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RE: What should the BXII do to recruit Nebraska?
(08-12-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(08-12-2020 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 10:57 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  I'd swing for the fences and send invitations to Nebraska, Colorado, Utah (or BYU) and Arizona.

I would too. Why not?

Not going to happen, and it is too late to transfer anyways.

Probably not, by why not send out the invitations?

You never know, and it would serve the B1G and PAC right for bowing to the covid overreactors.

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Then we can call these schools, the coaches and fans like you as murderers who killed these kids dropping dead playing football on live tv from heartattacks. You are not even a doctor, nor you are a scientist. You have no say so on these player's lives for your selfless needs. Football will still be around, but these kids may not if they die from this virus.
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RE: What should the BXII do to recruit Nebraska?
(08-12-2020 11:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 11:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 10:57 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  I'd swing for the fences and send invitations to Nebraska, Colorado, Utah (or BYU) and Arizona.

I would too. Why not?

Not going to happen, and it is too late to transfer anyways.

Probably not, by why not send out the invitations?

You never know, and it would serve the B1G and PAC right for bowing to the covid overreactors.

07-coffee3

Then we can call these schools, the coaches and fans like you as murderers who killed these kids dropping dead playing football on live tv from heartattacks. You are not even a doctor, nor you are a scientist. You have no say so on these player's lives for your selfless needs. Football will still be around, but these kids may not if they die from this virus.

Not that I disagree, but 160,000 plus people have already died in the US from COVID and a significant number of people still refuse to alter their behavior. Moreover, students have been killed or grievously injured from football related injuries in games and practice for years, and while it has led to coaching changes (MD) or not (ND), I don’t think the majority of average fans would, for instance, call George O’Leary a criminal even if they remember the negligence at UCF leading to Ereck Plancher’s tragic death. Furthermore, while the NCAA isn’t allowing schools/conferences to force players to sign waivers, there is still a legal doctrine in many states called primary implied assumption of risk that can decreases or even ban the right to recover for someone’s injury or death of the person harmed knowingly and voluntarily agreed to expose his or herself to a risk inherent in an activity. I’m not saying that courts would rule that myocarditis is a risk inherent to football but in some states with tort reform that is certainly a possibility. The idea, however, that the B1G and PAC-12 called off their seasons because of concern for student-athletes is very dubious given that they only through in the towel after the players collectively started talking openly about something that sounded a lot like unionization.
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RE: What should the BXII do to recruit Nebraska?
Has everyone here forgotten the GOR (grant of rights.) No one is leaving the P5 conferences until the contract with their TV partner expires. If they are a part of a conference TV network no one leaves until the conference says so.
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(08-12-2020 11:54 AM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  Not that I disagree, but 160,000 plus people have already died in the US from COVID and a significant number of people still refuse to alter their behavior.

did they die from COVID-19, or with COVID-19? There is a significant difference.

Be honest...
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RE: What should the BXII do to recruit Nebraska?
(08-12-2020 09:32 AM)bgwisc Wrote:  Nebraska isn't going anywhere but if they think this is smart, I say to them "go get em." Nebraska has been awful and largely uncompetitive on the football field. From a purely financial perspective, the B1G overlooked their poor academics and lack of cable subs because the "national brand" would overcome these issues but their viewership numbers haven't been anything special. If the SEC wants Vandy quality football attached to a fanbase with higher expectations then Alabama, please take them and enjoy the lawsuit unwinding their GOR.

At the end of the day Nebraska isn't going anywhere and this whole public hissy fit is tactically stupid but they are poisoning their relationship with the rest of the conference.
And this attitude is why Nebraska fans are hoping and praying that the heads in Lincoln would call Warren's bluff. We would miss the Chair and games against Iowa, but we would trade those in a heartbeat for the Sooners and driveable road games. I mean, there's an entire generation of fans that grew up learning to hate Texas more than any other school out there, and this move left them in the dust. The B1G was a failed experiment. The critics were right, we do need Texas recruits to be competitive, and I'm sure with the state of Nebraska's passion and the money graduates are willing to put into the program Nebraska could be a top third team in the XII regularly. They won't be Oklahoma, but they don't need to be.

We never liked B1G arrogance here because we don't like arrogance. We don't like being told what to do and to shut up and get in line because we're not good enough. That's not a Cornhusker thing, that's a Nebraska thing. Part of being a Nebraskan is having a chip on your shoulder about your state, and Cornhusker football is still a major part of the state's identity. DeLoss Dodds found out about that and now the Rust Belt braintrust is finding that out as well. I'm not saying the XII would be a match made in heaven but it'd be better than what we have now.

If the fans want us gone, and the XII wants us, I don't think many tears would be shed on either side of the Missouri. Iowa will crow about how we couldn't compete, but the move to the B1G to begin with was a knee-jerk reaction to conference instability. We don't match up culturally with you guys and we never will. We're a Plains state and Nebraska belongs with other Plains schools.

(08-12-2020 12:48 PM)Rob3338 Wrote:  Has everyone here forgotten the GOR (grant of rights.) No one is leaving the P5 conferences until the contract with their TV partner expires. If they are a part of a conference TV network no one leaves until the conference says so.
Nebraska wouldn't leave, they'd get expelled. Key difference. I don't think a conference booting a member and keeping their TV rights would hold up in court.
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RE: What should the BXII do to recruit Nebraska?
(08-12-2020 11:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 11:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 10:57 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  I'd swing for the fences and send invitations to Nebraska, Colorado, Utah (or BYU) and Arizona.

I would too. Why not?

Not going to happen, and it is too late to transfer anyways.

Probably not, by why not send out the invitations?

You never know, and it would serve the B1G and PAC right for bowing to the covid overreactors.

07-coffee3

Then we can call these schools, the coaches and fans like you as murderers who killed these kids dropping dead playing football on live tv from heartattacks. You are not even a doctor, nor you are a scientist. You have no say so on these player's lives for your selfless needs. Football will still be around, but these kids may not if they die from this virus.

You do realize that of the first 130,000 Americans who died of CV19, about 90 were 22 or younger, right?

These athletes are extremely unlikely to die from CV19.

That's just the Scientific Fact of the matter, not the Overreactor Scare Story scenario.

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RE: What should the BXII do to recruit Nebraska?
(08-12-2020 12:58 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 09:32 AM)bgwisc Wrote:  Nebraska isn't going anywhere but if they think this is smart, I say to them "go get em." Nebraska has been awful and largely uncompetitive on the football field. From a purely financial perspective, the B1G overlooked their poor academics and lack of cable subs because the "national brand" would overcome these issues but their viewership numbers haven't been anything special. If the SEC wants Vandy quality football attached to a fanbase with higher expectations then Alabama, please take them and enjoy the lawsuit unwinding their GOR.

At the end of the day Nebraska isn't going anywhere and this whole public hissy fit is tactically stupid but they are poisoning their relationship with the rest of the conference.
And this attitude is why Nebraska fans are hoping and praying that the heads in Lincoln would call Warren's bluff. We would miss the Chair and games against Iowa, but we would trade those in a heartbeat for the Sooners and driveable road games. I mean, there's an entire generation of fans that grew up learning to hate Texas more than any other school out there, and this move left them in the dust. The B1G was a failed experiment. The critics were right, we do need Texas recruits to be competitive, and I'm sure with the state of Nebraska's passion and the money graduates are willing to put into the program Nebraska could be a top third team in the XII regularly. They won't be Oklahoma, but they don't need to be.

We never liked B1G arrogance here because we don't like arrogance. We don't like being told what to do and to shut up and get in line because we're not good enough. That's not a Cornhusker thing, that's a Nebraska thing. Part of being a Nebraskan is having a chip on your shoulder about your state, and Cornhusker football is still a major part of the state's identity. DeLoss Dodds found out about that and now the Rust Belt braintrust is finding that out as well. I'm not saying the XII would be a match made in heaven but it'd be better than what we have now.

If the fans want us gone, and the XII wants us, I don't think many tears would be shed on either side of the Missouri. Iowa will crow about how we couldn't compete, but the move to the B1G to begin with was a knee-jerk reaction to conference instability. We don't match up culturally with you guys and we never will. We're a Plains state and Nebraska belongs with other Plains schools.

(08-12-2020 12:48 PM)Rob3338 Wrote:  Has everyone here forgotten the GOR (grant of rights.) No one is leaving the P5 conferences until the contract with their TV partner expires. If they are a part of a conference TV network no one leaves until the conference says so.
Nebraska wouldn't leave, they'd get expelled. Key difference. I don't think a conference booting a member and keeping their TV rights would hold up in court.

Do it!

At least call Warren's bluff and play 2 or 3 non-conference games this fall. Iowa State needs a game and may grab a game with Air Force, who might also play a few non-conference games. Both schools in neighboring states....
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RE: What should the BXII do to recruit Nebraska?
(08-12-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 11:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 10:57 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  I'd swing for the fences and send invitations to Nebraska, Colorado, Utah (or BYU) and Arizona.

I would too. Why not?

Not going to happen, and it is too late to transfer anyways.

Probably not, by why not send out the invitations?

You never know, and it would serve the B1G and PAC right for bowing to the covid overreactors.

07-coffee3

I know its not the point of this post, but most conferences no longer "invite" anyone officially. They work out backroom reals, and then the schools have to "apply" for admittance. That way the conference can say "we didn't tamper! They asked us." Even though everyone knows thats not what happened.
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RE: What should the BXII do to recruit Nebraska?
1. Nebraska plays this season to trigger B1G expulsion
2. XII invites Nebraska

That works around GoR’s and exit fees.
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RE: What should the BXII do to recruit Nebraska?
(08-12-2020 01:07 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 12:58 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 09:32 AM)bgwisc Wrote:  Nebraska isn't going anywhere but if they think this is smart, I say to them "go get em." Nebraska has been awful and largely uncompetitive on the football field. From a purely financial perspective, the B1G overlooked their poor academics and lack of cable subs because the "national brand" would overcome these issues but their viewership numbers haven't been anything special. If the SEC wants Vandy quality football attached to a fanbase with higher expectations then Alabama, please take them and enjoy the lawsuit unwinding their GOR.

At the end of the day Nebraska isn't going anywhere and this whole public hissy fit is tactically stupid but they are poisoning their relationship with the rest of the conference.
And this attitude is why Nebraska fans are hoping and praying that the heads in Lincoln would call Warren's bluff. We would miss the Chair and games against Iowa, but we would trade those in a heartbeat for the Sooners and driveable road games. I mean, there's an entire generation of fans that grew up learning to hate Texas more than any other school out there, and this move left them in the dust. The B1G was a failed experiment. The critics were right, we do need Texas recruits to be competitive, and I'm sure with the state of Nebraska's passion and the money graduates are willing to put into the program Nebraska could be a top third team in the XII regularly. They won't be Oklahoma, but they don't need to be.

We never liked B1G arrogance here because we don't like arrogance. We don't like being told what to do and to shut up and get in line because we're not good enough. That's not a Cornhusker thing, that's a Nebraska thing. Part of being a Nebraskan is having a chip on your shoulder about your state, and Cornhusker football is still a major part of the state's identity. DeLoss Dodds found out about that and now the Rust Belt braintrust is finding that out as well. I'm not saying the XII would be a match made in heaven but it'd be better than what we have now.

If the fans want us gone, and the XII wants us, I don't think many tears would be shed on either side of the Missouri. Iowa will crow about how we couldn't compete, but the move to the B1G to begin with was a knee-jerk reaction to conference instability. We don't match up culturally with you guys and we never will. We're a Plains state and Nebraska belongs with other Plains schools.

(08-12-2020 12:48 PM)Rob3338 Wrote:  Has everyone here forgotten the GOR (grant of rights.) No one is leaving the P5 conferences until the contract with their TV partner expires. If they are a part of a conference TV network no one leaves until the conference says so.
Nebraska wouldn't leave, they'd get expelled. Key difference. I don't think a conference booting a member and keeping their TV rights would hold up in court.

Do it!

At least call Warren's bluff and play 2 or 3 non-conference games this fall. Iowa State needs a game and may grab a game with Air Force, who might also play a few non-conference games. Both schools in neighboring states....
I'd love to see them take the opportunity to schedule some teams that they don't normally play, like service academies, Big 8 neighbors, or smaller ACC schools. They could even bring in some of the indies that are strapped for games. I do still think it's best for the players if they don't play, but if they're that committed to playing then they might as well make the best of it.
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I would imagine the B12 not doing anything for anybody potentially out there because it puts the GoR and bylaws in jeopardy. That you could get someone out of this as a rental, but it opening up the escape hatch for someone who might just bolt if they now can?

And, really, if another P5 school is willing to come over, that blows the current deal up to bits. It takes too much work and unanimity to get anything done there.
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(08-12-2020 12:58 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 09:32 AM)bgwisc Wrote:  Nebraska isn't going anywhere but if they think this is smart, I say to them "go get em." Nebraska has been awful and largely uncompetitive on the football field. From a purely financial perspective, the B1G overlooked their poor academics and lack of cable subs because the "national brand" would overcome these issues but their viewership numbers haven't been anything special. If the SEC wants Vandy quality football attached to a fanbase with higher expectations then Alabama, please take them and enjoy the lawsuit unwinding their GOR.

At the end of the day Nebraska isn't going anywhere and this whole public hissy fit is tactically stupid but they are poisoning their relationship with the rest of the conference.
And this attitude is why Nebraska fans are hoping and praying that the heads in Lincoln would call Warren's bluff. We would miss the Chair and games against Iowa, but we would trade those in a heartbeat for the Sooners and driveable road games. I mean, there's an entire generation of fans that grew up learning to hate Texas more than any other school out there, and this move left them in the dust. The B1G was a failed experiment. The critics were right, we do need Texas recruits to be competitive, and I'm sure with the state of Nebraska's passion and the money graduates are willing to put into the program Nebraska could be a top third team in the XII regularly. They won't be Oklahoma, but they don't need to be.

We never liked B1G arrogance here because we don't like arrogance. We don't like being told what to do and to shut up and get in line because we're not good enough. That's not a Cornhusker thing, that's a Nebraska thing. Part of being a Nebraskan is having a chip on your shoulder about your state, and Cornhusker football is still a major part of the state's identity. DeLoss Dodds found out about that and now the Rust Belt braintrust is finding that out as well. I'm not saying the XII would be a match made in heaven but it'd be better than what we have now.

If the fans want us gone, and the XII wants us, I don't think many tears would be shed on either side of the Missouri. Iowa will crow about how we couldn't compete, but the move to the B1G to begin with was a knee-jerk reaction to conference instability. We don't match up culturally with you guys and we never will. We're a Plains state and Nebraska belongs with other Plains schools.

(08-12-2020 12:48 PM)Rob3338 Wrote:  Has everyone here forgotten the GOR (grant of rights.) No one is leaving the P5 conferences until the contract with their TV partner expires. If they are a part of a conference TV network no one leaves until the conference says so.
Nebraska wouldn't leave, they'd get expelled. Key difference. I don't think a conference booting a member and keeping their TV rights would hold up in court.

I can't speak on behalf of the B1G but reading some of the fan message boards across the conference...I don't think most B1G fans want Nebraska to leave because it's a great fanbase and its still a brand (even if diminished). That said, they haven't really added anything to the conference since joining and in an age of cord-cutting, Nebraska leaving is probably a net financial win. More importantly, Nebraska are loudly complaining as if they are the only ones in the league that are mad or hurt. Doesn't elevating your own school beyond everyone else in the conference remind you guys of someone you left a few years ago (it rhymes with Blexas). It's public pouting that won't change the minds of B1G presidents but the Nebraska administration apparently don't have the self-control to keep their complaints internal. Again, I think the B1G deserves heaping blame for how they've gone through this, but Nebraska's response doesn't reflect well on them either.

Nebraska has had three athletic directors and three head coaches this decade. Nebraska's president has only been in the role since January 1st 2020. No offense to Nebraska, but the whole statement and effort seems sophomoric and poorly considered because they don't appear to have a broader strategy. It seems like they were mad so they put out a statement to signal their displeasure to folks in the state but what's next? Do they think they have the only mad fan base in the league? Ohio State fans are far from happy but their school leadership had the common sense to not release a pouty official statement after the decision was made.

To quote a Wisconsin board, "OSU, Michigan and PSU were battling for playing up until the decision was made. That's all good. The difference was the OSU, Michigan and PSU all stepped back and accepted the outcome from the conference once a final decision was made, respecting the conference. Nebraska didn't do that."

Nebraska left the BIG 12 because it was "too-Texas centric" and one team seemed to have too much power....so now because they lost a vote 2-12 they've decided to head back out for better pastures? Is irony dead in 2020? We can agree that perhaps Nebraska has been a failed football experiment highlighted by their W/L record in the B1G as well as the administrations reaction to ending the the season but...whats next? You mention heading back to the BIG 12 where you'd be a "top third" team but wasn't that the exact state of affairs when Nebraska decided to leave the conference and then fired Bo Pelini, a man that defined "top third?" Is consistently top third good enough for Nebraska fans now?

I still think Nebraska is as good of a cultural fit as existed during expansion but if you want to talk about cultures of "arrogance," I'd argue the one team in the league to talk about "exploring all their options" as if they are the only team hurt/mad about this says more about their arrogance than anyone else.
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(08-12-2020 03:04 PM)bgwisc Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 12:58 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 09:32 AM)bgwisc Wrote:  Nebraska isn't going anywhere but if they think this is smart, I say to them "go get em." Nebraska has been awful and largely uncompetitive on the football field. From a purely financial perspective, the B1G overlooked their poor academics and lack of cable subs because the "national brand" would overcome these issues but their viewership numbers haven't been anything special. If the SEC wants Vandy quality football attached to a fanbase with higher expectations then Alabama, please take them and enjoy the lawsuit unwinding their GOR.

At the end of the day Nebraska isn't going anywhere and this whole public hissy fit is tactically stupid but they are poisoning their relationship with the rest of the conference.
And this attitude is why Nebraska fans are hoping and praying that the heads in Lincoln would call Warren's bluff. We would miss the Chair and games against Iowa, but we would trade those in a heartbeat for the Sooners and driveable road games. I mean, there's an entire generation of fans that grew up learning to hate Texas more than any other school out there, and this move left them in the dust. The B1G was a failed experiment. The critics were right, we do need Texas recruits to be competitive, and I'm sure with the state of Nebraska's passion and the money graduates are willing to put into the program Nebraska could be a top third team in the XII regularly. They won't be Oklahoma, but they don't need to be.

We never liked B1G arrogance here because we don't like arrogance. We don't like being told what to do and to shut up and get in line because we're not good enough. That's not a Cornhusker thing, that's a Nebraska thing. Part of being a Nebraskan is having a chip on your shoulder about your state, and Cornhusker football is still a major part of the state's identity. DeLoss Dodds found out about that and now the Rust Belt braintrust is finding that out as well. I'm not saying the XII would be a match made in heaven but it'd be better than what we have now.

If the fans want us gone, and the XII wants us, I don't think many tears would be shed on either side of the Missouri. Iowa will crow about how we couldn't compete, but the move to the B1G to begin with was a knee-jerk reaction to conference instability. We don't match up culturally with you guys and we never will. We're a Plains state and Nebraska belongs with other Plains schools.

(08-12-2020 12:48 PM)Rob3338 Wrote:  Has everyone here forgotten the GOR (grant of rights.) No one is leaving the P5 conferences until the contract with their TV partner expires. If they are a part of a conference TV network no one leaves until the conference says so.
Nebraska wouldn't leave, they'd get expelled. Key difference. I don't think a conference booting a member and keeping their TV rights would hold up in court.

I can't speak on behalf of the B1G but reading some of the fan message boards across the conference...I don't think most B1G fans want Nebraska to leave because it's a great fanbase and its still a brand (even if diminished). That said, they haven't really added anything to the conference since joining and in an age of cord-cutting, Nebraska leaving is probably a net financial win. More importantly, Nebraska are loudly complaining as if they are the only ones in the league that are mad or hurt. Doesn't elevating your own school beyond everyone else in the conference remind you guys of someone you left a few years ago (it rhymes with Blexas). It's public pouting that won't change the minds of B1G presidents but the Nebraska administration apparently don't have the self-control to keep their complaints internal. Again, I think the B1G deserves heaping blame for how they've gone through this, but Nebraska's response doesn't reflect well on them either.
No, Texas was throwing its weight around and Nebraska has no clout to dictate anything to the B1G. Nebraska's president showing displeasure with the results and not committing to Warren cancelling the conference season was not "loudly complaining." In fact, the leadership has been very quiet today, unlike Northwestern trustee Michael Wilbon and Michigan man Desmond Howard who decided to crap on the program for daring to question the conference office.

Quote:Nebraska has had three athletic directors and three head coaches this decade. Nebraska's president has only been in the role since January 1st 2020. No offense to Nebraska, but the whole statement and effort seems sophomoric and poorly considered because they don't appear to have a broader strategy.
And the league office does? Cancelling the season a week after you announce a schedule doesn't exactly strike me as an entity with a plan in place. Saying "we're going to continue to monitor the situation and act accordingly" when you have Warren's arbitrary leadership running things seems like a decent strategy to me.

Quote:It seems like they were mad so they put out a statement to signal their displeasure to folks in the state but what's next? Do they think they have the only mad fan base in the league? Ohio State fans are far from happy but their school leadership had the common sense to not release a pouty official statement after the decision was made.

To quote a Wisconsin board, "OSU, Michigan and PSU were battling for playing up until the decision was made. That's all good. The difference was the OSU, Michigan and PSU all stepped back and accepted the outcome from the conference once a final decision was made, respecting the conference. Nebraska didn't do that."
Ryan Day was pretty vocal about wanting to play and "exploring all options." He was still battling to play until a few hours ago when the president told him to calm down, likely because of Warren's blowing up at the notion of a B1G member going indy for a year.

Quote:Nebraska left the BIG 12 because it was "too-Texas centric" and one team seemed to have too much power....so now because they lost a vote 2-12 they've decided to head back out for better pastures? Is irony dead in 2020?
They left the Big 12 because the conference was close to dying and the entire South Division was looking at leaving for the Pac 10. Yes, the fans and administration found the Beebe/Dodds regime maddening, but it was more not wanting to be stuck holding the bag with Iowa State and the Kansases, likely in the AAC.

Quote:We can agree that perhaps Nebraska has been a failed football experiment highlighted by their W/L record in the B1G as well as the administrations reaction to ending the the season but...whats next? You mention heading back to the BIG 12 where you'd be a "top third" team but wasn't that the exact state of affairs when Nebraska decided to leave the conference and then fired Bo Pelini, a man that defined "top third?" Is consistently top third good enough for Nebraska fans now?
Nebraska hasn't finished in the top 25 since 2012. That's about to be an 8 year unranked drought. I don't know if Nebraska even had that in the miserable 1950s. Yes, I do think they'd be happy there, at least as a stepping stone. Pelini's firing had more to do with the awful culture he fostered. Yes he won, but he tried to put the team on an island away from the rest of the state and athletic department and make the players openly hostile to everyone but each other.

Quote:I still think Nebraska is as good of a cultural fit as existed during expansion but if you want to talk about cultures of "arrogance," I'd argue the one team in the league to talk about "exploring all their options" as if they are the only team hurt/mad about this says more about their arrogance than anyone else.
We would understand if anyone else was to do the same. Hell, we'd be happy with it. I know the fans and local press were excited to see Ryan Day advocating for the same, and puzzled that the same acidic reaction from Big Ten pundits wasn't heaped on him. Yes, it is arrogance. Wanting to play a season either as an indy or with another conference for a year isn't worth threatening expulsion over, or being attacked like this over. Penn State and Michigan State covered for serial rapists on campus and didn't get this kind of treatment from conference leadership.
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The B1G has a GOR. Nebraska isn't going anywhere.
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LOL.. Big 12 should let them continue to rot in it's new home. Must suck for Nebraska to realize that they aren't viewed in the top tier of the conference. Hell NW has more pull than they do.

Big 12 is good at 10 schools right now, they seem stronger than ever. Colorado is in a really bad place, they don't even compete in athletics and are operating in the red. Mizzu although better in athletics than CO, are also operating in red. They are an odd fit in the SEC and no one cares about them...including it's own fanbase. Aggy is fine, they are making good money and they are in the same place as before ..4th place in it's division when it comes to football.

I don't need to bring up Nebraska.

Big 12 is good as is right now and should stay away from Nebraska.. in fact if there was any school it should go all in after.. it would be arkansas, not nebraska, not CO, not mizzu.
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Nothing stopping Arky from leaving the SEC but their interest in the B12 is still what it’s always been: zero. You’ll never convince the Hogs to join a league that’s totally subservient to the whims of the school they detest the most.
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Nebraska isn't going back to B12. there are at least 15 million reasons why they won't.
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(08-13-2020 01:18 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Nothing stopping Arky from leaving the SEC but their interest in the B12 is still what it’s always been: zero. You’ll never convince the Hogs to join a league that’s totally subservient to the whims of the school they detest the most.

everyone in the big 12 hates Texas.. is that you Sweaty P? I agree Arkansas won't ever come to the Big 12 but it's a sad story of a has been. They would have bigger games in the Big 12 than they do in the SEC right now. They have been there 30 years? and yet only had 3 successful seasons in football. They're basketball program is a shell of a shell of it's former self. Baseball team is good, however.

They get treated like a nobody, the revised schedule will show you that.

But unlike Nebraska they take it, since they get a stack of money left for them on the dresser... Nebraska whines and complains that the next visit shouldn't be in a motel 6, it needs to be in a Hyatt regency
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(08-13-2020 01:18 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Nothing stopping Arky from leaving the SEC but their interest in the B12 is still what it’s always been: zero. You’ll never convince the Hogs to join a league that’s totally subservient to the whims of the school they detest the most.

I think you’ve overstated the disinterest. There is a portion of the fan base that recognizes their current reality and there is no denying that Arkansas in a reformed Big 12 with Nebraska’s and day Missouri makes way more sense for Arkansas than as the SEC West whipping boy. That program isn’t like the Mississippi’s. They have won Championships and been to the peak. There is absolutely an argument that they would be more competitive in the Big 12 than the SEC. I agree with your sentiments mostly, but I do think we are looking at a “not 0” situation.
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(08-13-2020 03:36 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  
(08-13-2020 01:18 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Nothing stopping Arky from leaving the SEC but their interest in the B12 is still what it’s always been: zero. You’ll never convince the Hogs to join a league that’s totally subservient to the whims of the school they detest the most.

I think you’ve overstated the disinterest. There is a portion of the fan base that recognizes their current reality and there is no denying that Arkansas in a reformed Big 12 with Nebraska’s and day Missouri makes way more sense for Arkansas than as the SEC West whipping boy. That program isn’t like the Mississippi’s. They have won Championships and been to the peak. There is absolutely an argument that they would be more competitive in the Big 12 than the SEC. I agree with your sentiments mostly, but I do think we are looking at a “not 0” situation.
From my experienced the hog fans that dismiss the Big12 talk are usually under 30, all they know is the SEC. However folks my age, 40 plus, tend to agree for the most part that they would be more competetive in the Big12. DFW and East Texas used to be such a hotbed for Hog recruits..
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