Those teams ought to get together and state let us play or we will break away.

Was there an actual vote? If so, then the Presidents did this to their teams...that is where your issue lay.

Why would they cancel so soon anyways...kinda cuck like.

If you are social distancing and only planning for 20% in the stadium the logistics are not as bad. You could write contracts with suppliers to limit guarantee losses if you cancel by 2-3 weeks out. The suppliers need about 2-3 weeks to get stuff.

Start either on Sept 12th or 19th.

If Ohio State, Penn State, Iowa, and Nebraska were to start a new 14-team conference, the resulting conference would have the exact same members as the current Big 10.

(08-21-2020 03:44 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  If Ohio State, Penn State, Iowa, and Nebraska were to start a new 14-team conference, the resulting conference would have the exact same members as the current Big 10.

Considering that recruiting access and revenue will be the two greatest factors in motivating football moves in the future, I'm not sure this is true. I could definitely see the football first schools of the Big 10 moving for Texas and Oklahoma, perhaps U.S.C., Colorado, etc.

In other words since academic associations are by and large free for schools anywhere to make on their own and independent of sports affiliations, other than in the Big 10, I think in part what you will witness if they break away is the breaking away from being bound to others based on academics alone. And the world into which we are moving seems to me to be a world in which academic and athletic associations will be wholly distinct, and well they should be.

Kevin Warren better start freshening up his LinkedIn profile. He’s going to be job hunting soon.

I say this in jest, but seriously, his ability to lead is in serious doubt and it would be better to fire him quickly so his replacement has some time to settle In Before having to negotiate a tv contract and potentially vet and negotiate an expansion.

(08-21-2020 09:27 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:09 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 01:06 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  @DavidST

This is the thing. Whether or not there is football this virus rages on. I would argue that it is SAFER being apart of a program getting regularly tested than the general student population.

What happens after the season is over? Do the athletes continue to remain on campus because it's safer for them? Or are schools just trying to keep them safe for football season and then send them back to their dangerous environment?

Is the season ever really over? Furthermore, it's dangerous for everyone. You are acting as though playing football puts them at an increased risk compared to the general population, and I'm saying prove it.

Yes, the season is over. Even if these kids don't show signs of the virus, they can spread the virus.

(08-21-2020 07:20 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Sending them back in December will be better, when cases nationally will almost surely be lower.

Really? If that's the case then why not wait until December to play if it will almost surely be lower?

(08-21-2020 09:27 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:09 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 01:06 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  @DavidST

This is the thing. Whether or not there is football this virus rages on. I would argue that it is SAFER being apart of a program getting regularly tested than the general student population.

What happens after the season is over? Do the athletes continue to remain on campus because it's safer for them? Or are schools just trying to keep them safe for football season and then send them back to their dangerous environment?

Is the season ever really over? Furthermore, it's dangerous for everyone. You are acting as though playing football puts them at an increased risk compared to the general population, and I'm saying prove it.

So you can tell how I'm acting from your computer? Freaky.....

Nevertheless, you didn't answer the question. People saying the players will be safer on campus aren't addressing how campuses will keep the athletes safe once the season is over.

(08-21-2020 03:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 03:44 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  If Ohio State, Penn State, Iowa, and Nebraska were to start a new 14-team conference, the resulting conference would have the exact same members as the current Big 10.

Considering that recruiting access and revenue will be the two greatest factors in motivating football moves in the future, I'm not sure this is true. I could definitely see the football first schools of the Big 10 moving for Texas and Oklahoma, perhaps U.S.C., Colorado, etc.

In other words since academic associations are by and large free for schools anywhere to make on their own and independent of sports affiliations, other than in the Big 10, I think in part what you will witness if they break away is the breaking away from being bound to others based on academics alone. And the world into which we are moving seems to me to be a world in which academic and athletic associations will be wholly distinct, and well they should be.

That would be the problem that Michigan, Penn. State or Ohio State are not in position to over turn their local and state Governments. As it is, Iowa and Nebraska have strict travel ordeal where they have to quarantine for 14 days to go to the other states in the conference because of them being red and dark red with the spiking of the positive rates. Boston College and Syracuse along with Army will have hard time getting other schools to play there with the travel restrictions. Virginia is in the same issues. All the schools could face restrictions from the other ACC schools. The biggest spikes of the virus are in states in the south, southeast, southern plains and northern plains. There are a lot of people are ignoring the guidelines including some players.

(08-21-2020 04:45 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 09:27 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:09 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 01:06 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  @DavidST

This is the thing. Whether or not there is football this virus rages on. I would argue that it is SAFER being apart of a program getting regularly tested than the general student population.

What happens after the season is over? Do the athletes continue to remain on campus because it's safer for them? Or are schools just trying to keep them safe for football season and then send them back to their dangerous environment?

Is the season ever really over? Furthermore, it's dangerous for everyone. You are acting as though playing football puts them at an increased risk compared to the general population, and I'm saying prove it.

So you can tell how I'm acting from your computer? Freaky.....

Nevertheless, you didn't answer the question. People saying the players will be safer on campus aren't addressing how campuses will keep the athletes safe once the season is over.

If the SEC ends up playing football this Fall and the B1G does not end up playing football at all, Fall or Spring, how will the safety-situation of an SEC player differ from that of a B1G player in say February, after the SEC season is over?

(08-21-2020 06:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 04:45 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 09:27 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:09 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 01:06 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  @DavidST

This is the thing. Whether or not there is football this virus rages on. I would argue that it is SAFER being apart of a program getting regularly tested than the general student population.

What happens after the season is over? Do the athletes continue to remain on campus because it's safer for them? Or are schools just trying to keep them safe for football season and then send them back to their dangerous environment?

Is the season ever really over? Furthermore, it's dangerous for everyone. You are acting as though playing football puts them at an increased risk compared to the general population, and I'm saying prove it.

So you can tell how I'm acting from your computer? Freaky.....

Nevertheless, you didn't answer the question. People saying the players will be safer on campus aren't addressing how campuses will keep the athletes safe once the season is over.

If the SEC ends up playing football this Fall and the B1G does not end up playing football at all, Fall or Spring, how will the safety-situation of an SEC player differ from that of a B1G player in say February, after the SEC season is over?

Again sidestepping my question. The people making the noise about players being safer on campus aren't addressing how these players will be kept safe once the season is over. Now you and many others can play ignorant as to why this narrative is being pushed by folks with ties to the Big 12, SEC, and ACC when it's pretty obvious why that is. People are only concerned that players remain healthy to play football whether it be fall or spring and gives less than a s**t about these guys once the season is over. So this so call "concerned" about players safety is disingenuous and void of substance.

To be honest, it isn't even necessary to push this narrative. Matter of fact it's pretty stupid to do so. But that's just my opinion.

(08-21-2020 06:46 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 06:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 04:45 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 09:27 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:09 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  What happens after the season is over? Do the athletes continue to remain on campus because it's safer for them? Or are schools just trying to keep them safe for football season and then send them back to their dangerous environment?

Is the season ever really over? Furthermore, it's dangerous for everyone. You are acting as though playing football puts them at an increased risk compared to the general population, and I'm saying prove it.

So you can tell how I'm acting from your computer? Freaky.....

Nevertheless, you didn't answer the question. People saying the players will be safer on campus aren't addressing how campuses will keep the athletes safe once the season is over.

If the SEC ends up playing football this Fall and the B1G does not end up playing football at all, Fall or Spring, how will the safety-situation of an SEC player differ from that of a B1G player in say February, after the SEC season is over?

Again sidestepping my question. The people making the noise about players being safer on campus aren't addressing how these players will be kept safe once the season is over.

Why on earth would it need to be addressed? Presumably, once the season is over and the players return to the regular student population, they will be protected to the same extent that the regular students are, which is entirely appropriate. They don't deserve extra protection or inferior protection once that is their status.

FWIW, I don't know if players will be safer on campus or not. I have questioned those who insist they are less safe while playing than they will be if football is canceled and they are not playing. Nobody has explained why that would be the case.

If the SEC plays football this Fall and the B1G does not, will Trevor Lawrence be more likely to catch CV than Justin Fields? We shall see.

(08-21-2020 04:40 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:20 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Sending them back in December will be better, when cases nationally will almost surely be lower.

Really? If that's the case then why not wait until December to play if it will almost surely be lower?

Because as you probably know there isn't going to be any spring season.

(08-21-2020 07:39 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 04:40 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:20 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Sending them back in December will be better, when cases nationally will almost surely be lower.

Really? If that's the case then why not wait until December to play if it will almost surely be lower?

Because as you probably know there isn't going to be any spring season.

I don't know that. Do you know that?

(08-21-2020 09:15 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:39 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 04:40 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:20 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Sending them back in December will be better, when cases nationally will almost surely be lower.

Really? If that's the case then why not wait until December to play if it will almost surely be lower?

Because as you probably know there isn't going to be any spring season.

I don't know that. Do you know that?

I’d say 15 days to slow the curve turning into 150+ days and counting gives ample evidence as to what our “scientific” betters will try to impose

Warren fullfilled the wishes of the B1G presidents. Parents and players should be directing their ire at the presidents, not Warren.

(08-22-2020 06:44 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Warren fullfilled the wishes of the B1G presidents. Parents and players should be directing their ire at the presidents, not Warren.

Eh, do commissioners merely enact the will of presidents, or do they exercise leadership and try to advise and thus sway them? There has to be a lot of the latter, especially on big decisions, otherwise why pay a commissioner?

Plus, protests might be more effective if they concentrate their fire on a focal point rather than are scattered about, and Warren is the commissioner so is a natural focal point. The presidents get the message when he is targeted.

Not that they care, of course.

(08-21-2020 09:15 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:39 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 04:40 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:20 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Sending them back in December will be better, when cases nationally will almost surely be lower.

Really? If that's the case then why not wait until December to play if it will almost surely be lower?

Because as you probably know there isn't going to be any spring season.

I don't know that. Do you know that?

Are B1G schools going to want to have a season that goes through the coldest time of the year?
How many players will opt out because they won't have months to get healthy and fresh for NFL combine/camps?
Will something be workable for TV networks with in unseasonable football season?
What about Spring practice and will there be concerns about players having to go through 2 seasons in a calendar year?

(08-22-2020 08:34 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 09:15 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:39 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 04:40 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:20 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Sending them back in December will be better, when cases nationally will almost surely be lower.

Really? If that's the case then why not wait until December to play if it will almost surely be lower?

Because as you probably know there isn't going to be any spring season.

I don't know that. Do you know that?

Are B1G schools going to want to have a season that goes through the coldest time of the year?
How many players will opt out because they won't have months to get healthy and fresh for NFL combine/camps?
Will something be workable for TV networks with in unseasonable football season?
What about Spring practice and will there be concerns about players having to go through 2 seasons in a calendar year?

And will they want to play in the middle of flu season? I don't think its any coincidence the biggest Covid problems right now are in the southern hemisphere.

(08-21-2020 06:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 06:46 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 06:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 04:45 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 09:27 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  Is the season ever really over? Furthermore, it's dangerous for everyone. You are acting as though playing football puts them at an increased risk compared to the general population, and I'm saying prove it.

So you can tell how I'm acting from your computer? Freaky.....

Nevertheless, you didn't answer the question. People saying the players will be safer on campus aren't addressing how campuses will keep the athletes safe once the season is over.

If the SEC ends up playing football this Fall and the B1G does not end up playing football at all, Fall or Spring, how will the safety-situation of an SEC player differ from that of a B1G player in say February, after the SEC season is over?

Again sidestepping my question. The people making the noise about players being safer on campus aren't addressing how these players will be kept safe once the season is over.

Why on earth would it need to be addressed?

Because the narrative being pushed that the athletes are safer on campus is a faulty one. But whatever, you all know what the deal is but just don't want to actually say it.

Meanwhile, are those 25 parents still protesting at the B1G HQs that was closed?

(08-22-2020 02:12 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 06:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 06:46 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 06:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 04:45 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  So you can tell how I'm acting from your computer? Freaky.....

Nevertheless, you didn't answer the question. People saying the players will be safer on campus aren't addressing how campuses will keep the athletes safe once the season is over.

If the SEC ends up playing football this Fall and the B1G does not end up playing football at all, Fall or Spring, how will the safety-situation of an SEC player differ from that of a B1G player in say February, after the SEC season is over?

Again sidestepping my question. The people making the noise about players being safer on campus aren't addressing how these players will be kept safe once the season is over.

Why on earth would it need to be addressed?

Because the narrative being pushed that the athletes are safer on campus is a faulty one.

You don't know if it's faulty or not. It may be true. There's good reason to think athletes in a largely cloistered, high-testing environment could very well be safer than if they are just out there in the general student population.

And same is true of 'society'. We don't know if college kids are safer or more likely to spread the virus to others around them at home if they are on a college campus or if they are learning remotely from home. All of that is unknown.

What we do know is that the latter probably makes the university less "liable" so we can expect that this will be the way most will go once "outbreaks" on campus happen.