(08-22-2020 02:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  yes, remember when you vote that Mayors Strickland/Harris and Dr Jain at the Health Dept made it possible for the Tigers to have a football season SAFELY while MWC/MAC/B1G all sit at home.

And in the same state

Football is being played at 25% capacity

While memphis is at 8% capacity

Don’t toot their horn too loud

(08-22-2020 03:36 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 02:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  yes, remember when you vote that Mayors Strickland/Harris and Dr Jain at the Health Dept made it possible for the Tigers to have a football season SAFELY while MWC/MAC/B1G all sit at home.

And in the same state

Football is being played at 25% capacity

While memphis is at 8% capacity

Don’t toot their horn too loud

Actually the governor & state health board could overrule the county board, saying they want a consistent application of caution statewide. Wonder if it's been attempted?

(08-21-2020 03:10 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 02:32 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  REPUBLICAN MARK LUTTRELL?

Say it ain't so, Joe!

That's true but she works for Lee Harris now (D)

Say it’s so Joe.

(08-21-2020 05:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 11:12 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 08:59 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:17 AM)gusrob Wrote:  Remember this when you vote. Your city and county elected officials matter.

In my opinion, the majority of this group of current city council members are nothing more than a bunch of humpty dumpty dumb @$$e$ who don't know up from down, and how they got elected is beyond me.

Problem is, it's the health department. They are not elected. they are appointed/hired. Can't vote 'em out. What elected official is responsible for them? The Mayor? How long have they been in power?

Understand the county health department sets the rules BUT I would think the state board of health could step in via the governor & overrule the county to confirm a uniform std is in place statewide. This was done in GA when Atlanta mayor attempted to establish rules more restrictive than state guidelines.

The four largest Tn. cities have what is known as Home Rule, so I don't believe the State can touch us in that regard.

(08-22-2020 09:33 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 05:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 11:12 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 08:59 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 07:17 AM)gusrob Wrote:  Remember this when you vote. Your city and county elected officials matter.

In my opinion, the majority of this group of current city council members are nothing more than a bunch of humpty dumpty dumb @$$e$ who don't know up from down, and how they got elected is beyond me.

Problem is, it's the health department. They are not elected. they are appointed/hired. Can't vote 'em out. What elected official is responsible for them? The Mayor? How long have they been in power?

Understand the county health department sets the rules BUT I would think the state board of health could step in via the governor & overrule authoritythe county to confirm a uniform std is in place statewide. This was done in GA when Atlanta mayor attempted to establish rules more restrictive than state guideli nes. The

The four largest Tn. cities have what is known as Home Rule, so I don't believe the State can touch us in that regard.

Typically & routinely, the state would not want to intervene as they have delegated that authority to the county board (not the cities).But the authority has been delegated not surrendered & the state is pre-eminent in such matters & the governor has the authority to intervene.

(08-22-2020 10:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 09:33 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 05:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 11:12 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 08:59 AM)wylioats Wrote:  [/b]

In my opinion, the majority of this group of current city council members are nothing more than a bunch of humpty dumpty dumb @$$e$ who don't know up from down, and how they got elected is beyond me.

Problem is, it's the health department. They are not elected. they are appointed/hired. Can't vote 'em out. What elected official is responsible for them? The Mayor? How long have they been in power?

Understand the county health department sets the rules BUT I would think the state board of health could step in via the governor & overrule authoritythe county to confirm a uniform std is in place statewide. This was done in GA when Atlanta mayor attempted to establish rules more restrictive than state guideli nes. The

The four largest Tn. cities have what is known as Home Rule, so I don't believe the State can touch us in that regard.

Typically & routinely, the state would not want to intervene as they have delegated that authority to the county board (not the cities).But the authority has been delegated not surrendered & the state is pre-eminent in such matters & the governor has the authority to intervene.

The Governor has nothing to gain from intervening...

He can essentially play both sides by leaving it to the counties.

(08-22-2020 10:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 09:33 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 05:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 11:12 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 08:59 AM)wylioats Wrote:  [/b]

In my opinion, the majority of this group of current city council members are nothing more than a bunch of humpty dumpty dumb @$$e$ who don't know up from down, and how they got elected is beyond me.

Problem is, it's the health department. They are not elected. they are appointed/hired. Can't vote 'em out. What elected official is responsible for them? The Mayor? How long have they been in power?

Understand the county health department sets the rules BUT I would think the state board of health could step in via the governor & overrule authoritythe county to confirm a uniform std is in place statewide. This was done in GA when Atlanta mayor attempted to establish rules more restrictive than state guideli nes. The

The four largest Tn. cities have what is known as Home Rule, so I don't believe the State can touch us in that regard.

Typically & routinely, the state would not want to intervene as they have delegated that authority to the county board (not the cities).But the authority has been delegated not surrendered & the state is pre-eminent in such matters & the governor has the authority to intervene.

I don’t see him intervening since we have been set up like this since the start of the pandemic. The Titans or Nashville SC can’t have any fans in Nissan Stadium through at least September. As the Governor, he’s probably just happy with fact that football will be played in the state.

Not sure about Vandy and what their capacity will be. Then again, they don’t have any fans.


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(08-23-2020 09:01 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 10:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 09:33 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 05:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 11:12 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Problem is, it's the health department. They are not elected. they are appointed/hired. Can't vote 'em out. What elected official is responsible for them? The Mayor? How long have they been in power?

Understand the county health department sets the rules BUT I would think the state board of health could step in via the governor & overrule authoritythe county to confirm a uniform std is in place statewide. This was done in GA when Atlanta mayor attempted to establish rules more restrictive than state guideli nes. The

The four largest Tn. cities have what is known as Home Rule, so I don't believe the State can touch us in that regard.

Typically & routinely, the state would not want to intervene as they have delegated that authority to the county board (not the cities).But the authority has been delegated not surrendered & the state is pre-eminent in such matters & the governor has the authority to intervene.

The Governor has nothing to gain from intervening...

He can essentially play both sides by leaving it to the counties.

Governors have intervened and overruled local health depts in various states across the country. Both R and D. It's just that Lee truly believes in local governance in appropriate situations. His track record supports this. (Spoiler: Despite all his bluster and the noise in the media, Trump does too.)

I actually wish he would reclaim some authority over the local boards, but he won't do it.

(08-22-2020 03:36 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 02:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  yes, remember when you vote that Mayors Strickland/Harris and Dr Jain at the Health Dept made it possible for the Tigers to have a football season SAFELY while MWC/MAC/B1G all sit at home.

And in the same state

Football is being played at 25% capacity

While memphis is at 8% capacity

Don’t toot their horn too loud

Yep.
UTK will have 25k in attendance.
Memphis will have 4,500.
It's actually a microcosm of - not only collegiate athletics, but - the economic impact of local leadership throughout our state.

(08-23-2020 10:53 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 03:36 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 02:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  yes, remember when you vote that Mayors Strickland/Harris and Dr Jain at the Health Dept made it possible for the Tigers to have a football season SAFELY while MWC/MAC/B1G all sit at home.

And in the same state

Football is being played at 25% capacity

While memphis is at 8% capacity

Don’t toot their horn too loud

Yep.
UTK will have 25k in attendance.
Memphis will have 4,500.
It's actually a microcosm of - not only collegiate athletics, but - the economic impact of local leadership throughout our state.

they have a 100k stadium while ours hold 58k...they own their stadium, we rent ours from a city that has a health department.

totally different animals

(08-23-2020 10:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 10:53 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 03:36 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 02:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  yes, remember when you vote that Mayors Strickland/Harris and Dr Jain at the Health Dept made it possible for the Tigers to have a football season SAFELY while MWC/MAC/B1G all sit at home.

And in the same state

Football is being played at 25% capacity

While memphis is at 8% capacity

Don’t toot their horn too loud

Yep.
UTK will have 25k in attendance.
Memphis will have 4,500.
It's actually a microcosm of - not only collegiate athletics, but - the economic impact of local leadership throughout our state.

they have a 100k stadium while ours hold 58k...they own their stadium, we rent ours from a city that has a health department.

totally different animals

25% vs 8%. That is the number you're ignoring.
Knox also has a health dept.
It's ridiculous.

(08-23-2020 11:05 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 10:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 10:53 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 03:36 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 02:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  yes, remember when you vote that Mayors Strickland/Harris and Dr Jain at the Health Dept made it possible for the Tigers to have a football season SAFELY while MWC/MAC/B1G all sit at home.

And in the same state

Football is being played at 25% capacity

While memphis is at 8% capacity

Don’t toot their horn too loud

Yep.
UTK will have 25k in attendance.
Memphis will have 4,500.
It's actually a microcosm of - not only collegiate athletics, but - the economic impact of local leadership throughout our state.

they have a 100k stadium while ours hold 58k...they own their stadium, we rent ours from a city that has a health department.

totally different animals

25% vs 8%. That is the number you're ignoring.
Knox also has a health dept.
It's ridiculous.

doesn't matter as UTK owns their stadium...go ask the MAC and MWC teams about ridiculous. as in 8% > 0% that's some of that math they taught me at the UofM!

(08-22-2020 01:59 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 12:42 PM)tigerengineer Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 10:52 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Briacrest trying something different...

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...620007002/

Asking the media not to come to their game...That is just going to make want to show up even more.

Other than the fact these are Collierville's rules and not Briarcrest's, good catch.

If they only have so many seats available, who should get priority - students and families or media members?

I think it was more of a ban...As in Media is not welcome on the property...Even outside the stadium. Seems they just didn't want media there to report on the situation.

Reporting on what situation? Everyone knew the game was being played. Protocols were in place. AND IT WAS LIVESTREAMED.

There were controls in place to enter the property - and they applied to everyone. If you didn't have a limited issued ticket voucher, no entrance. And it's according to health guidance that this is in place. Just like the county will have controls in place to prevent tailgating at Tigers games.

Seems that Calkins and others in the media have been a-okay with handing over OUR civil liberties in the name of the pandemic. (Shut em down. Tell them where they can go, who they can see, and how they have to do it. Close their churches. Shut down their streets. Close their businesses. Arrest them.) But when the first little thing (1 HS football game, THAT WAS LIVESTREAMED) steps on THEIR toes they cry, cry, cry.

(08-23-2020 11:23 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 01:59 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 12:42 PM)tigerengineer Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 10:52 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Briacrest trying something different...

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...620007002/

Asking the media not to come to their game...That is just going to make want to show up even more.

Other than the fact these are Collierville's rules and not Briarcrest's, good catch.

If they only have so many seats available, who should get priority - students and families or media members?

I think it was more of a ban...As in Media is not welcome on the property...Even outside the stadium. Seems they just didn't want media there to report on the situation.

Reporting on what situation? Everyone knew the game was being played. Protocols were in place. AND IT WAS LIVESTREAMED.

There were controls in place to enter the property - and they applied to everyone. If you didn't have a limited issued ticket voucher, no entrance. And it's according to health guidance that this is in place. Just like the county will have controls in place to prevent tailgating at Tigers games.

Seems that Calkins and others in the media have been a-okay with handing over OUR civil liberties in the name of the pandemic. But when the first little thing (1 HS football game, THAT WAS LIVESTREAMED) steps on THEIR toes they cry, cry, cry.

um, there's a reason the 1st Amendment comes first...Freedom of the press is paramount in any free society.

(08-23-2020 11:12 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:05 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 10:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 10:53 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 03:36 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  And in the same state

Football is being played at 25% capacity

While memphis is at 8% capacity

Don’t toot their horn too loud

Yep.
UTK will have 25k in attendance.
Memphis will have 4,500.
It's actually a microcosm of - not only collegiate athletics, but - the economic impact of local leadership throughout our state.

they have a 100k stadium while ours hold 58k...they own their stadium, we rent ours from a city that has a health department.

totally different animals

25% vs 8%. That is the number you're ignoring.
Knox also has a health dept.
It's ridiculous.

doesn't matter as UTK owns their stadium...go ask the MAC and MWC teams about ridiculous. as in 8% > 0% that's some of that math they taught me at the UofM!

Straw man, that ain't an argument. The MWC and the MAC doesn't apply in Tennessee. I mean if you want to be thankful we're the AAC instead of the MAC - knock yourself out. I am too. That has nothing to do with county guidelines though.

And it doesn't matter who owns the stadium. (Ask 901 FC.) County rules on anyone's stadium in Shelby or Knox counties. Knox says 6-ft is enough. Shelby created a new standard of 12-ft. Shelby Co is over-stepping.

(08-23-2020 11:24 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:23 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 01:59 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 12:42 PM)tigerengineer Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 10:52 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Briacrest trying something different...

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...620007002/

Asking the media not to come to their game...That is just going to make want to show up even more.

Other than the fact these are Collierville's rules and not Briarcrest's, good catch.

If they only have so many seats available, who should get priority - students and families or media members?

I think it was more of a ban...As in Media is not welcome on the property...Even outside the stadium. Seems they just didn't want media there to report on the situation.

Reporting on what situation? Everyone knew the game was being played. Protocols were in place. AND IT WAS LIVESTREAMED.

There were controls in place to enter the property - and they applied to everyone. If you didn't have a limited issued ticket voucher, no entrance. And it's according to health guidance that this is in place. Just like the county will have controls in place to prevent tailgating at Tigers games.

Seems that Calkins and others in the media have been a-okay with handing over OUR civil liberties in the name of the pandemic. But when the first little thing (1 HS football game, THAT WAS LIVESTREAMED) steps on THEIR toes they cry, cry, cry.

um, there's a reason the 1st Amendment comes first...Freedom of the press is paramount in any free society.

wow
So amendments are to be prioritized? 1st is more important than the 13th, 15th, and 19th?
And what of the freedom of religion and of assembly (also in the 1st)?

(08-23-2020 11:36 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:24 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:23 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 01:59 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 12:42 PM)tigerengineer Wrote:  Other than the fact these are Collierville's rules and not Briarcrest's, good catch.

If they only have so many seats available, who should get priority - students and families or media members?

I think it was more of a ban...As in Media is not welcome on the property...Even outside the stadium. Seems they just didn't want media there to report on the situation.

Reporting on what situation? Everyone knew the game was being played. Protocols were in place. AND IT WAS LIVESTREAMED.

There were controls in place to enter the property - and they applied to everyone. If you didn't have a limited issued ticket voucher, no entrance. And it's according to health guidance that this is in place. Just like the county will have controls in place to prevent tailgating at Tigers games.

Seems that Calkins and others in the media have been a-okay with handing over OUR civil liberties in the name of the pandemic. But when the first little thing (1 HS football game, THAT WAS LIVESTREAMED) steps on THEIR toes they cry, cry, cry.

um, there's a reason the 1st Amendment comes first...Freedom of the press is paramount in any free society.

wow
So amendments are to be prioritized? 1st is more important than the 13th, 15th, and 19th?
And what of the freedom of religion and of assembly (also in the 1st)?

well, they didn't randomly put it first...you can be of whatever religion you like in America, and here soon 4,500 Tiger fans will 'assemble' for a football game so I don't see how they're being infringed...denying the press any access is an infringement of the freedom of the press IMHO.

(08-23-2020 11:44 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:36 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:24 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:23 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-22-2020 01:59 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I think it was more of a ban...As in Media is not welcome on the property...Even outside the stadium. Seems they just didn't want media there to report on the situation.

Reporting on what situation? Everyone knew the game was being played. Protocols were in place. AND IT WAS LIVESTREAMED.

There were controls in place to enter the property - and they applied to everyone. If you didn't have a limited issued ticket voucher, no entrance. And it's according to health guidance that this is in place. Just like the county will have controls in place to prevent tailgating at Tigers games.

Seems that Calkins and others in the media have been a-okay with handing over OUR civil liberties in the name of the pandemic. But when the first little thing (1 HS football game, THAT WAS LIVESTREAMED) steps on THEIR toes they cry, cry, cry.

um, there's a reason the 1st Amendment comes first...Freedom of the press is paramount in any free society.

wow
So amendments are to be prioritized? 1st is more important than the 13th, 15th, and 19th?
And what of the freedom of religion and of assembly (also in the 1st)?

well, they didn't randomly put it first...you can be of whatever religion you like in America, and here soon 4,500 Tiger fans will 'assemble' for a football game so I don't see how they're being infringed...denying the press any access is an infringement of the freedom of the press IMHO.

Harken back to my initial comparison and quit creating strawmen.
The point was that Calkins (along with other media) has supported the reduction in civil liberties throughout the pandemic. Churches were closed, lest you forget. That is a direct infringement on the 1st amendment. He openly applauded the church shutdown and thought people who violated this should be put in jail. He and GP publicly stated this on their podcasts - frequently.

In this case, the pandemic and the SCHD forced tight controls on how many were allowed on the property for a livestreamed football game. All of a sudden, the 1st amendment is a thing again.

(08-23-2020 11:51 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:44 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:36 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:24 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:23 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Reporting on what situation? Everyone knew the game was being played. Protocols were in place. AND IT WAS LIVESTREAMED.

There were controls in place to enter the property - and they applied to everyone. If you didn't have a limited issued ticket voucher, no entrance. And it's according to health guidance that this is in place. Just like the county will have controls in place to prevent tailgating at Tigers games.

Seems that Calkins and others in the media have been a-okay with handing over OUR civil liberties in the name of the pandemic. But when the first little thing (1 HS football game, THAT WAS LIVESTREAMED) steps on THEIR toes they cry, cry, cry.

um, there's a reason the 1st Amendment comes first...Freedom of the press is paramount in any free society.

wow
So amendments are to be prioritized? 1st is more important than the 13th, 15th, and 19th?
And what of the freedom of religion and of assembly (also in the 1st)?

well, they didn't randomly put it first...you can be of whatever religion you like in America, and here soon 4,500 Tiger fans will 'assemble' for a football game so I don't see how they're being infringed...denying the press any access is an infringement of the freedom of the press IMHO.

Harken back to my initial comparison and quit creating strawmen.
The point was that Calkins (along with other media) has supported the reduction in civil liberties throughout the pandemic. Churches were closed, lest you forget. That is a direct infringement on the 1st amendment.

In this case, the pandemic and the SCHD forced tight controls on how many were allowed on the property. All of a sudden, the 1st amendment is a thing again.

again, during a declared emergency steps should be taken of course but there is a middle ground between acting like nothing is wrong and a blanket press ban that is begging for their attention. It'll only create more bad press by not allowing the press...

(08-23-2020 11:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:51 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:44 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:36 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-23-2020 11:24 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  um, there's a reason the 1st Amendment comes first...Freedom of the press is paramount in any free society.

wow
So amendments are to be prioritized? 1st is more important than the 13th, 15th, and 19th?
And what of the freedom of religion and of assembly (also in the 1st)?

well, they didn't randomly put it first...you can be of whatever religion you like in America, and here soon 4,500 Tiger fans will 'assemble' for a football game so I don't see how they're being infringed...denying the press any access is an infringement of the freedom of the press IMHO.

Harken back to my initial comparison and quit creating strawmen.
The point was that Calkins (along with other media) has supported the reduction in civil liberties throughout the pandemic. Churches were closed, lest you forget. That is a direct infringement on the 1st amendment.

In this case, the pandemic and the SCHD forced tight controls on how many were allowed on the property. All of a sudden, the 1st amendment is a thing again.

again, during a declared emergency steps should be taken of course but there is a middle ground between acting like nothing is wrong and a blanket press ban that is begging for their attention. It'll only create more bad press by not allowing the press...

Got it.
1st amendment infringement okay when it impacts the people; not okay when it impacts the media.
So we agree that Calkins and the others are hypocritical on this, and that people thinking this way don't really care about the 1st amendment.