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RE: Football is currently under the 12 foot regulation
(08-20-2020 06:05 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  Question - if masks work, and we’re required to wear masks during the game to help prevent the spread, then why does it matter that we’re 12 feet apart when yelling? I’ve never understood that logic.

“Masks” prevent droplets from spreading. So you’re telling me if I yell in a mask, the droplet magically disperses 11ft 11in (which I thought masks were the ultimate preventative and impenetrable), but if I just breathe in a mask it’s contained? It took some really intelligent docs to come up with this backward logic...

Lots of variables. Different kinds of masks have varying effects. What is known is wearing a mask reduces risk. If I wear a mask and you don’t I reduce your risk by 50%. If we both wear a mask then our risk is reduced by 75%. It might actually be 72% or 79%. Not a reason to quibble.

As to the distance it has to do with what you are doing. In casual situations walking by someone or talking casually 6ft is generally safe with everyone wearing masks. But if you are screaming you lessen the effects of the masks, droplets can travel greater distance and risk increases.

So it is science and logic. It’s never been 100% and it’s never been impenetrable. My resistance is different from yours. My contributing risk factors are different from yours. My age matters. My pre-existing conditions matter. My weight matters. My blood type may matter.

You want guarantees. Lock yourself in a safe for the next 6 months. Just don’t be one of those people spreads confusion rather than be part of the solution.

C-19 is a new disease strain. It is a mutation. We don’t know everything about it short-term or long. We may not find a cure. There many we can’t cure. We can learn how to treat it and we can build immunity, maybe annually like a flu vaccine.

The world population grows and the world shrinks bring us closer together in a shorter period of travel time. Pandemics will grow in numbers and intensity.
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It sucks, but just live with it for this one year. Hell, right now, our first game might be on ******* ABC
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(08-20-2020 10:16 PM)fsquid Wrote:  It sucks, but just live with it for this one year. Hell, right now, our first game might be on ******* ABC

As of yesterday we were on ABC for 4 of their main games unless something changed.
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I'm hoping that this 6ft/12ft policy is NOT going to be the norm in the future.
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(08-20-2020 07:17 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  901FC matches at AutoZone have strict attendance policies (such as wearing masks while seated) and they have increased staff to police it.

But according to a friend who's been to a match there, the fans are mostly compliant and polite because they're adults.

Not children like some.

Adults can think for themselves. Children blindly follow orders. Masks don't work. There have been studies on the topic since 1946, with labs and scientists and control groups and the whole nine yards. They were testing for influenza. Here's a note: Covid particles are SMALLER than influenza. Science!

This is about control, not your health.
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(08-20-2020 09:08 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 06:05 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  Question - if masks work, and we’re required to wear masks during the game to help prevent the spread, then why does it matter that we’re 12 feet apart when yelling? I’ve never understood that logic.

“Masks” prevent droplets from spreading. So you’re telling me if I yell in a mask, the droplet magically disperses 11ft 11in (which I thought masks were the ultimate preventative and impenetrable), but if I just breathe in a mask it’s contained? It took some really intelligent docs to come up with this backward logic...

Lots of variables. Different kinds of masks have varying effects. What is known is wearing a mask reduces risk. If I wear a mask and you don’t I reduce your risk by 50%. If we both wear a mask then our risk is reduced by 75%. It might actually be 72% or 79%. Not a reason to quibble.

As to the distance it has to do with what you are doing. In casual situations walking by someone or talking casually 6ft is generally safe with everyone wearing masks. But if you are screaming you lessen the effects of the masks, droplets can travel greater distance and risk increases.

So it is science and logic. It’s never been 100% and it’s never been impenetrable. My resistance is different from yours. My contributing risk factors are different from yours. My age matters. My pre-existing conditions matter. My weight matters. My blood type may matter.

You want guarantees. Lock yourself in a safe for the next 6 months. Just don’t be one of those people spreads confusion rather than be part of the solution.

C-19 is a new disease strain. It is a mutation. We don’t know everything about it short-term or long. We may not find a cure. There many we can’t cure. We can learn how to treat it and we can build immunity, maybe annually like a flu vaccine.

The world population grows and the world shrinks bring us closer together in a shorter period of travel time. Pandemics will grow in numbers and intensity.

There is no science whatsoever that shows a mask stops COVID particles. If you have one ( a lab-tested experiment with control groups, performed by scientists), please provide.
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(08-21-2020 09:34 AM)tigerdave84701112 Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 09:08 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 06:05 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  Question - if masks work, and we’re required to wear masks during the game to help prevent the spread, then why does it matter that we’re 12 feet apart when yelling? I’ve never understood that logic.

“Masks” prevent droplets from spreading. So you’re telling me if I yell in a mask, the droplet magically disperses 11ft 11in (which I thought masks were the ultimate preventative and impenetrable), but if I just breathe in a mask it’s contained? It took some really intelligent docs to come up with this backward logic...

Lots of variables. Different kinds of masks have varying effects. What is known is wearing a mask reduces risk. If I wear a mask and you don’t I reduce your risk by 50%. If we both wear a mask then our risk is reduced by 75%. It might actually be 72% or 79%. Not a reason to quibble.

As to the distance it has to do with what you are doing. In casual situations walking by someone or talking casually 6ft is generally safe with everyone wearing masks. But if you are screaming you lessen the effects of the masks, droplets can travel greater distance and risk increases.

So it is science and logic. It’s never been 100% and it’s never been impenetrable. My resistance is different from yours. My contributing risk factors are different from yours. My age matters. My pre-existing conditions matter. My weight matters. My blood type may matter.

You want guarantees. Lock yourself in a safe for the next 6 months. Just don’t be one of those people spreads confusion rather than be part of the solution.

C-19 is a new disease strain. It is a mutation. We don’t know everything about it short-term or long. We may not find a cure. There many we can’t cure. We can learn how to treat it and we can build immunity, maybe annually like a flu vaccine.

The world population grows and the world shrinks bring us closer together in a shorter period of travel time. Pandemics will grow in numbers and intensity.

There is no science whatsoever that shows a mask stops COVID particles. If you have one ( a lab-tested experiment with control groups, performed by scientists), please provide.

The masks are NOT designed to stop a little tiny virus from getting out, but the virus is carried in respiratory aerosols. The masks stop the aerosols, they stop the virus.

Here are 2 studies... The second one is ridiculously in-depth:
https://healthcare-in-europe.com/en/news...d-19.html#

https://www.nfhs.org/media/4119369/aeros...pdated.pdf
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(08-21-2020 09:31 AM)tigerdave84701112 Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 07:17 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  901FC matches at AutoZone have strict attendance policies (such as wearing masks while seated) and they have increased staff to police it.

But according to a friend who's been to a match there, the fans are mostly compliant and polite because they're adults.

Not children like some.

Adults can think for themselves. Children blindly follow orders. Masks don't work. There have been studies on the topic since 1946, with labs and scientists and control groups and the whole nine yards. They were testing for influenza. Here's a note: Covid particles are SMALLER than influenza. Science!

This is about control, not your health.


Soooo....basically every health expert says masks work. Not a failsafe but it does help. Whose trying to control who? It’s a pandemic. Do you think any of us want to wear a mask? No, but if it helps people from not getting sick and slows the spread, then who cares.


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The sky is falling ... The sky is falling .... AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH ... Jesus people ... wear masks, wash your hands and STFU ...
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(08-20-2020 05:52 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  A new normal

Just like after 911

I remember being able to run thru an airport and jump on a plane

I remember being able to smoke at work
And have a bunch of alcohol drinks at lunch

one of the perks of working from home.

It's 2020 and I still have never purchased a cell phone (but my co assigns me one).
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In Mississippi, Governor Tate Reeves doesn't even require a mask once you are seated in your socially distant seat at the games.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ll-seasons
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(08-21-2020 02:14 AM)griffin Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 10:16 PM)fsquid Wrote:  It sucks, but just live with it for this one year. Hell, right now, our first game might be on ******* ABC

As of yesterday we were on ABC for 4 of their main games unless something changed.

Makes sense since ABC is PAC 12, Big 10, and Big 12.
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(08-21-2020 09:43 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  
(08-21-2020 09:34 AM)tigerdave84701112 Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 09:08 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 06:05 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  Question - if masks work, and we’re required to wear masks during the game to help prevent the spread, then why does it matter that we’re 12 feet apart when yelling? I’ve never understood that logic.

“Masks” prevent droplets from spreading. So you’re telling me if I yell in a mask, the droplet magically disperses 11ft 11in (which I thought masks were the ultimate preventative and impenetrable), but if I just breathe in a mask it’s contained? It took some really intelligent docs to come up with this backward logic...

Lots of variables. Different kinds of masks have varying effects. What is known is wearing a mask reduces risk. If I wear a mask and you don’t I reduce your risk by 50%. If we both wear a mask then our risk is reduced by 75%. It might actually be 72% or 79%. Not a reason to quibble.

As to the distance it has to do with what you are doing. In casual situations walking by someone or talking casually 6ft is generally safe with everyone wearing masks. But if you are screaming you lessen the effects of the masks, droplets can travel greater distance and risk increases.

So it is science and logic. It’s never been 100% and it’s never been impenetrable. My resistance is different from yours. My contributing risk factors are different from yours. My age matters. My pre-existing conditions matter. My weight matters. My blood type may matter.

You want guarantees. Lock yourself in a safe for the next 6 months. Just don’t be one of those people spreads confusion rather than be part of the solution.

C-19 is a new disease strain. It is a mutation. We don’t know everything about it short-term or long. We may not find a cure. There many we can’t cure. We can learn how to treat it and we can build immunity, maybe annually like a flu vaccine.

The world population grows and the world shrinks bring us closer together in a shorter period of travel time. Pandemics will grow in numbers and intensity.

There is no science whatsoever that shows a mask stops COVID particles. If you have one ( a lab-tested experiment with control groups, performed by scientists), please provide.

The masks are designed to stop a little tiny virus from getting out, but the virus is carried in respiratory aerosols. The masks stop the aerosols, they stop the virus.

Here are 2 studies... The second one is ridiculously in-depth:
https://healthcare-in-europe.com/en/news...d-19.html#

https://www.nfhs.org/media/4119369/aeros...pdated.pdf

Don’t bother trying to reason with an someone like this. They just drag you down to their level and then use their experience there as an advantage.
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I meant to say the masks are NOT designed to stop a tiny virus from getting out. Every time I mention to people that the masks are designed to stop the aerosols, not a single virus floating in the air, people just pretend like they didn't hear it.

Masks not working and someone not understanding how masks do work is not the same thing.
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(08-20-2020 03:04 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 02:52 PM)rc0213 Wrote:  So, what does it take to be 6-ft or 12-ft?

What will it take to be 6-ft?

It's entirely up to the Shelby County Health Department. They set up "trip wires" that trigger the 12 foot rule. Here's what has to happen to go back to 6.

- New cases over a 1-week period averaging less than 75 per day based upon date of testing
- Continued downward trend line for 2 consecutive weeks
- Rate of new cases decreasing by >= 30% per week over 4 consecutive weeks
- Reproductive Rate <= 1.0
- Positivity Rate <= 5%
Source: https://insight.livestories.com/s/v2/cov...99a7c60d7f

Quote:Outdoor sporting events that involve the likelihood that visitors will engage in increased vocalization, such as yelling, cheering, singing, or speaking loudly, must be separated at least 12 feet apart and must wear face coverings consistent with the Face Mask Directive. Family units/groups of up to six people may sit together, but no member of one group can be within 12 feet of any member of another group.

We'd do better having all of them removed from their positions that waiting until those guidelines are met.

We have not met those conditions since this whole thing started and they began publishing numbers.
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(08-21-2020 03:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 03:04 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 02:52 PM)rc0213 Wrote:  So, what does it take to be 6-ft or 12-ft?

What will it take to be 6-ft?

It's entirely up to the Shelby County Health Department. They set up "trip wires" that trigger the 12 foot rule. Here's what has to happen to go back to 6.

- New cases over a 1-week period averaging less than 75 per day based upon date of testing
- Continued downward trend line for 2 consecutive weeks
- Rate of new cases decreasing by >= 30% per week over 4 consecutive weeks
- Reproductive Rate <= 1.0
- Positivity Rate <= 5%
Source: https://insight.livestories.com/s/v2/cov...99a7c60d7f

Quote:Outdoor sporting events that involve the likelihood that visitors will engage in increased vocalization, such as yelling, cheering, singing, or speaking loudly, must be separated at least 12 feet apart and must wear face coverings consistent with the Face Mask Directive. Family units/groups of up to six people may sit together, but no member of one group can be within 12 feet of any member of another group.

We'd do better having all of them removed from their positions that waiting until those guidelines are met.

We have not met those conditions since this whole thing started and they began publishing numbers.

I agree. It's unattainable. They need to relax those requirements.
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Everybody listen to Steves,
The Dude knows what he's talking about however, Ike would like to add
Carry a container of hand SANITIZER in your pocket and periodically give yourself a squirt
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No one seems to understand Farr's law. Oh well, I wouldn't expect modern day students of academia to actually know anything.

But the question is - what is so magical about Friday afternoon for communication?
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(08-21-2020 03:33 PM)tigerdave84701112 Wrote:  No one seems to understand Farr's law. Oh well, I wouldn't expect modern day students of academia to actually know anything.

But the question is - what is so magical about Friday afternoon for communication?

As expected, you asked for scientific studies... then when given you pretend like it's not there. Why ask if you're not going to be honest about it?
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(08-21-2020 12:19 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  In Mississippi, Governor Tate Reeves doesn't even require a mask once you are seated in your socially distant seat at the games.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ll-seasons

Tater Tot is an idiot who reigns over a state with one of the highest Covid death rates in the nation, if not the highest. In Missippi, the virus is raging out of control.
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