why most Americans aren't standing up to the thugs. The legal system is already working against us, not the damned corporately paid criminals.

Who is going to arrest them? There is no police present. Once they come in the building, they are open game.

Almost everything is on camera. The problem is if the police can't, or worse, are told not to respond or to respond in a restrained limit the damage matter, anyone defending their stores would be seen, and given the political bent of the mayor, could easily be arrested after the fact for inflicting any bodily damage on a looter.

You don't have to be guilty to go broke. You just have to be tried.

The Democrats use this as a political weapon. It's been obvious for some time.

(08-25-2020 12:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 12:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 12:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 12:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 11:53 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  I don't understand why the citizens don't start blowing these clowns away. Yankees.

Let me explain why.

If the people who own the shops opened fire upon the rioters, arsonists, and looters, they would be arrested and tried to determine if they committed a crime by using force to defend their property. Depending upon the country that case could be 3 years from being tried and they would have to post bond, and hire attorneys. Attorney's fees could easily be between 5,000 to 10,000 a month and payable until the court decision was rendered.

In the meantime all of their weapons would be confiscated and their homes would be searched. They would be identified by the press and they would be subject to further attacks by the organized gang of criminals that looted and burned the stores.

Meanwhile the thugs doing the looting and burning will likely not be identified by the press, will likely not have to post bond, and will only suffer the mark of an arrest on their record. Any attorney fees they may accrue will be paid by their corporate backers through their organizations set up in the name of BLM or ANTIFA.

So in short those being burned out and looted either suffer that total loss, or they put their homes and private savings at forfeiture to a corrupt legal system that exploits them while those with nothing to lose, many with jail time already, are supported by the damned State through free legal representation or 3 hots and cat back in jail, and that's if the corporations paying them through the organization responsible doesn't cover all of that expense and bail them out, if they are even placed in jail.

So to be short and sweet about it the storeowners are either going to be screwed out of their livelihood because insurance doesn't pay for acts of riot, or they could be arrested, imprisoned, and their entire estates made forfeit to court and legal fees.

This is why most Americans aren't standing up to the thugs. The legal system is already working against us, not the damned corporately paid criminals.

Who is going to arrest them? There is no police present. Once they come in the building, they are open game.

Almost everything is on camera. The problem is if the police can't, or worse, are told not to respond or to respond in a restrained limit the damage matter, anyone defending their stores would be seen, and given the political bent of the mayor, could easily be arrested after the fact for inflicting any bodily damage on a looter.

You don't have to be guilty to go broke. You just have to be tried.

The Democrats use this as a political weapon. It's been obvious for some time.

Of course it has. So obvious that it hasn't been lost on the public. What they need to do in Wisconsin and Minnesota and Oregon, is to call upon the Governor to suspend the mayors authority and send in the National Guard, but oh wait, the Governors are in on this too! And therein lies the dilemma. If Trump pushes in to save them it is Federal abuse. So these businessmen and women are being royally screwed by the people they helped to elect.

Meanwhile in California you have a Governor that is ignoring the lawfully solicited and legally binding recall petition that has the requisite signatures for a vote to remove him.

What the fundamental issue is here, is when does a criminal government exceed its authority to the an extent that Federal intervention is mandated. If not for the pro Marxist bastards that have infiltrated the system our government and constitution would never have come to this point. The fact that it has should be evidence enough to justify intervention. And if not for the fear of a backlash in an election year it probably already would have been dealt with.

Sanctuary cities were enough reason to have settled this matter already.

(08-25-2020 12:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 12:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 12:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 11:53 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  I don't understand why the citizens don't start blowing these clowns away. Yankees.

Let me explain why.

If the people who own the shops opened fire upon the rioters, arsonists, and looters, they would be arrested and tried to determine if they committed a crime by using force to defend their property. Depending upon the country that case could be 3 years from being tried and they would have to post bond, and hire attorneys. Attorney's fees could easily be between 5,000 to 10,000 a month and payable until the court decision was rendered.

In the meantime all of their weapons would be confiscated and their homes would be searched. They would be identified by the press and they would be subject to further attacks by the organized gang of criminals that looted and burned the stores.

Meanwhile the thugs doing the looting and burning will likely not be identified by the press, will likely not have to post bond, and will only suffer the mark of an arrest on their record. Any attorney fees they may accrue will be paid by their corporate backers through their organizations set up in the name of BLM or ANTIFA.

So in short those being burned out and looted either suffer that total loss, or they put their homes and private savings at forfeiture to a corrupt legal system that exploits them while those with nothing to lose, many with jail time already, are supported by the damned State through free legal representation or 3 hots and cat back in jail, and that's if the corporations paying them through the organization responsible doesn't cover all of that expense and bail them out, if they are even placed in jail.

So to be short and sweet about it the storeowners are either going to be screwed out of their livelihood because insurance doesn't pay for acts of riot, or they could be arrested, imprisoned, and their entire estates made forfeit to court and legal fees.

This is why most Americans aren't standing up to the thugs. The legal system is already working against us, not the damned corporately paid criminals.

Who is going to arrest them? There is no police present. Once they come in the building, they are open game.

Almost everything is on camera. The problem is if the police can't, or worse, are told not to respond or to respond in a restrained limit the damage matter, anyone defending their stores would be seen, and given the political bent of the mayor, could easily be arrested after the fact for inflicting any bodily damage on a looter.

You don't have to be guilty to go broke. You just have to be tried. People know this and whether they respond or not is a measured and weighed process of costs. This is why the crooks have the advantage in the system as it now stands.

In the old days the Police Chief would show up, take a cursory look around, give you your weapon back and call it justified. In today's world the police chief can be fired, or sued for doing that. Everything is now designed to allow lawyers to profit immeasurably by the situation. This is why justice fails all too often!

As a law and order conservative, these last few years have definitely opened my eyes to the abuses a strong government can commit. It can be used against ordinary citizens, not just career criminals.