Will America make it to the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence?

Better hope Trump wins!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta...centennial

If the Commies win we will still make it but we'll be like Venezuela or NY, Calif., Ore. and Washington state. We'll be afraid to go outside our homes and there will be mass violence. Remember that the Commies will rule the world and will run it like they have those states. Oh, and we might replace the stars with a hammer and sickle to remove doubts.

I’m trying to remember which are the most-recent countries that didn’t “make it”.

IIRC, it was Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and Soviet Russia. Three countries basically held together by secret police and the Cold War.

For all of our problems, I don’t think we are quite on that kind of path.

Doesn’t mean it can’t happen, though.

The more I see, the more I am just glad I live in Montgomery County, Texas.

Watching the DNC Convention, can’t say I have ever been more thankful to live in flyover country.
Those people are crazy in any color, preferred sex or sexual orientation.

Yes we will make it

(08-18-2020 09:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Yes we will make it

I don't think so. I'm not even sure it's a good idea any more.

Not b/c our founding principles should change, but b/c half the country doesn't give a sh!t about them any more.

Power to the party, the Constitution be damned. 1A. 2A. 4A. All those pesky Amendments.

(08-18-2020 09:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Yes we will make it

Because of the 2nd amendment. But it won’t be pretty.

(08-18-2020 09:48 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Yes we will make it

Because of the 2nd amendment. But it won’t be pretty.

The difference between your post and Triple A's is that one has given up before the event and the other is making plans. We owe it to our grandchildren to fight this out to preserve the Constitution and our personal liberty. Once we are gone there is no United States to help us out of our shackles. This one is to the death. Our alternative is to turn everyone out we possibly can to win at the polls and to be ever vigilant at the polls to make sure we aren't cheated out of a victory the way we lost a handful of house seats in the last one with delayed counts and late found absentee ballots that all went one way. Those we oppose have been schooling the American people on just how dirty and how illegal and how criminal they are in their tactics. Shame on us if we aren't prepared. Win this election and then move to vouchers for people to educate their children anywhere and break the Public Education hold and the tide can be turned.

(08-18-2020 09:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:48 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Yes we will make it

Because of the 2nd amendment. But it won’t be pretty.

The difference between your post and Triple A's is that one has given up before the event and the other is making plans. We owe it to our grandchildren to fight this out to preserve the Constitution and our personal liberty. Once we are gone there is no United States to help us out of our shackles. This one is to the death. Our alternative is to turn everyone out we possibly can to win at the polls and to be ever vigilant at the polls to make sure we aren't cheated out of a victory the way we lost a handful of house seats in the last one with delayed counts and late found absentee ballots that all went one way. Those we oppose have been schooling the American people on just how dirty and how illegal and how criminal they are in their tactics. Shame on us if we aren't prepared. Win this election and then move to vouchers for people to educate their children anywhere and break the Public Education hold and the tide can be turned.

You obviously don't know me well. I didn't say I wouldn't fight. I just said I don't think it will work out, b/c the Dems want power at all costs.

I don't want to kill them. I just want them to leave, lol. If they don't and they try to make me live by their rules, well, then I fight.

The issue will be whether enough people fight, or just roll over. But I have to believe that sooner or later, likely after I'm gone, if the Constitution loses, people will eventually rise up. If they don't, we get what we deserve. I mean, they have about half the country convinced already.

(08-18-2020 10:34 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:48 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Yes we will make it

Because of the 2nd amendment. But it won’t be pretty.

The difference between your post and Triple A's is that one has given up before the event and the other is making plans. We owe it to our grandchildren to fight this out to preserve the Constitution and our personal liberty. Once we are gone there is no United States to help us out of our shackles. This one is to the death. Our alternative is to turn everyone out we possibly can to win at the polls and to be ever vigilant at the polls to make sure we aren't cheated out of a victory the way we lost a handful of house seats in the last one with delayed counts and late found absentee ballots that all went one way. Those we oppose have been schooling the American people on just how dirty and how illegal and how criminal they are in their tactics. Shame on us if we aren't prepared. Win this election and then move to vouchers for people to educate their children anywhere and break the Public Education hold and the tide can be turned.

You obviously don't know me well. I didn't say I wouldn't fight. I just said I don't think it will work out, b/c the Dems want power at all costs.

I don't want to kill them. I just want them to leave, lol. If they don't and they try to make me live by their rules, well, then I fight.

Well then you have one local ally.

(08-18-2020 09:43 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Yes we will make it

I don't think so. I'm not even sure it's a good idea any more.

Not b/c our founding principles should change, but b/c half the country doesn't give a sh!t about them any more.

Power to the party, the Constitution be damned. 1A. 2A. 4A. All those pesky Amendments.

Because we've brainwashed generations of kids while they sat in taxpayer-funded classrooms.

They used our money to do it.

It's time to turn off the brainwashing and start teaching American history and exceptionalism again.

Yes

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Only because we are so close. This country will split at some point in the next 20 or so years into two nations. At that point our influence in the world will be greatly reduced.

We have talked about a coastal versus interior split, but I’m starting to think north/south will be how it plays out. I’ll leave Ohio and likely move across the river to Kentucky.

I actually think if we break up, it could even go so far as a separate nation for every major metropolitan area. There will be a few that consolidate due to proximity (like NY-NJ-CT) but a dark blue island in a sea of red may not be a sure thing to rope in its neighbors.

(08-18-2020 11:47 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I actually think if we break up, it could even go so far as a separate nation for every major metropolitan area. There will be a few that consolidate due to proximity (like NY-NJ-CT) but a dark blue island in a sea of red may not be a sure thing to rope in its neighbors.

The thing is, large cities have been proven to have a great deal of risk, forcing people to the periphery.

In the unlikely event that Trump loses, I would expect preparation for another civil war will quicken.

(08-19-2020 06:33 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  In the unlikely event that Trump loses, I would expect preparation for another civil war will quicken.

Given how hard it is to find .223 or 5.56 ammunition and how quick firearms are selling I'd say it's well on the way now.

(08-18-2020 10:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 10:34 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:48 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Yes we will make it

Because of the 2nd amendment. But it won’t be pretty.

The difference between your post and Triple A's is that one has given up before the event and the other is making plans. We owe it to our grandchildren to fight this out to preserve the Constitution and our personal liberty. Once we are gone there is no United States to help us out of our shackles. This one is to the death. Our alternative is to turn everyone out we possibly can to win at the polls and to be ever vigilant at the polls to make sure we aren't cheated out of a victory the way we lost a handful of house seats in the last one with delayed counts and late found absentee ballots that all went one way. Those we oppose have been schooling the American people on just how dirty and how illegal and how criminal they are in their tactics. Shame on us if we aren't prepared. Win this election and then move to vouchers for people to educate their children anywhere and break the Public Education hold and the tide can be turned.

You obviously don't know me well. I didn't say I wouldn't fight. I just said I don't think it will work out, b/c the Dems want power at all costs.

I don't want to kill them. I just want them to leave, lol. If they don't and they try to make me live by their rules, well, then I fight.

Well then you have one local ally.

he'll have more than one...

The problem that you have is that there is an uprising of unrest with a relatively small portion of the country. But with our media acting the way it has (and still is), the squeaky wheel is getting ALL of the grease and it gives the appearance that the entire country is in upheaval.

Frankly, if this was as big as it is portrayed to be, there would many more clashes with the masses. Portland and Seattle (unfortunately) are overrun by these petulant children and incompetent leadership.... Leadership is in a no-win situation now that they created, they cannot just carpet bomb all these people and wipe them out - the asthetics would be bad, the message would be totalitarian and Hitler-like, and it would be fundamentally opposite of what our free society is supposed to be in the USA.

Where these officials have dropped the ball is that they have NOT enforced the law.... Some dumb kid throws a Malatov cocktail at police, they "arrest" him, then release him in 20 minutes.... That is not even a slap on the wrist.... you think some kid who is willing to do that, can be trusted to show up to court in 45 days for his hearing?

I am all for protesting for or against something you believe in, but as soon as you break the law, you should pay the penalty for doing that. These people are tearing down an entire city with no repercussions whatsoever.

If you don't want to deal with that, then build a wall around the northwest cut off all their services and treat them like a separate country - they can fend for themselves.

In 2 years - we can tear down the wall and let them back in and they will be more than happy to rejoin the USA.