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(08-28-2020 06:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(08-26-2020 11:27 AM)ruowls Wrote:  My first year at Rice we played the defending National Champs (Miami) and played Texas when they were ranked #1. This year Rice was supposed to play the defending National Champ (LSU).
My second year at Rice, we played around the 10th toughest schedule that year in the nation with 2 teams finishing in the top 6, one at 11, one at 17 and 3 more between 22-30. One team started the season in the top 3 but didn't fare so well. I am pretty sure that I just didn't just show up and take up stadium space.

For those who don't remember, that second year included a return matchup against Miami (who were actually better than the previous year), where with 4 minutes left we were taking time out on defense to preserve clock for our offense to try to tie the game up. Unfortunately our defense gave up a TD, and then we gave up another, to put an end to those hopes. But on that day, we competed against a top ten team that was about to put together an amazing run of national champions/contenders.

So yes we did compete, and you were a big part of that. That's not Rice football today, and I'm of the opinion that Rice doesn't want it to be.

This is what people don't remember. They look at 3-8 or even 1-10 or whatever and assume that we weren't good, but that isn't true at all. We just weren't as good as the guys who were overtly cheating at the time

Guys would walk on at other places and were given summer jobs that paid enough for them to pay their tuition... so a backhanded scholarship... and the really good guys were given cars and jobs for their parents. Schools had 125+ people on their rosters.... we had about 85. Injuries were death for us... starters sometimes ran scout teams.

We were probably top 50-75, but unfortunately we played 8 of 11 games against top 30 teams... and 5 of them against top 10 teams.
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(08-28-2020 06:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(08-26-2020 11:27 AM)ruowls Wrote:  My first year at Rice we played the defending National Champs (Miami) and played Texas when they were ranked #1. This year Rice was supposed to play the defending National Champ (LSU).
My second year at Rice, we played around the 10th toughest schedule that year in the nation with 2 teams finishing in the top 6, one at 11, one at 17 and 3 more between 22-30. One team started the season in the top 3 but didn't fare so well. I am pretty sure that I just didn't just show up and take up stadium space.

For those who don't remember, that second year included a return matchup against Miami (who were actually better than the previous year), where with 4 minutes left we were taking time out on defense to preserve clock for our offense to try to tie the game up. Unfortunately our defense gave up a TD, and then we gave up another, to put an end to those hopes. But on that day, we competed against a top ten team that was about to put together an amazing run of national champions/contenders.

So yes we did compete, and you were a big part of that. That's not Rice football today, and I'm of the opinion that Rice doesn't want it to be.

I have a couple questions for you.

But first, if I remember correctly, Rice and Miami were tied 10-10 at halftime. As to the end of the game, Jimmie Johnson called a timeout with Miami on the one yard line with less than 10 seconds remaining in the game so they could run another play to score their last TD which allowed them to beat the spread. I remember Brown having a colorful one sided conversation towards Johnson across the field.

Who at Rice doesn't want it to be? I think it is a combination of stupidity and arrogance by some influential people thinking they can become successful and failing miserably and not recognizing their leadership debacle. I am not sure Rice is intentionally not wanting to succeed but more that Rice has delegated management to a select few who have gained power and refuse to consider any action other than their own. Because on paper, their plan should work and it makes rational sense to educated people who don't know any better.
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(08-28-2020 11:20 AM)ruowls Wrote:  I am not sure Rice is intentionally not wanting to succeed but more that Rice has delegated management to a select few who have gained power and refuse to consider any action other than their own. Because on paper, their plan should work and it makes rational sense to educated people who don't know any better.

There has always seemed to be a strong tendency at Rice (in leadership) to think inside the box and stick to what has worked elsewhere.

As I alluded to, our current model seems to strongly mirror the ivies, while our sports model strongly mirrors Stanford.

It's a tendency to do what has worked before or elsewhere as opposed to 'unconventional wisdom'.
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(08-28-2020 11:04 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  They put out IDK, 500 MBAs each year. The odds that 50 of them do very well is high. We put out 50. Even if all of them are great, it's still the same number.

Just pulling this out because I'm in the Rice MBA program right now. It's grown quite a bit since we had 50 per year (admittedly not that long ago). Combining the full-time, professional, and executive programs, more than 350 new students started at Rice this year. TAMU only started 179 across their MBA programs. The Mays school has about 1,000 total grad students, but a large portion of them are TAMU undergrads continuing into various MS degrees (HR, accounting, marketing, etc). Maybe that's a distinction without a difference to your argument, but the scale of the MBA programs specifically aren't the same. I grew up around Aggies, so I know what that network is like (even attended a muster once). I also turned down TAMU undergrad to go to Rice, I'm confident I wouldn't have the same opportunities if I went to College Station for either my bachelor's or my MBA.
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(08-28-2020 01:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:20 AM)ruowls Wrote:  I am not sure Rice is intentionally not wanting to succeed but more that Rice has delegated management to a select few who have gained power and refuse to consider any action other than their own. Because on paper, their plan should work and it makes rational sense to educated people who don't know any better.

There has always seemed to be a strong tendency at Rice (in leadership) to think inside the box and stick to what has worked elsewhere.

As I alluded to, our current model seems to strongly mirror the ivies, while our sports model strongly mirrors Stanford.

It's a tendency to do what has worked before or elsewhere as opposed to 'unconventional wisdom'.

If Rice was a bad sports program in a good conference then the Stanford model would be a pretty good one to follow. But not sure we have the money to follow the Stanford model and actually substantially raise Rice's athletic profile in football and men's basketball. I'm pretty sure you and I agree on this, which is why Rice needs to be less conventional in its approach if we really want to force improvement in football and men's basketball.
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(08-28-2020 01:57 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 01:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:20 AM)ruowls Wrote:  I am not sure Rice is intentionally not wanting to succeed but more that Rice has delegated management to a select few who have gained power and refuse to consider any action other than their own. Because on paper, their plan should work and it makes rational sense to educated people who don't know any better.

There has always seemed to be a strong tendency at Rice (in leadership) to think inside the box and stick to what has worked elsewhere.

As I alluded to, our current model seems to strongly mirror the ivies, while our sports model strongly mirrors Stanford.

It's a tendency to do what has worked before or elsewhere as opposed to 'unconventional wisdom'.

If Rice was a bad sports program in a good conference then the Stanford model would be a pretty good one to follow. But not sure we have the money to follow the Stanford model and actually substantially raise Rice's athletic profile in football and men's basketball. I'm pretty sure you and I agree on this, which is why Rice needs to be less conventional in its approach if we really want to force improvement in football and men's basketball.

What is the Stanford model?
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(08-28-2020 02:26 PM)ruowls Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 01:57 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 01:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:20 AM)ruowls Wrote:  I am not sure Rice is intentionally not wanting to succeed but more that Rice has delegated management to a select few who have gained power and refuse to consider any action other than their own. Because on paper, their plan should work and it makes rational sense to educated people who don't know any better.

There has always seemed to be a strong tendency at Rice (in leadership) to think inside the box and stick to what has worked elsewhere.

As I alluded to, our current model seems to strongly mirror the ivies, while our sports model strongly mirrors Stanford.

It's a tendency to do what has worked before or elsewhere as opposed to 'unconventional wisdom'.

If Rice was a bad sports program in a good conference then the Stanford model would be a pretty good one to follow. But not sure we have the money to follow the Stanford model and actually substantially raise Rice's athletic profile in football and men's basketball. I'm pretty sure you and I agree on this, which is why Rice needs to be less conventional in its approach if we really want to force improvement in football and men's basketball.

What is the Stanford model?

Good question!
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(08-28-2020 02:45 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 02:26 PM)ruowls Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 01:57 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 01:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:20 AM)ruowls Wrote:  I am not sure Rice is intentionally not wanting to succeed but more that Rice has delegated management to a select few who have gained power and refuse to consider any action other than their own. Because on paper, their plan should work and it makes rational sense to educated people who don't know any better.

There has always seemed to be a strong tendency at Rice (in leadership) to think inside the box and stick to what has worked elsewhere.

As I alluded to, our current model seems to strongly mirror the ivies, while our sports model strongly mirrors Stanford.

It's a tendency to do what has worked before or elsewhere as opposed to 'unconventional wisdom'.

If Rice was a bad sports program in a good conference then the Stanford model would be a pretty good one to follow. But not sure we have the money to follow the Stanford model and actually substantially raise Rice's athletic profile in football and men's basketball. I'm pretty sure you and I agree on this, which is why Rice needs to be less conventional in its approach if we really want to force improvement in football and men's basketball.

What is the Stanford model?

Good question!

Step 1: Be an academically prestigious school in an athletically prestigious conference.

Step 2: Have a large enough athletics endowment to fund several small universities.

Step 3: ?????

Step 4: Become recognized as Stanford.
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(08-28-2020 02:50 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 02:45 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 02:26 PM)ruowls Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 01:57 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 01:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  There has always seemed to be a strong tendency at Rice (in leadership) to think inside the box and stick to what has worked elsewhere.

As I alluded to, our current model seems to strongly mirror the ivies, while our sports model strongly mirrors Stanford.

It's a tendency to do what has worked before or elsewhere as opposed to 'unconventional wisdom'.

If Rice was a bad sports program in a good conference then the Stanford model would be a pretty good one to follow. But not sure we have the money to follow the Stanford model and actually substantially raise Rice's athletic profile in football and men's basketball. I'm pretty sure you and I agree on this, which is why Rice needs to be less conventional in its approach if we really want to force improvement in football and men's basketball.

What is the Stanford model?

Good question!

Step 1: Be an academically prestigious school in an athletically prestigious conference.

Step 2: Have a large enough athletics endowment to fund several small universities.

Step 3: ?????

Step 4: Become recognized as Stanford.

So grading how Rice is doing vs. that model...

1. F
2. F
3. Inc.
4. F

Owls either need better model implementers or a new model.
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The model Rice seems to be following looks more like:

Step 1: Be an academically prestigious school in a lower level G5 conference.

Step 2: Have a large enough endowment to fund athletics, but be unwilling to do so.

Step 3: ????? (Unconventional Wisdom?)

Step 4: Continue being recognized as Rice.
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I don't think it is anything purposeful. I highly doubt that when JK was hired, he was told "We want you come here and help us stay mediocre." And if he was, I doubt he would have taken the job.

And I doubt that Leebron was told a goal was to keep us mediocre athletically.

I think it is a matter of goals.

I think the goal has always beent become more and more prominent academically, to make Rice a top academic school, and committing time, effort and resources to that goal does not include putting time, effort, and resources into athletics.


So if our goal is not to become the best in this area, why keep at it? Time to get off the pot, so to speak.

Put in the effort to become good, or forget about it.
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(08-28-2020 11:20 AM)ruowls Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 06:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  For those who don't remember, that second year included a return matchup against Miami (who were actually better than the previous year), where with 4 minutes left we were taking time out on defense to preserve clock for our offense to try to tie the game up. Unfortunately our defense gave up a TD, and then we gave up another, to put an end to those hopes. But on that day, we competed against a top ten team that was about to put together an amazing run of national champions/contenders.
So yes we did compete, and you were a big part of that. That's not Rice football today, and I'm of the opinion that Rice doesn't want it to be.
I have a couple questions for you.
But first, if I remember correctly, Rice and Miami were tied 10-10 at halftime. As to the end of the game, Jimmie Johnson called a timeout with Miami on the one yard line with less than 10 seconds remaining in the game so they could run another play to score their last TD which allowed them to beat the spread. I remember Brown having a colorful one sided conversation towards Johnson across the field.
Who at Rice doesn't want it to be? I think it is a combination of stupidity and arrogance by some influential people thinking they can become successful and failing miserably and not recognizing their leadership debacle. I am not sure Rice is intentionally not wanting to succeed but more that Rice has delegated management to a select few who have gained power and refuse to consider any action other than their own. Because on paper, their plan should work and it makes rational sense to educated people who don't know any better.

I don't think there are necessarily many people at Rice want it NOT to be. But there are a fairly large number who are indifferent. Pastor Chuck Swindoll says that hate is not the opposite of love, indifference is. In the words of baseball manager Eddie Stanky, you have 8 guys who love you, 8 guys who hate you, and 8 guys who don't care, and the secret is to keep the 8 guys who hate you away from the 8 guys who don't care. Rice hasn't done a good job of keeping the folks who want athletics to fail away from the people who don't care.

I think Leebron would actually like to see Rice do well. But he doesn't have a clue how to go about it. As a result, he has done some good things for athletics, but he has all too often been swayed by people who either don't want athletics to succeed or don't care.

At this point, I frankly think the only way for Rice to have a successful athletic program is to run the time machine back to 1947 or so, and have T. Boone Pickens transfer from Texas A&M to Rice instead of Okie State. I really think it will take something of that magnitude.

We need some rich alum to give a bunch of money (and I mean a big bunch) to Rice athletics, in order to fund a proper program. You're in Cali, and so is John Doerr, so I would say go to work. But unfortunately, neither John nor Ann have ever been big supporters of Rice athletics. Ricefootballnet says it's his fault for not taking John to games, so I'll let him blame himself.
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(08-28-2020 02:59 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  The model Rice seems to be following looks more like:

Step 1: Be an academically prestigious school in a lower level G5 conference.

Step 2: Have a large enough endowment to fund athletics, but be unwilling to do so.

Step 3: ????? (Unconventional Wisdom?)

Step 4: Become recognized as Rice.

Stanford and the Pac12 has an interesting history. Back in the day, there was quite a bit of animosity and back stabbing (the Pacific Coast Conference). USC was suspended, Cal hated the Northwest schools. Oregon got kicked out for inappropriate benefits. Oregon said UCLA is cheating too. Stanford hated UCLA. UCLA hated Stanford. Idaho and Montana left and didn't want to come back. Even now, the Pac 12 is having issues as a league with regards to TV revenue and content distribution.
Stanford never had much of a reputation in Texas. I was in a theory of coaching class at Rice when I was there and the professor told everyone Stanford was horrible athletically. I told him football maybe and I showed him an NCAA sports ranking and Stanford was in the top 3 in many of the sports outside of football and men's basketball. The Rice professor had been a football coach at UT and was pretty clueless about Stanford athletics. Other than a few years here and there, Stanford football hasn't been much. They did have a pretty good run for a decade but have fallen off a notch or two the last few years. Stanford has always been enamored with emulating the pro style. They have hired from and sent coaches to the NFL. They actually have a pretty conventional football philosophy.
In summary, the PAC 12 has had issues as a conference and is still together probably because there aren't any other options for the member schools. The Pac 12 hasn't had a national champ in football in close to 2 decades and has only had 2 teams make the college football playoffs since it started. They have had multiple years when they didn't even qualify a team. So, Stanford football is looking more like Rice.....an average team in an increasingly irrelevant conference.
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(08-28-2020 05:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:20 AM)ruowls Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 06:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  For those who don't remember, that second year included a return matchup against Miami (who were actually better than the previous year), where with 4 minutes left we were taking time out on defense to preserve clock for our offense to try to tie the game up. Unfortunately our defense gave up a TD, and then we gave up another, to put an end to those hopes. But on that day, we competed against a top ten team that was about to put together an amazing run of national champions/contenders.
So yes we did compete, and you were a big part of that. That's not Rice football today, and I'm of the opinion that Rice doesn't want it to be.
I have a couple questions for you.
But first, if I remember correctly, Rice and Miami were tied 10-10 at halftime. As to the end of the game, Jimmie Johnson called a timeout with Miami on the one yard line with less than 10 seconds remaining in the game so they could run another play to score their last TD which allowed them to beat the spread. I remember Brown having a colorful one sided conversation towards Johnson across the field.
Who at Rice doesn't want it to be? I think it is a combination of stupidity and arrogance by some influential people thinking they can become successful and failing miserably and not recognizing their leadership debacle. I am not sure Rice is intentionally not wanting to succeed but more that Rice has delegated management to a select few who have gained power and refuse to consider any action other than their own. Because on paper, their plan should work and it makes rational sense to educated people who don't know any better.

I don't think there are necessarily many people at Rice want it NOT to be. But there are a fairly large number who are indifferent. Pastor Chuck Swindoll says that hate is not the opposite of love, indifference is. In the words of baseball manager Eddie Stanky, you have 8 guys who love you, 8 guys who hate you, and 8 guys who don't care, and the secret is to keep the 8 guys who hate you away from the 8 guys who don't care. Rice hasn't done a good job of keeping the folks who want athletics to fail away from the people who don't care.

I think Leebron would actually like to see Rice do well. But he doesn't have a clue how to go about it. As a result, he has done some good things for athletics, but he has all too often been swayed by people who either don't want athletics to succeed or don't care.

At this point, I frankly think the only way for Rice to have a successful athletic program is to run the time machine back to 1947 or so, and have T. Boone Pickens transfer from Texas A&M to Rice instead of Okie State. I really think it will take something of that magnitude.

We need some rich alum to give a bunch of money (and I mean a big bunch) to Rice athletics, in order to fund a proper program. You're in Cali, and so is John Doerr, so I would say go to work. But unfortunately, neither John nor Ann have ever been big supporters of Rice athletics. Ricefootballnet says it's his fault for not taking John to games, so I'll let him blame himself.

So, Rice needs a bunch of money and it is MY job to go procure it?
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(08-28-2020 05:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:20 AM)ruowls Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 06:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  For those who don't remember, that second year included a return matchup against Miami (who were actually better than the previous year), where with 4 minutes left we were taking time out on defense to preserve clock for our offense to try to tie the game up. Unfortunately our defense gave up a TD, and then we gave up another, to put an end to those hopes. But on that day, we competed against a top ten team that was about to put together an amazing run of national champions/contenders.
So yes we did compete, and you were a big part of that. That's not Rice football today, and I'm of the opinion that Rice doesn't want it to be.
I have a couple questions for you.
But first, if I remember correctly, Rice and Miami were tied 10-10 at halftime. As to the end of the game, Jimmie Johnson called a timeout with Miami on the one yard line with less than 10 seconds remaining in the game so they could run another play to score their last TD which allowed them to beat the spread. I remember Brown having a colorful one sided conversation towards Johnson across the field.
Who at Rice doesn't want it to be? I think it is a combination of stupidity and arrogance by some influential people thinking they can become successful and failing miserably and not recognizing their leadership debacle. I am not sure Rice is intentionally not wanting to succeed but more that Rice has delegated management to a select few who have gained power and refuse to consider any action other than their own. Because on paper, their plan should work and it makes rational sense to educated people who don't know any better.

I don't think there are necessarily many people at Rice want it NOT to be. But there are a fairly large number who are indifferent. Pastor Chuck Swindoll says that hate is not the opposite of love, indifference is. In the words of baseball manager Eddie Stanky, you have 8 guys who love you, 8 guys who hate you, and 8 guys who don't care, and the secret is to keep the 8 guys who hate you away from the 8 guys who don't care. Rice hasn't done a good job of keeping the folks who want athletics to fail away from the people who don't care.

I think Leebron would actually like to see Rice do well. But he doesn't have a clue how to go about it. As a result, he has done some good things for athletics, but he has all too often been swayed by people who either don't want athletics to succeed or don't care.

At this point, I frankly think the only way for Rice to have a successful athletic program is to run the time machine back to 1947 or so, and have T. Boone Pickens transfer from Texas A&M to Rice instead of Okie State. I really think it will take something of that magnitude.

We need some rich alum to give a bunch of money (and I mean a big bunch) to Rice athletics, in order to fund a proper program. You're in Cali, and so is John Doerr, so I would say go to work. But unfortunately, neither John nor Ann have ever been big supporters of Rice athletics. Ricefootballnet says it's his fault for not taking John to games, so I'll let him blame himself.

I think you are missing a group. There is a group that wants Rice to be successful and are swaying Leebron and others to their way. And they quash any alternative viewpoint. And their guidance is not yielding the desired results.
A major component, and one you seem to be encouraging, is that Rice needs a major influx of money. What Rice needs is a major influx of intellectual capital. Certainly, increasing revenue is a key component. But, it can be done efficiently, like Boise State. You don't have to spend the most to get results and spending the most doesn't guarantee the best results. I think we can agree that Rice has set a limit to the amount of support that they will give. Rice needs to build a foundation within this budget that can then incrementally increase revenue to maintain and further increase success.
The goal should be to increase the intellectual capital that others don't have that others can't buy. This would separate Rice from the pack. Unfortunately, Rice has difficulty identifying intellectual capital that would differentiate itself from others.
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(08-28-2020 02:50 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 02:26 PM)ruowls Wrote:  What is the Stanford model?

Step 3: ?????

Step 3: Have at least one mega-donor who can fund and build whatever is needed (Similar to what Owl 69/70/75 mentioned above.)

Stanford = John Arrillaga.

Rice ... was George Brown. Now?
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Also ...

Does anyone know the specific location "next door to the Moody Center" where the new Arts Building will be built?

Might it be a) south of Moody ... replacing the Rice Media Center? (If so, I hope the lovely vegetable garden stays.)?

Or, b) north of Moody, replacing the "Hess Parking Lot" and reducing the access/view of Reckling Park from College Way & Loop Road?

Or, c) somewhere else?

(Cf: https://csnbbs.com/thread-905244-post-16...id16960022 )

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(08-28-2020 07:09 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  Also ...

Does anyone know the specific location "next door to the Moody Center" where the new Arts Building will be built?

Might it be a) south of Moody ... replacing the Rice Media Center? (If so, I hope the lovely vegetable garden stays.)?

Or, b) north of Moody, replacing the "Hess Parking Lot" and reducing the access/view of Reckling Park from College Way & Loop Road?

Or, c) somewhere else?

(Cf: https://csnbbs.com/thread-905244-post-16...id16960022 )

:-)

Too bad it cannot replace that eyesore (Moody Center).
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(08-28-2020 01:52 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:04 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  They put out IDK, 500 MBAs each year. The odds that 50 of them do very well is high. We put out 50. Even if all of them are great, it's still the same number.

Just pulling this out because I'm in the Rice MBA program right now. It's grown quite a bit since we had 50 per year (admittedly not that long ago). Combining the full-time, professional, and executive programs, more than 350 new students started at Rice this year. TAMU only started 179 across their MBA programs. The Mays school has about 1,000 total grad students, but a large portion of them are TAMU undergrads continuing into various MS degrees (HR, accounting, marketing, etc). Maybe that's a distinction without a difference to your argument, but the scale of the MBA programs specifically aren't the same. I grew up around Aggies, so I know what that network is like (even attended a muster once). I also turned down TAMU undergrad to go to Rice, I'm confident I wouldn't have the same opportunities if I went to College Station for either my bachelor's or my MBA.

I should have looked into the numbers before making the comparison, but the point is that there are a whole lot more of them (generally, and in almost every single degree program) than us.

It's not a distinction without a difference, it was just a careless example by me.
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(08-28-2020 05:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I don't think it is anything purposeful. I highly doubt that when JK was hired, he was told "We want you come here and help us stay mediocre." And if he was, I doubt he would have taken the job.

And I doubt that Leebron was told a goal was to keep us mediocre athletically.

I think it is a matter of goals.

I think the goal has always beent become more and more prominent academically, to make Rice a top academic school, and committing time, effort and resources to that goal does not include putting time, effort, and resources into athletics.


So if our goal is not to become the best in this area, why keep at it? Time to get off the pot, so to speak.

Put in the effort to become good, or forget about it.

Is Rice getting any more prominent academically? It doesn’t appear so per the rankings.

Maybe the goal is to get outrageously more expensive? 05-stirthepot
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