1. Clemson
2. Ohio St
3. Alabama
4. Georgia
5. Oklahoma
6. LSU
7. Penn St
8. Florida
9. Oregon
10. Notre Dame
11. Auburn
12. Wisconsin
13. Texas A&M
14. Texas
15. Oklahoma St
16. Michigan
17. USC
18. North Carolina
19. Minnesota
20. Cincinnati
21. Central Florida
22. Utah
23. Iowa St
24. Iowa
25. Tennessee
RV: Memphis, Virginia Tech, Boise St, Arizona St, Miami (FL), Louisville, Appalachian St, Washington, Kentucky, Indiana, Baylor, California, TCU, Virginia, Navy, Florida St, SMU, Mississippi St, Air Force, Northwestern, UAB

What a joke! 9 of the Top 25 aren't even playing this fall. And 7 in the RV category too. This poll is irrelevant to the actual season.

What is the AP going to do, move 0-0 Ohio State up to #1 if Clemson loses a game?

Crazy to rank B1G and PAC teams.

Reading is a good thing. Voters were allowed to vote the teams not playing in the initial poll. They will not be included once the season starts.

Quote:

Ohio St about to experience the biggest fall in poll history. Not even Michigan dropped that much after Appalachian St.

(08-24-2020 06:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  What is the AP going to do, move 0-0 Ohio State up to #1 if Clemson loses a game?

Crazy to rank B1G and PAC teams.

This is not new. This has happened in the past when a team wins and another team during a bye week passes the team that won their game.

(08-24-2020 06:18 PM)Jared7 Wrote:  What a joke! 9 of the Top 25 aren't even playing this fall. And 7 in the RV category too. This poll is irrelevant to the actual season.

Revised Top 25 (removing those not playing):

1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. Georgia
4. Oklahoma
5. LSU
6. Florida
7. Notre Dame
8. Auburn
9. Texas A&M
10. Texas
11. Oklahoma St
12. North Carolina
13. Cincinnati
14. Central Florida
15. Iowa St
16. Tennessee
17. Memphis
18. Virginia Tech
19. Miami (FL)
20. Louisville
21. Appalachian St
22. Kentucky
23. Baylor
24. TCU
25. Virginia
RV: Navy, Florida St, SMU, Mississippi St, UAB

SEC - 8
ACC - 7
XII - 6
AAC - 3
SBC - 1

NY6 from these rankings:

CFP Sugar: #1 Clemson vs #4 Oklahoma
CFP Rose: #2 Alabama vs #3 Georgia
NY6 Orange: #5 LSU vs #7 Notre Dame
NY6 Fiesta: #8 Auburn vs #13 Cincinnati
NY6 Cotton: #9 Texas A&M vs #11 Oklahoma St
NY6 Peach: #6 Florida vs #10 Texas

I don’t think we’d get Aggies vs Longhorns because Texas wouldn’t agree. I also think A&M gets favored by the Cotton Bowl and the Cowboys make the better opponent for that particular bowl.

(08-24-2020 08:51 PM)otown Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 06:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  What is the AP going to do, move 0-0 Ohio State up to #1 if Clemson loses a game?

Crazy to rank B1G and PAC teams.

This is not new. This has happened in the past when a team wins and another team during a bye week passes the team that won their game.

https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/24/nc...kings-poll

Quote:When the season starts—if the season starts—the Buckeyes and 53 other Bowl Subdivision teams will no longer be eligible for inclusion in the Top 25 because they have postponed their seasons to the spring.

Its B.S. there are schools from the AAC in this poll

- This board, probably

(08-25-2020 07:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Its B.S. there are schools from the AAC in this poll

- This board, probably

Not this guy. Last season there were six G5 schools who finished in the AP Top 25. If anything, there are way too few G5 teams who start in the Top 25 considering who things finish.

(08-25-2020 07:48 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 07:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Its B.S. there are schools from the AAC in this poll

- This board, probably

Not this guy. Last season there were six G5 schools who finished in the AP Top 25. If anything, there are way too few G5 teams who start in the Top 25 considering who things finish.

Funny thing is, none of those G5 teams had *any* wins over P5 teams worth mentioning. IIRC, the best G5 win over a P5 team last year was over a P5 that had six losses.

And yet, as you say, six G5 were ranked in the final top 25. This IMO means the voters were willing to give G5 teams a lot of credit for beating lots of G5 teams. I'm not sure we've ever seen that before.

It's a change in attitude that might be important.

(08-25-2020 09:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 07:48 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 07:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Its B.S. there are schools from the AAC in this poll

- This board, probably

Not this guy. Last season there were six G5 schools who finished in the AP Top 25. If anything, there are way too few G5 teams who start in the Top 25 considering who things finish.

Funny thing is, none of those G5 teams had *any* wins over P5 teams worth mentioning. IIRC, the best G5 win over a P5 team last year was over a P5 that had six losses.

And yet, as you say, six G5 were ranked in the final top 25. This IMO means the voters were willing to give G5 teams a lot of credit for beating lots of G5 teams. I'm not sure we've ever seen that before.

It's a change in attitude that might be important.

How many opportunities did the better G5 teams have to play against top rated P5 teams? How many of those were at home? Scheduling imbalances shouldn't be overlooked.

(08-25-2020 09:35 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 07:48 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 07:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Its B.S. there are schools from the AAC in this poll

- This board, probably

Not this guy. Last season there were six G5 schools who finished in the AP Top 25. If anything, there are way too few G5 teams who start in the Top 25 considering who things finish.

Funny thing is, none of those G5 teams had *any* wins over P5 teams worth mentioning. IIRC, the best G5 win over a P5 team last year was over a P5 that had six losses.

And yet, as you say, six G5 were ranked in the final top 25. This IMO means the voters were willing to give G5 teams a lot of credit for beating lots of G5 teams. I'm not sure we've ever seen that before.

It's a change in attitude that might be important.

How many opportunities did the better G5 teams have to play against top rated P5 teams? How many of those were at home? Scheduling imbalances shouldn't be overlooked.

Probably none at home (so what?), but there were some games between some of the top G5 teams and very good P5.

The very good P5 clobbered them every time. But even that's beside the point, as nobody gets credit for games they didn't play. The fact is, several G5 were ranked in the final poll with resumes built entirely on beating other G5.

(08-25-2020 09:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:35 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 07:48 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 07:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Its B.S. there are schools from the AAC in this poll

- This board, probably

Not this guy. Last season there were six G5 schools who finished in the AP Top 25. If anything, there are way too few G5 teams who start in the Top 25 considering who things finish.

Funny thing is, none of those G5 teams had *any* wins over P5 teams worth mentioning. IIRC, the best G5 win over a P5 team last year was over a P5 that had six losses.

And yet, as you say, six G5 were ranked in the final top 25. This IMO means the voters were willing to give G5 teams a lot of credit for beating lots of G5 teams. I'm not sure we've ever seen that before.

It's a change in attitude that might be important.

How many opportunities did the better G5 teams have to play against top rated P5 teams? How many of those were at home? Scheduling imbalances shouldn't be overlooked.

Probably none at home (so what?), but there were some games between some of the top G5 teams and very good P5.

The very good P5 clobbered them every time.

So what? You don't believe in home field advantage?

(08-25-2020 09:39 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:35 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 07:48 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Not this guy. Last season there were six G5 schools who finished in the AP Top 25. If anything, there are way too few G5 teams who start in the Top 25 considering who things finish.

Funny thing is, none of those G5 teams had *any* wins over P5 teams worth mentioning. IIRC, the best G5 win over a P5 team last year was over a P5 that had six losses.

And yet, as you say, six G5 were ranked in the final top 25. This IMO means the voters were willing to give G5 teams a lot of credit for beating lots of G5 teams. I'm not sure we've ever seen that before.

It's a change in attitude that might be important.

How many opportunities did the better G5 teams have to play against top rated P5 teams? How many of those were at home? Scheduling imbalances shouldn't be overlooked.

Probably none at home (so what?), but there were some games between some of the top G5 teams and very good P5.

The very good P5 clobbered them every time.

So what? You don't believe in home field advantage?

I just looked up a score - Notre Dame (very good P) defeated Navy (very good G) by 52-20.

You think HFA is worth 32 points?

(08-25-2020 09:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 07:48 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 07:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Its B.S. there are schools from the AAC in this poll

- This board, probably

Not this guy. Last season there were six G5 schools who finished in the AP Top 25. If anything, there are way too few G5 teams who start in the Top 25 considering who things finish.

Funny thing is, none of those G5 teams had *any* wins over P5 teams worth mentioning. IIRC, the best G5 win over a P5 team last year was over a P5 that had six losses.

And yet, as you say, six G5 were ranked in the final top 25. This IMO means the voters were willing to give G5 teams a lot of credit for beating lots of G5 teams. I'm not sure we've ever seen that before.

It's a change in attitude that might be important.

I'm assuming you're talking about App State over UNC. Okay, six losses are six losses. But that team lost all six games by no more than seven points, including a one point loss to Clemson on a failed two point conversion. So they weren't exactly slouches.

But yeah, I'm not saying it was a win over a top 25 team. It's a shame. App State came thisclose to beating a top 15 Penn State in State College the year before in overtime, but that tyoe of team wasn't on the schedule last year. Such is life.

Anyway, yeah, I suppose voters are making a change in attitude, at least later in the season.

(08-25-2020 09:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:39 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:35 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Funny thing is, none of those G5 teams had *any* wins over P5 teams worth mentioning. IIRC, the best G5 win over a P5 team last year was over a P5 that had six losses.

And yet, as you say, six G5 were ranked in the final top 25. This IMO means the voters were willing to give G5 teams a lot of credit for beating lots of G5 teams. I'm not sure we've ever seen that before.

It's a change in attitude that might be important.

How many opportunities did the better G5 teams have to play against top rated P5 teams? How many of those were at home? Scheduling imbalances shouldn't be overlooked.

Probably none at home (so what?), but there were some games between some of the top G5 teams and very good P5.

The very good P5 clobbered them every time.

So what? You don't believe in home field advantage?

I just looked up a score - Notre Dame (very good P) defeated Navy (very good G) by 52-20.

You think HFA is worth 32 points?

I think it can be. I would certainly be willing to bet it would be a lot closer. BTW Navy beat an 8-4 KSU team that beat Oklahoma. You think that happens if KSU plays in Norman?

(08-25-2020 09:49 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:39 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:35 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  How many opportunities did the better G5 teams have to play against top rated P5 teams? How many of those were at home? Scheduling imbalances shouldn't be overlooked.

Probably none at home (so what?), but there were some games between some of the top G5 teams and very good P5.

The very good P5 clobbered them every time.

So what? You don't believe in home field advantage?

I just looked up a score - Notre Dame (very good P) defeated Navy (very good G) by 52-20.

You think HFA is worth 32 points?

I think it can be.

Oh come on man. What do bettors value it at, between 3 and 7 points?

(08-25-2020 10:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:49 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:39 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Probably none at home (so what?), but there were some games between some of the top G5 teams and very good P5.

The very good P5 clobbered them every time.

So what? You don't believe in home field advantage?

I just looked up a score - Notre Dame (very good P) defeated Navy (very good G) by 52-20.

You think HFA is worth 32 points?

I think it can be.

Oh come on man. What do bettors value it at, between 3 and 7 points?

You're intentionally missing the point. You claimed that the G5 hadn't notched any notable wins against the P5 last year. My point was simply that they don't get many quality opportunities because of scheduling imbalances. I wasn't actually trying to argue that Navy could beat ND if the game were at home. Navy was the 3rd or 4th best team in the AAC and ND was a legitimate contender for a playoff spot. They were expected to handle Navy and they did (just like they handled the majority of their schedule). It is interesting though that you brought up Navy because they actually had a win against an 8-4 P5 team, KSU who beat OU. If KSU only got to play one or two P5 teams every year, with most of those coming on the road, they probably wouldn't ever garner much attention. Playing in the Big 12 however they get opportunities at home against teams like OU and from time to time they are able to capitalize. G5 teams don't get those same opportunities. You get 1-2 shots at a P5 team every year. Sometimes three if you make a bowl and get matched up with one. If you're lucky about 40% of those games are going to be at home, but to even get a percentage that good you're probably sacrificing the quality of your opponent some. After that its still a crap shoot because games are scheduled 5-7 years in advance so who really knows how good the games you scheduled will be (i.e. last years UCF-Stanford game, which normally would be a marquee match up). Looking at the AAC last yea every team in the top 6 or upper half of the league had a win against a P5 team. None had losing records. All of that despite the scheduling imbalances I've noted. Those teams handled their schedules last year. Point to the UC-tOSU loss or the Navy-ND loss if you want but there weren't but maybe two or three teams last year that could have beat those teams in their house.

(08-25-2020 10:43 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 10:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:49 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:39 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  So what? You don't believe in home field advantage?

I just looked up a score - Notre Dame (very good P) defeated Navy (very good G) by 52-20.

You think HFA is worth 32 points?

I think it can be.

Oh come on man. What do bettors value it at, between 3 and 7 points?

You're intentionally missing the point. You claimed that the G5 hadn't notched any notable wins against the P5 last year.

A point which is entirely true.

My point was simply that they don't get many quality opportunities because of scheduling imbalances.

But, the opportunities that they had, they got cold-cocked in.

Beyond the above, you missed my main point, which was that despite not having any good wins vs P5 teams, several G5 managed to make the Top 25 anyway, which could indicate more respect for G5 football on the part of the voters.