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RE: Within next 10 years Memphis will have an on campus stadium
(08-22-2020 10:05 AM)Penny1 Wrote:  The longer the UofM waits to begin planning and actual fundraising, the more expensive the price will be.

In 2007, a $120 million dollar stadium would cost in 2020 $148 million. By 2027 that cost would be over $160 million.

I like Rudd. He's a go getter. So I feel he knows the importance long term for both the football program and the university by having an OCS.

Look at our conference mates. They're all investing in OCS and breaking away from being a renter to becoming a home stadium owner.

Cincinnati may not have built a new stadium, but they spent big bucks to expand and renovate their OCS.

Houston invested into football by building an OCS.

Even Tulane is ahead of Memphis right now in the OCS race.

USF and Temple are next for OCS'.

If SDSU, who is also investing in an OCS, is to join the AAC, soon Memphis will be the only member without an OCS.

Face it guys, the Liberty Bowl is too big and due to the LBC and SHC having say, it can't be chairbacked and reduced in seating capacity.

Memphis on average draws about 30-40,000 per home game, except when Ole Miss comes to town. And they're not coming back anytime soon.

The fairgrounds are 2 miles from campus. Too far to walk. The golf course is 1 mile from the new pedestrian bridge. That's walking distance.

It's also half a mile from the new indoor practice facility.

And let's say for a minute that the city sold the LBMS to UofM. The cost of renovation and upgrades, such as a new press box, would cost more than to build an OCS.

Louisiana-Monroe built a new press box and it cost $31 million. And that's on the cheap end. Because of the structure of LBMS, a new press box would run about $50 million.

Chairbacking the whole stadium to reduce capacity to about 48,000 would cost another $50 million.

This is just a few reasons why we need an OCS.

This would be an ideal OCS development for the UofM to go by. SDSU's new stadium.

[Image: 3-24-20_stadium_589.jpg]

One MAJOR difference. Even if it is built on the cheap as you say and it only cost $31 million it is the U of Memphis who is paying out that $31 million. Even if it cost much more to upgrade the LBS it is the CITY and STATE who are paying out the cost. Except for a possible million dollar fee IF AND ONLY IF the tourism zones does not bring in enough money to cover that year's cost for paying off the bonds.

State sales tax in the tourism zone is covering the cost of upgrades to the LBS. Any OCS will come out of the pockets of the U of Memphis. Meaning we cannot make upgrades to other athletic facilities when needed. We only have the IPF because we have our own board now and they allowed the U of Memphis to go into debt to build it. But there is a limit as to how much debt they will allow.
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(08-22-2020 04:06 AM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  
(08-21-2020 11:26 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I was a big proponent of an on campus stadium when the study was commissioned years ago, but I don't see it happening now. And the golf course is too far away, we need an on campus stadium to drive the connection between alumni and the university. It needs to actually be on campus if we are going to spend the money.

The LB seems to be holding up well. If they move the restrooms and ramps outside the footprint to open the west side up, and replace the press box, they can probably get 30 more years out of the old girl.

The South Campus is where all the new growth is. There will never be a Stadium on the main campus. The school is developing south with over 100 million in new additions. The golf course isn't to far away. It is right in the middle. Students travel around from the south to main campus daily now. In the next 10 years you will see a lot of more areas around park/getwell become part of the U of M. If done right the stadium would work there.

The infrastructure is just not there on the south campus to build an OCS. Traffic flow would be a total and complete fuster click after each game. Parking would be an issue as there would be no room for parking on the south campus once a OCS was built.

Just because a OCS' foot print would fit does not mean that building a stadium at a location is possible.
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(08-20-2020 11:12 PM)Penny1 Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 10:51 PM)CRM114 Wrote:  I can't see the point of replacing a stadium that's 2 miles from campus with one that's 1 mile from campus. That's still not an OCS. You can't just buy some land somewhere and call it "on campus"; otherwise we could acquire the fairgrounds for much less than a new stadium and bingo - we have an OCS. Nor do I like the idea of an OCS on the South Campus. Most alums have no real connection to that site.

I also disagree that LBMS is beyond economical upgrades. Most college stadiums are upgraded incrementally. I think the place has improved greatly in the past ten years with Tiger Lane, renovated restrooms, chair backs, new video board, etc. More can be done and for far less than starting over. Some people may think the single-tier design is obsolete, but that hasn't caused Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc. to build all-new stadiums.

If an university buys up land and develops facilities on it, it becomes a campus. Just like the Park Ave. is the south campus.

The golf course location would be the new mid campus.

The LBS has reached its peak. It's nice now, but we're talking 5-10 years from now where it will be. Out of date as newer technology for modern stadiums are passing up UofM and the LBS by miles.

Seriously, the LBS recent upgrades are nice, but they're a decade late.

Another thing, college football is changing yearly. Times are changing. No major programs are playing in city owned facilities. Temple and USF do but are making plans for OCS'.

What UofM has done and even gotten away with over the years by cutting corners in upgrades in the past won't work in the near future.

Otherwise we can start planning to downgrade to D2 level.

And I know Tiger Nation never wants to see that. Then we really would be "Tiger High".

The school is in the process of buying up land WEST of campus so they can expand the campus to highland. This is most commercial property and the expansion is to upgrade academics at the U of Memphis. The land east of campus is mostly residential and also has a large drainage ditch between the current campus and the park. Plus it will be located south of the tracks and not on the main campus. There would be too much development that would need to occur before it could be considered on campus.
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I haven't read through this entire thread so forgive me if this has already been stated, but I don't think that an on campus stadium will ever be feasible. I'd would rather see the city and investors come up with something amazing like a trolley line from the campus the Liberty Bowl that'll basically connect the school and midtown with the downtown area. Then not only offer all day free trolley rides on gameday from the the campus to the stadium but but make it free all over which could not only cut down on traffic congestion but it'll help promote businesses in both midtown and downtown. I for one would have no problem parking downtown or midtown then jumping on a trolley for a fun fan filled ride into and out of the Liberty Bowl area where I can get a nice meal and drink then heading home congestion free .04-cheers
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Yes, the LB does have a finite life. It has reached that end of life at least once already & had to be upgraded just to meet gov access stds at significant expense. And there have been other improvement paid for thru shared city/university/booster arrangements. I think the university has reached the end of it's willingness to fund improvements without receiving a larger share of the events related revenue. This was the apparent motivation to amend the working city/university agreement before last season. Going forward these end of life improvement extensions will get much more expensive, with both sides unwilling to shoulder the load. At that point (& university leadership already understands this even with their silence), plans will eventually emerge for a new stadium, likely to be located on or between the current campuses, owned by the university but also to be available for the LB event, SHC game, city functions in some sort of partnership between the university & the city (likely university ownership & management with the city backing - but not paying, rather issuing the needed construction bonds). The university would pay the bonds off using event related proceeds (parking, concessions, additional proceeds from private boxes, booster donations, gameday bookstore proceeds etc). It will happen eventually if our university continues to play D1 football. And will happen faster, the more successful the team is on the field.
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(08-23-2020 02:51 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(08-22-2020 04:06 AM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  
(08-21-2020 11:26 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I was a big proponent of an on campus stadium when the study was commissioned years ago, but I don't see it happening now. And the golf course is too far away, we need an on campus stadium to drive the connection between alumni and the university. It needs to actually be on campus if we are going to spend the money.

The LB seems to be holding up well. If they move the restrooms and ramps outside the footprint to open the west side up, and replace the press box, they can probably get 30 more years out of the old girl.

The South Campus is where all the new growth is. There will never be a Stadium on the main campus. The school is developing south with over 100 million in new additions. The golf course isn't to far away. It is right in the middle. Students travel around from the south to main campus daily now. In the next 10 years you will see a lot of more areas around park/getwell become part of the U of M. If done right the stadium would work there.

The infrastructure is just not there on the south campus to build an OCS. Traffic flow would be a total and complete fuster click after each game. Parking would be an issue as there would be no room for parking on the south campus once a OCS was built.

Just because a OCS' foot print would fit does not mean that building a stadium at a location is possible.

Finances might not work out.
But the parking/traffic flow excuse is nonsense.
Park, Getwell, Goodlett and Rhodes/Quince can support traffic flow just as well as Central, Southern, and E Parkway. Plus you are much closer to 240.
Parking would have to be established - just like with any new development. But there are plenty of options in under-utilized commercial and public property.
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how could Getwell/Park with easy interstate access via Getwell along with all the parking at the UofM south lots not provide adequate infrastructure? (that doesn't even include all the private owned lots that would LOVE to charge 10-20 bucks for parking spots, plus parking along streets in the Robin Hood area.)
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On campus proper makes the most sense. The parking infrastructure already exists. Access to Highland, Central, Poplar, and Southern seem just as viable as access at Audabon Park.

Tear down the past its life Field House and build it there.
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I would love to see an on-campus facility designed from the ground up to house marching band facilities and an amphitheater.

The football practice facilities will remain on South Campus. That leaves a lot of opportunities to utilize an on-campus facility if you plan it in from the beginning. The band could use that field regularly. It doesn't just sit there.

It would be a minimal cost increase to build-in a few full-size band rooms, some practice rooms, secure instrument storage, and properly sized egress. Ground level or underground would be perfect for these facilities.

What do you get for this? A few things.

First, it could easily become the finest marching band facility in the nation. It would easily be the finest in the south. Keeping the marching band contests here, showing the students the facilities, and luring quality staff would potentially make this the number one marching band draw in the area. Band kids mean drawing area students, and that means expanding the area influence of the school.

And, we have a new music school going up. Leverage it.

Having the damn band come pouring out of it for game day. Awesome. Having all their gear there would make it possible to do more things easier than ever before. And, it would enable the band to be totally integrated into the game-day production because all of that could now be coordinated and rehearsed.

Designing a proper entry/exit for the band could allow the band to physically lead the crowd into the turnstiles and into the stadium. There is a possibility there for something special. While you're at it, you make sure there's some consideration for Tom.

And now for the icing on the cake. Incorporate an outward facing amphitheater stage a story or two up from ground level. This could be used for drama department presentations, public speaking engagements, small concerts, pep rallies, pre-game bandstands etc. Productions from there would be handled by students in the performing arts curriculum.

There is no reason an on-campus facility can't address a number of things at the same time. There are other potential areas to exploit in deploying audio, video, and wireless technologies. It would be interesting to incorporate studies into large event technology and production into the school.

In the right hands, with an open outlook, a real on-campus stadium would be about so much more than football.

Dr. Rudd might be the man to actually see beyond the line of scrimmage.
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(08-23-2020 10:42 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(08-23-2020 02:51 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(08-22-2020 04:06 AM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  
(08-21-2020 11:26 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I was a big proponent of an on campus stadium when the study was commissioned years ago, but I don't see it happening now. And the golf course is too far away, we need an on campus stadium to drive the connection between alumni and the university. It needs to actually be on campus if we are going to spend the money.

The LB seems to be holding up well. If they move the restrooms and ramps outside the footprint to open the west side up, and replace the press box, they can probably get 30 more years out of the old girl.

The South Campus is where all the new growth is. There will never be a Stadium on the main campus. The school is developing south with over 100 million in new additions. The golf course isn't to far away. It is right in the middle. Students travel around from the south to main campus daily now. In the next 10 years you will see a lot of more areas around park/getwell become part of the U of M. If done right the stadium would work there.

The infrastructure is just not there on the south campus to build an OCS. Traffic flow would be a total and complete fuster click after each game. Parking would be an issue as there would be no room for parking on the south campus once a OCS was built.

Just because a OCS' foot print would fit does not mean that building a stadium at a location is possible.

Finances might not work out.
But the parking/traffic flow excuse is nonsense.
Park, Getwell, Goodlett and Rhodes/Quince can support traffic flow just as well as Central, Southern, and E Parkway. Plus you are much closer to 240.
Parking would have to be established - just like with any new development. But there are plenty of options in under-utilized commercial and public property.

Currently the LBS complex has 6 traffic exist from it's parking areas. And 4 streets for traffic to exit.

The South Campus has 2 exits and only 2 streets to hand the traffic.
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(08-23-2020 10:54 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  how could Getwell/Park with easy interstate access via Getwell along with all the parking at the UofM south lots not provide adequate infrastructure? (that doesn't even include all the private owned lots that would LOVE to charge 10-20 bucks for parking spots, plus parking along streets in the Robin Hood area.)

The building of the OCS would eliminate most of the south campus parking.You have commercial parking lots but those would be off limits for game parking. Very few residential spots where you can pay to park.
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(08-23-2020 07:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(08-23-2020 10:54 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  how could Getwell/Park with easy interstate access via Getwell along with all the parking at the UofM south lots not provide adequate infrastructure? (that doesn't even include all the private owned lots that would LOVE to charge 10-20 bucks for parking spots, plus parking along streets in the Robin Hood area.)

The building of the OCS would eliminate most of the south campus parking.You have commercial parking lots but those would be off limits for game parking. Very few residential spots where you can pay to park.

[Image: south-campus-parking.jpg]

you also have these lots where fans can walk/shuttle plus you know most of the private companies would LOVE to sell off parking spots at 20 bucks a spot for 3-4 hours on 6 dates per year.

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I prefer a near campus stadium to an on campus one. I prefer being able to enjoy an adult beverage before and during the game. Unlike games at the U of T knoxville and martin, and middle T in the bourgh, Tiger fans are treated like the responsible adults they are because we are not on a state campus but are in a city owned facility. I am afraid that for many more years the state of Tennessee will still be dominated politically by the backwood thumpers who would prefer to go completely dry.
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(08-23-2020 07:44 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(08-23-2020 10:42 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(08-23-2020 02:51 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(08-22-2020 04:06 AM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  
(08-21-2020 11:26 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I was a big proponent of an on campus stadium when the study was commissioned years ago, but I don't see it happening now. And the golf course is too far away, we need an on campus stadium to drive the connection between alumni and the university. It needs to actually be on campus if we are going to spend the money.

The LB seems to be holding up well. If they move the restrooms and ramps outside the footprint to open the west side up, and replace the press box, they can probably get 30 more years out of the old girl.

The South Campus is where all the new growth is. There will never be a Stadium on the main campus. The school is developing south with over 100 million in new additions. The golf course isn't to far away. It is right in the middle. Students travel around from the south to main campus daily now. In the next 10 years you will see a lot of more areas around park/getwell become part of the U of M. If done right the stadium would work there.

The infrastructure is just not there on the south campus to build an OCS. Traffic flow would be a total and complete fuster click after each game. Parking would be an issue as there would be no room for parking on the south campus once a OCS was built.

Just because a OCS' foot print would fit does not mean that building a stadium at a location is possible.

Finances might not work out.
But the parking/traffic flow excuse is nonsense.
Park, Getwell, Goodlett and Rhodes/Quince can support traffic flow just as well as Central, Southern, and E Parkway. Plus you are much closer to 240.
Parking would have to be established - just like with any new development. But there are plenty of options in under-utilized commercial and public property.

Currently the LBS complex has 6 traffic exist from it's parking areas. And 4 streets for traffic to exit.

The South Campus has 2 exits and only 2 streets to hand the traffic.

So you think no changes would be made for egress if they built a stadium? Come on, be real.
With a couple of new exits, Park, Getwell (and 240), Goodlett, and Rhodes/Quince can empty the lots at least as quickly as the current setup.
Parking will work out. There are plenty of under-utilized property already on South Campus and all along Park/Getwell.
Again, finances might not work out. But the traffic is a bad argument. Very minimal negative impact in the worst case. Much better in the best case.
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(08-22-2020 04:06 AM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  
(08-21-2020 11:26 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I was a big proponent of an on campus stadium when the study was commissioned years ago, but I don't see it happening now. And the golf course is too far away, we need an on campus stadium to drive the connection between alumni and the university. It needs to actually be on campus if we are going to spend the money.

The LB seems to be holding up well. If they move the restrooms and ramps outside the footprint to open the west side up, and replace the press box, they can probably get 30 more years out of the old girl.

The South Campus is where all the new growth is. There will never be a Stadium on the main campus. The school is developing south with over 100 million in new additions. The golf course isn't to far away. It is right in the middle. Students travel around from the south to main campus daily now. In the next 10 years you will see a lot of more areas around park/getwell become part of the U of M. If done right the stadium would work there.

Why will there never be a stadium on the main campus?

The Kennedy Complex is too far away. How many students attend baseball and softball games there? There is a significant difference between walking and driving for students who live on or near campus.

Shoehorn a stadium into the main campus, just like Cincinnati's is, Georgia Tech's is, UPenn, etc. Go look at Cincinnati's stadium on Google Earth.
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(08-24-2020 12:04 PM)micman Wrote:  
(08-22-2020 04:06 AM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  
(08-21-2020 11:26 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I was a big proponent of an on campus stadium when the study was commissioned years ago, but I don't see it happening now. And the golf course is too far away, we need an on campus stadium to drive the connection between alumni and the university. It needs to actually be on campus if we are going to spend the money.

The LB seems to be holding up well. If they move the restrooms and ramps outside the footprint to open the west side up, and replace the press box, they can probably get 30 more years out of the old girl.

The South Campus is where all the new growth is. There will never be a Stadium on the main campus. The school is developing south with over 100 million in new additions. The golf course isn't to far away. It is right in the middle. Students travel around from the south to main campus daily now. In the next 10 years you will see a lot of more areas around park/getwell become part of the U of M. If done right the stadium would work there.

Why will there never be a stadium on the main campus?

The Kennedy Complex is too far away. How many students attend baseball and softball games there? There is a significant difference between walking and driving for students who live on or near campus.

Shoehorn a stadium into the main campus, just like Cincinnati's is, Georgia Tech's is, UPenn, etc. Go look at Cincinnati's stadium on Google Earth.

That stadium is over 100 yrs old. I don’t think it was shoehorned in when it was built. With all the growth around it, it would be quite a feat to build it in that location today.
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(08-23-2020 07:44 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(08-23-2020 10:42 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(08-23-2020 02:51 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(08-22-2020 04:06 AM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  
(08-21-2020 11:26 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I was a big proponent of an on campus stadium when the study was commissioned years ago, but I don't see it happening now. And the golf course is too far away, we need an on campus stadium to drive the connection between alumni and the university. It needs to actually be on campus if we are going to spend the money.

The LB seems to be holding up well. If they move the restrooms and ramps outside the footprint to open the west side up, and replace the press box, they can probably get 30 more years out of the old girl.

The South Campus is where all the new growth is. There will never be a Stadium on the main campus. The school is developing south with over 100 million in new additions. The golf course isn't to far away. It is right in the middle. Students travel around from the south to main campus daily now. In the next 10 years you will see a lot of more areas around park/getwell become part of the U of M. If done right the stadium would work there.

The infrastructure is just not there on the south campus to build an OCS. Traffic flow would be a total and complete fuster click after each game. Parking would be an issue as there would be no room for parking on the south campus once a OCS was built.

Just because a OCS' foot print would fit does not mean that building a stadium at a location is possible.

Finances might not work out.
But the parking/traffic flow excuse is nonsense.
Park, Getwell, Goodlett and Rhodes/Quince can support traffic flow just as well as Central, Southern, and E Parkway. Plus you are much closer to 240.
Parking would have to be established - just like with any new development. But there are plenty of options in under-utilized commercial and public property.

Currently the LBS complex has 6 traffic exist from it's parking areas. And 4 streets for traffic to exit.

The South Campus has 2 exits and only 2 streets to hand the traffic.

Have you ever been to a game at UGA, AL, Auburn, UF, UTK, OM, etc, etc. They'd love to have two major access roads to their stadiums - all of those schools consistently draw bigger crowds than we'd see.
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(08-23-2020 11:06 AM)micman Wrote:  On campus proper makes the most sense. The parking infrastructure already exists. Access to Highland, Central, Poplar, and Southern seem just as viable as access at Audabon Park.

Tear down the past its life Field House and build it there.

Field House is currently closed for some pretty big renovations.
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RE: Within next 10 years Memphis will have an on campus stadium
(08-23-2020 09:07 PM)Keeper Wrote:  I prefer a near campus stadium to an on campus one. I prefer being able to enjoy an adult beverage before and during the game.

That possibly won't be an issue much longer. Rudd doesn't care as much about the "dry campus" rules, & it's not up to the state to determine, from what I understand.
However, that also doesn't mean they're going to provide space on the main campus for an OCS, anyway.
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08-25-2020 11:40 AM
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RE: Within next 10 years Memphis will have an on campus stadium
Tigergreen gets it.

Some of you never will.
08-25-2020 11:44 AM
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