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Did anyone notice No P12 B Ball this year and UFOs r real
So many huge announcements this year when just one of them would be "oh ****"...

UFOs are real, some may know it came out about 3 months or so ago

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Yesterday the PAC12 announced fall sports including basketball in 2020 and will review in Jan 2021.

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Did anyone notice No P12 B Ball this year and UFOs r real
(08-12-2020 06:49 AM)griffin Wrote:  So many huge announcements this year when just one of them would be "oh ****"...

UFOs are real, some may know it came out about 3 months or so ago

and

Yesterday the PAC12 announced fall sports including basketball in 2020 and will review in Jan 2021.

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Haha....my brother is a UFO nut and I’ve been keeping up with it. It will be interesting when they release all the information.

They totally jumped the gun. If there is one sport that can be played during all this, it’s basketball.


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(08-12-2020 08:33 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 06:49 AM)griffin Wrote:  So many huge announcements this year when just one of them would be "oh ****"...

UFOs are real, some may know it came out about 3 months or so ago

and

Yesterday the PAC12 announced fall sports including basketball in 2020 and will review in Jan 2021.

07-coffee3


Haha....my brother is a UFO nut and I’ve been keeping up with it. It will be interesting when they release all the information.

They totally jumped the gun. If there is one sport that can be played during all this, it’s basketball.


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Basketball is able to be played in a bubble. That's been proven twice already (TBT and NBA). Now can they coordinate a bubble AND get past any legal hurdles of asking unpaid student athletes to be put in a bubble.

IMO - With most schools closing down around Thanksgiving and opening up back around the end of January, you have about an 8 week window with no school where you could "bubble" a conference. Get all 11 teams to one location, hold 3 ish games a week for 8 weeks and you could have a 20 game season + a conference tourney in 2 months. There would be no travel/school to deal with so 3 games a week is very doable. Then you'd just have to figure out how to deal with the gap until March madness. Maybe 2-3 "bubble" non-con tourneys set up from end of Jan to beginning of march to get 7-8 regional non-con games in.
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if basketball is played and there are no tickets sold they wont play basketball - no revenue outside of tv
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(08-12-2020 09:48 AM)griffin Wrote:  if basketball is played and there are no tickets sold they wont play basketball - no revenue outside of tv

UFOs are just one of those silly Science Fiction creations.
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(08-12-2020 09:48 AM)griffin Wrote:  if basketball is played and there are no tickets sold they wont play basketball - no revenue outside of tv

The NCAA tournament TV contract is worth a billion a year alone ... They are going to find a way to play it
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(08-12-2020 10:13 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 09:48 AM)griffin Wrote:  if basketball is played and there are no tickets sold they wont play basketball - no revenue outside of tv

The NCAA tournament TV contract is worth a billion a year alone ... They are going to find a way to play it

Each university has their own financial metric. Memphis needs the ticket revenue to survive.

The same could have been said for Football and you see where we are.

In fact the way the PAC 12 has already cancelled basketball for 2020 would be similar to football cancelling in May
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(08-12-2020 09:59 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 09:48 AM)griffin Wrote:  if basketball is played and there are no tickets sold they wont play basketball - no revenue outside of tv

UFOs are just one of those silly Science Fiction creations.

There are no such things as UFOs when they are
identified.
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(08-12-2020 10:26 AM)griffin Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 10:13 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 09:48 AM)griffin Wrote:  if basketball is played and there are no tickets sold they wont play basketball - no revenue outside of tv

The NCAA tournament TV contract is worth a billion a year alone ... They are going to find a way to play it

Each university has their own financial metric. Memphis needs the ticket revenue to survive.

The same could have been said for Football and you see where we are.

In fact the way the PAC 12 has already cancelled basketball for 2020 would be similar to football cancelling in May

I’m not sure about the logic here. If there’s no season you still pay your coaches and contract staff, you still have athletes on scholarship, you still have facility costs to allow the athletes to keep in shape. There are extra costs, such as travel, are you saying the TV revenue wouldn’t cover those extra costs and would result in the inability of the Memphis program to survive if fans aren’t allowed at the games? Isn’t there a possibility that some of the season ticket holders of these programs, including Memphis, might donate the cost of their tickets to the program?
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(08-12-2020 01:01 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 10:26 AM)griffin Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 10:13 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 09:48 AM)griffin Wrote:  if basketball is played and there are no tickets sold they wont play basketball - no revenue outside of tv

The NCAA tournament TV contract is worth a billion a year alone ... They are going to find a way to play it

Each university has their own financial metric. Memphis needs the ticket revenue to survive.

The same could have been said for Football and you see where we are.

In fact the way the PAC 12 has already cancelled basketball for 2020 would be similar to football cancelling in May

I’m not sure about the logic here. If there’s no season you still pay your coaches and contract staff, you still have athletes on scholarship, you still have facility costs to allow the athletes to keep in shape. There are extra costs, such as travel, are you saying the TV revenue wouldn’t cover those extra costs and would result in the inability of the Memphis program to survive if fans aren’t allowed at the games? Isn’t there a possibility that some of the season ticket holders of these programs, including Memphis, might donate the cost of their tickets to the program?

Think bigger:

1) When "fall" sports are cancelled it's not just football, it's all nonrevenue sports and football. It's a step most universities want to do right now but can't do if football is in swing.
2) If "spring" sports are cancelled - rinse and repeat
3) Ticket revenue donation is possible but it will be coming out of trying to do the same thing with football. Remember a school like Memphis has 10,000 season basketball holders - that is a lot. It's coming at a time when a lot of people are out of work
4) If there are no people in the stands, there are no sponsors in game, revenue terribly needed to operate. Memphis gets over $ 1,500,000 just from Learfield sports for those and other things.
5) Coaches for non revenue sports would be most likely furloughed along with other assistant coaches of basketball and football.
6) Athletic staffs will be furloughed as well.
7) The reason P5 conferences made a strategic decision to only play league games as mandated by the conference is so that those P5 teams could get out of having to pay for those games to non P5 members. It was strategic.

Apply strategically what you would need to supply at a strategic level if you are a President of a University. Then go from there. Not just a single threaded thought process but a multi level one.

NBA ratings in their "bubble" has been a tv ratings disaster, you would have thought they would be off the charts. It's been the opposite.

Athletic Departments will be on the financial deaths door. This is real.
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(08-12-2020 01:21 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 01:01 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 10:26 AM)griffin Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 10:13 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 09:48 AM)griffin Wrote:  if basketball is played and there are no tickets sold they wont play basketball - no revenue outside of tv

The NCAA tournament TV contract is worth a billion a year alone ... They are going to find a way to play it

Each university has their own financial metric. Memphis needs the ticket revenue to survive.

The same could have been said for Football and you see where we are.

In fact the way the PAC 12 has already cancelled basketball for 2020 would be similar to football cancelling in May

I’m not sure about the logic here. If there’s no season you still pay your coaches and contract staff, you still have athletes on scholarship, you still have facility costs to allow the athletes to keep in shape. There are extra costs, such as travel, are you saying the TV revenue wouldn’t cover those extra costs and would result in the inability of the Memphis program to survive if fans aren’t allowed at the games? Isn’t there a possibility that some of the season ticket holders of these programs, including Memphis, might donate the cost of their tickets to the program?

Think bigger:

1) When "fall" sports are cancelled it's not just football, it's all nonrevenue sports and football. It's a step most universities want to do right now but can't do if football is in swing.
2) If "spring" sports are cancelled - rinse and repeat
3) Ticket revenue donation is possible but it will be coming out of trying to do the same thing with football. Remember a school like Memphis has 10,000 season basketball holders - that is a lot. It's coming at a time when a lot of people are out of work
4) If there are no people in the stands, there are no sponsors in game, revenue terribly needed to operate. Memphis gets over $ 1,500,000 just from Learfield sports for those and other things.
5) Coaches for non revenue sports would be most likely furloughed along with other assistant coaches of basketball and football.
6) Athletic staffs will be furloughed as well.
7) The reason P5 conferences made a strategic decision to only play league games as mandated by the conference is so that those P5 teams could get out of having to pay for those games to non P5 members. It was strategic.

Apply strategically what you would need to supply at a strategic level if you are a President of a University. Then go from there. Not just a single threaded thought process but a multi level one.

NBA ratings in their "bubble" has been a tv ratings disaster, you would have thought they would be off the charts. It's been the opposite.

Athletic Departments will be on the financial deaths door. This is real.

I agree with half of your points. If Memphis is similar to WSU, you pay a certain amount as a "donation" and another amount for the tickets. With WSU the donation amount can far exceed the ticket value for the better tickets. If a season is played but without fans it's TBD whether a school would have to refund the donation. Most would probably give the option but I wager that a decent part of the donation base would still provide their donation. It would also likely make that a tax deductible donation again since it would no longer be tied to seat purchase. So some people (like myself) would realize that the school would still have to provide the scholarships, tickets or not and allow them to keep the donation.

As far as ad donations .. if the games are on TV, there is a certain subset of ads that would still be extremely valuable as they would be visible on TV. They would likely have other potential options to work with those companies to maintain that ad revenue (migrating their ads to other locations etc).

So while yes the revenue would not be the same as if there would be fans it also doesn't mean there would be no revenue besides TV. Costs would be TBD as it would depend on how they would define and spread the cost of the bubble. Either way, IMO and without any of the actual number available to me, I still think that partial donations+ partial ad revenue + TV revenue + NCAAT Revenue would still leave the colleges in a much better position financially than no season at all.
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(08-12-2020 06:49 AM)griffin Wrote:  So many huge announcements this year when just one of them would be "oh ****"...

UFOs are real, some may know it came out about 3 months or so ago

and

Yesterday the PAC12 announced fall sports including basketball in 2020 and will review in Jan 2021.

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UFOs are real.
PAC12 isn't.

NPR: The Navy Says UFOs Are Real

How about it slhNavy91?
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(08-12-2020 02:09 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 06:49 AM)griffin Wrote:  So many huge announcements this year when just one of them would be "oh ****"...

UFOs are real, some may know it came out about 3 months or so ago

and

Yesterday the PAC12 announced fall sports including basketball in 2020 and will review in Jan 2021.

07-coffee3

UFOs are real.
PAC12 isn't.

NPR: The Navy Says UFOs Are Real

How about it slhNavy91?

I read and post here to get away from work...
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