(08-13-2020 05:50 PM)Bluecoug Wrote: Just last season BYU lost to a MAC team, 2 MWC teams and a Tennessee team that had just come off a loss to Ga State. The idea that they’d run the SunBelt or CUSA is highly unlikely as you pointed out.
I'm not going to argue that BYU hasn't had some fairly bad losses the last few years. I attended the BYU-Tennessee game last season and left thinking BYU had won. You may want to check that.
You are correct, my mistake. BYU won against Tennessee in 2OT.
I like BYU, Air Force, and Boise to the AAC because you add an academy and rivalry in Air Force.
You add a national fan base in BYU football which can generate enough revenue to pay for itself in the AAC. In fact they likely add additional value to current deals and may help get a little more in the long run due to the increase in viewership.
With Boise you add a football team that is well known and recognized. Their media value is on par with AAC schools in football and also add interest amongst a lot of casual fans. its also addition by subtraction. They do compete for the NY6 spot.
(08-12-2020 09:56 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote: Now that it looks like 3+AAC I would really like to see BYU in the AAC 2020 if it doesn't happen then both sides need to take their heads out of their A$$ES, it is pure and simple good bossiness.
What exactly does BYU do for AAC?
They’d guarantee that the NY6 bid would come from the AAC. The danger with not inviting BYU is that if they get backed into a corner and they consider joining C-USA or the Sun Belt for the season. Like it or not, if BYU runs roughshod over one of those leagues they become a threat to a one loss AAC team getting that bid. They have more historic cache than any G5 team, so voters would likely give them the benefit of the doubt, unlike a program like Marshall or App State if they were to do the same thing.
BYU won 18 games in the past 3 years. AAC will get the NY6 regardless of BYU or not. What BYU does guarantee - another mouth to feed.
It doesn't have as much to do with winning. A 6-6 average BYU team brings more eyeballs than any of us. ECU has a big fanbase, but we didn't have the turnout at Provo that BYU did in Greenville (and BYU was terrible that year).
Upping our average eyeballs increases our media value. BYU checks that box more than any other potential candidate.
(08-12-2020 09:56 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote: Now that it looks like 3+AAC I would really like to see BYU in the AAC 2020 if it doesn't happen then both sides need to take their heads out of their A$$ES, it is pure and simple good bossiness.
What exactly does BYU do for AAC?
They’d guarantee that the NY6 bid would come from the AAC. The danger with not inviting BYU is that if they get backed into a corner and they consider joining C-USA or the Sun Belt for the season. Like it or not, if BYU runs roughshod over one of those leagues they become a threat to a one loss AAC team getting that bid. They have more historic cache than any G5 team, so voters would likely give them the benefit of the doubt, unlike a program like Marshall or App State if they were to do the same thing.
BYU won 18 games in the past 3 years. AAC will get the NY6 regardless of BYU or not. What BYU does guarantee - another mouth to feed.
It doesn't have as much to do with winning. A 6-6 average BYU team brings more eyeballs than any of us. ECU has a big fanbase, but we didn't have the turnout at Provo that BYU did in Greenville (and BYU was terrible that year).
Upping our average eyeballs increases our media value. BYU checks that box more than any other potential candidate.
Not According to facts.. or data.. or reality
Did you just make this up.. you realize they record TV rating and this would be easily disproven
You also used fan attendance, to define media value and eyeballs which isn't the same thing.. and then used ECU who has been horrible for years
Byu is the best candidate option, but your points trying to prove that are fake .. a "top 15" BYU would draw more than any AAC .. but trying to argue a 6-6 BYU would is legitimately making things up
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(08-14-2020 07:15 AM)UHCougar08 Wrote: I like BYU, Air Force, and Boise to the AAC because you add an academy and rivalry in Air Force.
You add a national fan base in BYU football which can generate enough revenue to pay for itself in the AAC. In fact they likely add additional value to current deals and may help get a little more in the long run due to the increase in viewership.
With Boise you add a football team that is well known and recognized. Their media value is on par with AAC schools in football and also add interest amongst a lot of casual fans. its also addition by subtraction. They do compete for the NY6 spot.
I've always wondered if the WCC in Olympic sports would want Air Force and Boise State if we added them football only. Boise specifically would improve Gonzaga's strength of schedule in basketball, so I imagine they would be for it.
(08-14-2020 07:15 AM)UHCougar08 Wrote: I like BYU, Air Force, and Boise to the AAC because you add an academy and rivalry in Air Force.
You add a national fan base in BYU football which can generate enough revenue to pay for itself in the AAC. In fact they likely add additional value to current deals and may help get a little more in the long run due to the increase in viewership.
With Boise you add a football team that is well known and recognized. Their media value is on par with AAC schools in football and also add interest amongst a lot of casual fans. its also addition by subtraction. They do compete for the NY6 spot.
I've always wondered if the WCC in Olympic sports would want Air Force and Boise State if we added them football only. Boise specifically would improve Gonzaga's strength of schedule in basketball, so I imagine they would be for it.
wcc rejected boise 5 years ago and only took sdsu...boise was going to the big west conference
(08-14-2020 07:15 AM)UHCougar08 Wrote: I like BYU, Air Force, and Boise to the AAC because you add an academy and rivalry in Air Force.
You add a national fan base in BYU football which can generate enough revenue to pay for itself in the AAC. In fact they likely add additional value to current deals and may help get a little more in the long run due to the increase in viewership.
With Boise you add a football team that is well known and recognized. Their media value is on par with AAC schools in football and also add interest amongst a lot of casual fans. its also addition by subtraction. They do compete for the NY6 spot.
If we were talking permanent AAC membership, that would be another story. The argument is against renting out our membership for a year like we're an Airbnb or something.
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(08-14-2020 07:15 AM)UHCougar08 Wrote: I like BYU, Air Force, and Boise to the AAC because you add an academy and rivalry in Air Force.
You add a national fan base in BYU football which can generate enough revenue to pay for itself in the AAC. In fact they likely add additional value to current deals and may help get a little more in the long run due to the increase in viewership.
With Boise you add a football team that is well known and recognized. Their media value is on par with AAC schools in football and also add interest amongst a lot of casual fans. its also addition by subtraction. They do compete for the NY6 spot.
If we were talking permanent AAC membership, that would be another story. The argument is against renting out our membership for a year like we're an Airbnb or something.
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Exactly! We're not desperate for exposure, remember this is also the first year of our new ESPN tv contract with additional games guaranteed on flagship stations. Only way we should take someone in for 2020 shelter is if they're going to be joining the conference. Teams are obviously free to schedule whoever they can if we have OOC games so BYU will likely pick up a couple.
(08-12-2020 10:44 PM)uofmlimbo Wrote: What exactly does BYU do for AAC?
They’d guarantee that the NY6 bid would come from the AAC. The danger with not inviting BYU is that if they get backed into a corner and they consider joining C-USA or the Sun Belt for the season. Like it or not, if BYU runs roughshod over one of those leagues they become a threat to a one loss AAC team getting that bid. They have more historic cache than any G5 team, so voters would likely give them the benefit of the doubt, unlike a program like Marshall or App State if they were to do the same thing.
BYU won 18 games in the past 3 years. AAC will get the NY6 regardless of BYU or not. What BYU does guarantee - another mouth to feed.
It doesn't have as much to do with winning. A 6-6 average BYU team brings more eyeballs than any of us. ECU has a big fanbase, but we didn't have the turnout at Provo that BYU did in Greenville (and BYU was terrible that year).
Upping our average eyeballs increases our media value. BYU checks that box more than any other potential candidate.
Not According to facts.. or data.. or reality
Did you just make this up.. you realize they record TV rating and this would be easily disproven
Your also used fan attendance, to define media value and eyeballs which isn't the same thing.. and then used ECU who has been horrible for years
Building is the best candidate option, but your points trying to prove that are fake .. a "top 15" BYU would draw more than any AAC .. but trying to argue a 6-6 BYU would is legitimately making things up
I used attendance to define value. How often to the other AAC teams sell out your visitor section? Was only comparing ECU on an attendance basis, not a performance basis.
And I'm open to being disproved on the tv front. I admittedly haven't combed through the numbers. Would just guess that BYU, against AAC teams with similar records in similar timeslots, gets more eyes. Looking back at bowl week last year, BYU-Hawaii drew more than any of our teams with non-P5 opponents, and a couple (Temple and Cincy) WITH P5 opponents.
(08-14-2020 02:24 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote: I used attendance to define value. How often to the other AAC teams sell out your visitor section? Was only comparing ECU on an attendance basis, not a performance basis.
And I'm open to being disproved on the tv front. I admittedly haven't combed through the numbers. Would just guess that BYU, against AAC teams with similar records in similar timeslots, gets more eyes. Looking back at bowl week last year, BYU-Hawaii drew more than any of our teams with non-P5 opponents, and a couple (Temple and Cincy) WITH P5 opponents.
attendance is value, but it's completely different than media value ..being able to sell out visitors sections doesnt mean you are the best tv draw...
byu has a devote national religious following and support, so they have national fans everywhere they go to sell out visitor sections (when talking 3k-4k local/traveling fans)..but that religious group is a minority in the nation, and doesnt encompass a huge portion of college football fans (talking millions of viewers)
and your bowl example isnt great as it doesnt account for timeslot and day
tulane vs southern miss had a 1.2 rating (noon game)
byu vs hawaii 1.4 rating (small difference)..Christmas eve on primetime
dont get me wrong i see the tv value in byu...i'd buy; 6-6 byu > 6-6 any aac team .. i just dont buy; 6-6 byu > top level aac..that is a drastic over evaluation of byu and it's not supported by the numbers .. in reference to this line
Quote:A 6-6 average BYU team brings more eyeballs than any of us.
(08-14-2020 02:24 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote: I used attendance to define value. How often to the other AAC teams sell out your visitor section? Was only comparing ECU on an attendance basis, not a performance basis.
And I'm open to being disproved on the tv front. I admittedly haven't combed through the numbers. Would just guess that BYU, against AAC teams with similar records in similar timeslots, gets more eyes. Looking back at bowl week last year, BYU-Hawaii drew more than any of our teams with non-P5 opponents, and a couple (Temple and Cincy) WITH P5 opponents.
attendance is value, but it's completely different than media value ..being able to sell out visitors sections doesnt mean you are the best tv draw...
byu has a devote national religious following and support, so they have national fans everywhere they go to sell out visitor sections (when talking 3k-4k local/traveling fans)..but that religious group is a minority in the nation, and doesnt encompass a huge portion of college football fans (talking millions of viewers)
and your bowl example isnt great as it doesnt account for timeslot and day
tulane vs southern miss had a 1.2 rating (noon game)
byu vs hawaii 1.4 rating (small difference)..Christmas eve on primetime
dont get me wrong i see the tv value in byu...i'd buy; 6-6 byu > 6-6 any aac team .. i just dont buy; 6-6 byu > top level aac..that is a drastic over evaluation of byu and it's not supported by the numbers .. in reference to this line
Quote:A 6-6 average BYU team brings more eyeballs than any of us.
Agree with that completely. I'm saying that if an average BYU team plays Houston and Navy this year, it will draw more media eyeballs than any AAC opponent those teams play with a similar record.
Sure, record counts for something, but we'll always have a team in conference with a good record. You have to admit that it would be better for us from a media perspective for certain teams to be good in a given year vs others. Similar to comparing 6-6 teams, you can make the same comparison of 11-1 teams. 11-1 Houston/ECU/SMU/UCF is going to draw more eyes than 11-1 Tulsa/Tulane/UConn(RIP).
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(08-14-2020 07:15 AM)UHCougar08 Wrote: I like BYU, Air Force, and Boise to the AAC because you add an academy and rivalry in Air Force.
You add a national fan base in BYU football which can generate enough revenue to pay for itself in the AAC. In fact they likely add additional value to current deals and may help get a little more in the long run due to the increase in viewership.
With Boise you add a football team that is well known and recognized. Their media value is on par with AAC schools in football and also add interest amongst a lot of casual fans. its also addition by subtraction. They do compete for the NY6 spot.
I've always wondered if the WCC in Olympic sports would want Air Force and Boise State if we added them football only. Boise specifically would improve Gonzaga's strength of schedule in basketball, so I imagine they would be for it.
wcc rejected boise 5 years ago and only took sdsu...boise was going to the big west conference
WCC is private and a focus on academics, it is the perfect fit for AFA olympics, very similar to the patriot league for Army and Navy.
Boise is just dumb. They are way out there, they want a sweet heart deal, can't even win their current weak conference consistently, their recruiting ground is in California, they haven't been a real threat for NY6 in a while. It's just a bad fit for a meh performing team who is a constant prima donna and lately a huge head ache for its conference. They were already a problem, let them rot out west, they have no where to go.
AFA and BYU are a nice add and are west with out being crazy west. Add Army, add Colorado St to go with them if they both want to come or just add one. Since it looks like the division requirement is probably dead any way just take them both and wait on Army.
This is hypothetical of course on those three or four if colorado st tags along want to come. I see no reason to consider anyone else besides BYU, AFA, or Army because no one else adds value.
BYU, Air Force, and Army football only makes a ton of sense to get us to 14. Then you can stay at 11 for basketball and do a round-robin, or add VCU for an even 12 and split into east/west pods for scheduling purposes in basketball:
East:
Temple
Cincinnati
VCU
East Carolina
UCF
USF
West:
Memphis
Houston
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
Wichita State
Play everyone in your pod twice to reduce travel costs, play everyone in the opposite division once except for two cross-over opponents that can be selected based on TV and SOS match-ups.
(08-16-2020 01:29 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote: BYU, Air Force, and Army football only makes a ton of sense to get us to 14. Then you can stay at 11 for basketball and do a round-robin, or add VCU for an even 12 and split into east/west pods for scheduling purposes in basketball:
East:
Temple
Cincinnati
VCU
East Carolina
UCF
USF
West:
Memphis
Houston
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
Wichita State
Play everyone in your pod twice to reduce travel costs, play everyone in the opposite division once except for two cross-over opponents that can be selected based on TV and SOS match-ups.
Bring in BYU, BSU, and AF for FB and and VCU for BB will be the ideal situation. Added TV exposure for everybody.
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