(08-11-2020 08:26 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:29 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:24 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:22 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  From the Big XII: (Un)Official Invite to NU and one other!

Let's talk! :-)

And let's consider doing round-robin forever, not just this year, to eliminate an old issue.

CU -- don't wait too long to call as well; you snooze, you lose (to Iowa, Utah, Penn State, or ???).

Neb and Col back to the Big 12 would return life back to normal. Miz and A&M are where they belong.

Colorado doesn’t fit the culture of the big 12 anymore

They never really did to begin with. Even in the Big 8 days Colorado was known for having a bunch of Californian hippies on campus. That was part of the fun of the Nebraska-Colorado rivalry, to be honest.

Missouri doesn't fit in the SEC. Big 10 or Big 12, yes, but not SEC. The only part of the state that feels southern is the sliver down by the Ozarks. They'd never leave the SEC behind, even if they're stuck jobbing out to Georgia and Florida for the rest of their time in the conference.

Would they leave the SEC for the B1G if offered to replace a Nebraska that hypothetically leaves for the B12? I've felt all along that the B1G SHOULD have invited Missouri, but decided to go for markets in the east instead with Rutgers and Maryland. Mizzou would be great natural rivals for Iowa and Illinois IMO.

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(08-11-2020 10:01 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 08:26 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:29 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:24 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:22 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  From the Big XII: (Un)Official Invite to NU and one other!

Let's talk! :-)

And let's consider doing round-robin forever, not just this year, to eliminate an old issue.

CU -- don't wait too long to call as well; you snooze, you lose (to Iowa, Utah, Penn State, or ???).

Neb and Col back to the Big 12 would return life back to normal. Miz and A&M are where they belong.

Colorado doesn’t fit the culture of the big 12 anymore

They never really did to begin with. Even in the Big 8 days Colorado was known for having a bunch of Californian hippies on campus. That was part of the fun of the Nebraska-Colorado rivalry, to be honest.

Missouri doesn't fit in the SEC. Big 10 or Big 12, yes, but not SEC. The only part of the state that feels southern is the sliver down by the Ozarks. They'd never leave the SEC behind, even if they're stuck jobbing out to Georgia and Florida for the rest of their time in the conference.

Would they leave the SEC for the B1G if offered to replace a Nebraska that hypothetically leaves for the B12? I've felt all along that the B1G SHOULD have invited Missouri, but decided to go for markets in the east instead with Rutgers and Maryland. Mizzou would be great natural rivals for Iowa and Illinois IMO.

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Why would they? The letters "SEC" are recruiting gold and as the conference continues to build their brand and has ESPN constantly pushing its superiority to everywhere else, it wouldn't make any sense for them to go to a conference with questionable at best recruiting grounds and a lackluster reputation. The SEC's also worth far more than the B1G and it's a matter of time before the contract money catches up to that fact.

(08-11-2020 10:35 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 10:01 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 08:26 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:29 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:24 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  Neb and Col back to the Big 12 would return life back to normal. Miz and A&M are where they belong.

Colorado doesn’t fit the culture of the big 12 anymore

They never really did to begin with. Even in the Big 8 days Colorado was known for having a bunch of Californian hippies on campus. That was part of the fun of the Nebraska-Colorado rivalry, to be honest.

Missouri doesn't fit in the SEC. Big 10 or Big 12, yes, but not SEC. The only part of the state that feels southern is the sliver down by the Ozarks. They'd never leave the SEC behind, even if they're stuck jobbing out to Georgia and Florida for the rest of their time in the conference.

Would they leave the SEC for the B1G if offered to replace a Nebraska that hypothetically leaves for the B12? I've felt all along that the B1G SHOULD have invited Missouri, but decided to go for markets in the east instead with Rutgers and Maryland. Mizzou would be great natural rivals for Iowa and Illinois IMO.

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Why would they? The letters "SEC" are recruiting gold and as the conference continues to build their brand and has ESPN constantly pushing its superiority to everywhere else, it wouldn't make any sense for them to go to a conference with questionable at best recruiting grounds and a lackluster reputation. The SEC's also worth far more than the B1G and it's a matter of time before the contract money catches up to that fact.

Forbes ran an article in June talking about the SEC's media deal. It is the last article out on the subject. They said the final amount of the deal between Disney/ABC/ESPN and the SEC will be in the 375-400 million range for the CBS rights. When you subtract the 55 million the SEC was making from CBS that means the increase will take the per school payouts to the 68 to 72 million dollar range and I'm thinking the lower end of the range is probably about right from what I heard initially which had it at 67 million. But that figure doesn't include any escalators for the T2 revenue nor is it adjusted for what is diminishing conference network revenue, though the diminishment now isn't as great as it was initially.

Now this new revenue will definitely begin by the 2024 season, but if ABC was successful in buying out the CBS rights for 2022 & 23 it will start earlier. So yes the SEC is about to get a fairly large windfall that will vault us over the Big 10, but even they get a reup in 2024-5. I'm figuring the SEC winds up with a 2-4 million advantage.

But what it will be doing is ratcheting up the gap between the SEC/B1G and the rest.

So the Big 12 pulling off a Nebraska return whether with BYU or an Iowa might do some gap closing with the middle. But what I don't see is a big rescue for the PAC or the ACC although if N.D. goes all in they will get a boost.

(08-11-2020 07:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  All Warren has done is to invite Nebraska to open Pandora's Box, and to do so under the only circumstance that could have arisen to highlight this vulnerability. It's a highly irresponsible move in my opinion. The Big 10 retains its unity by granting permission, not by withholding it. E.G. Of course N.D. may play hockey in a hockey league inasmuch as it doesn't impact their relationship with the ACC.

I can guarantee you this, any chance they had at landing an Oklahoma or Texas just left the building for good!

I think you're right. OU's administration might still try to move to the B1G, but the boosters and fans would now riot in opposition. The politicians would now line up against it. The SEC would still be on the table.

I think the B12 took a huge step toward saving itself tonight. If we can successfully play a season without a Covid outbreak, and if Nebraska can come back (temporarily first, then maybe permanently), the B12 will improve its position greatly.

(08-11-2020 11:12 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 07:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  All Warren has done is to invite Nebraska to open Pandora's Box, and to do so under the only circumstance that could have arisen to highlight this vulnerability. It's a highly irresponsible move in my opinion. The Big 10 retains its unity by granting permission, not by withholding it. E.G. Of course N.D. may play hockey in a hockey league inasmuch as it doesn't impact their relationship with the ACC.

I can guarantee you this, any chance they had at landing an Oklahoma or Texas just left the building for good!

I think you're right. OU's administration might still try to move to the B1G, but the boosters and fans would now riot in opposition. The politicians would now line up against it. The SEC would still be on the table.

I think the B12 took a huge step toward saving itself tonight. If we can successfully play a season without a Covid outbreak, and if Nebraska can come back (temporarily first, then maybe permanently), the B12 will improve its position greatly.

Without question this would be the case. Bring Nebraska back and then think about who might be willing to leave the PAC. If the ACC would have any interest in WVU maybe you let them go without fees and start rebuilding a contiguous regional conference all over again.

(08-11-2020 06:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Kevin Warren didn't answer the question about Big Ten programs going rogue when he was interviewed live right after the decision, but he answers it here:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-play-fall

Quote:Asked Tuesday about Nebraska's statement, commissioner Kevin Warren told ESPN's Heather Dinich, "We have 14 schools in the Big Ten conference. I appreciate the passion of all of our schools. I didn't expect all of our coaches to be ecstatic that the decision was made, so I understand they're passionate. ... My expectation is that when you're in a conference, you can't be in a conference and be an independent. That's where we are. I expect for our 14 members to go forward together."

Boom. Your move, Huskers.

The Big10 is waving a stick it doesnt have. Nebraska owns their football team, not the Big10. Every year Nebraska has games they schedule themselves in non-conference play. If Nebraska wishes to set up a slate of non-conference games this fall----there isnt a thing the Big10 can do about it. If they try, Nebrasksa will whip their butt in court just like Oklahoma whipped the NCAA. The Big10 is the entity that failed to perform on its commitment to provide Nebraska 9 games this fall. Instead of providing 9 games, the Big10 cancelled all games just a weeks prior to the season's start. Even worse---they cancelled all conference games and have refused to commit to actually playing those 9 replacement games in the the 2020-2021 season. All the Big10 has issued is a vague promise that they will try to work out a Spring season. I'd also add that playing a spring schedule likely means many players injured in the spring will not be healed up and available by fall--meaning this hastily thrown together "plan" for a Spring season could place many Big10 teams at a disadvantage for the 2021-2022 fall season.

Given the Big10 is the one failing to perform on its contractual obligations---and given the possibly that spring season (if it even is played) might damage its teams both on the field and financially---Im not sure they really want to take anyone to court over this issue. If they want to try to kick Nebraska out over the Big-10's own contractual failure to perform---they will probably find themselves in court working with the same poor hand of cards.

The Big10 might have a case if Nebraska tries to join the Big12 for season---but if Nebraska wants to piece together a schedule based around their current remaining OOC games (basically a super-sized OOC schedule), I dont think there is a darn thing the Big10 can do to stop them.

Some of the Big Ten presidents must have told Warren to state the conference's position about Nebraska more firmly, because he does that here:

https://sports.yahoo.com/big-ten-commiss...33028.html

Quote:When Warren was asked specifically by Yahoo Sports if Nebraska could play college football this fall, he gave an answer that would make his hardline predecessor nod with approval.

“No,” he said, firmly. “Not and be a member of the Big Ten Conference.”

Warren’s concise Nebraska rebuttal is a nice window into the bottom line he used to help guide the decision that may ultimately define his career as Big Ten commissioner. He politely told Nebraska that if it goes rogue, it can pack it where the corn doesn’t husk. And the league would be happy to keep its $50 million cut and share it with those who play nice.

Warren’s stance on Nebraska’s fall football fantasy would make former commissioner Jim Delany proud. Delany ruled the league with swagger, intimidation and the occasional f-bomb. It’s safe to say Nebraska wouldn’t have attempted to go rogue with Delany in the commissioner chair, as it would have received phone calls with Delany’s Jersey-colorful vernacular. And, likely, it would have been guaranteed the Cornhuskers would have opened their league schedule on the road the next three years with some combination of Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan as a reminder of who is in charge.

(08-11-2020 11:55 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Some of the Big Ten presidents must have told Warren to state the conference's position about Nebraska more firmly, because he does that here:

https://sports.yahoo.com/big-ten-commiss...33028.html

Quote:When Warren was asked specifically by Yahoo Sports if Nebraska could play college football this fall, he gave an answer that would make his hardline predecessor nod with approval.

“No,” he said, firmly. “Not and be a member of the Big Ten Conference.”

Warren’s concise Nebraska rebuttal is a nice window into the bottom line he used to help guide the decision that may ultimately define his career as Big Ten commissioner. He politely told Nebraska that if it goes rogue, it can pack it where the corn doesn’t husk. And the league would be happy to keep its $50 million cut and share it with those who play nice.

Warren’s stance on Nebraska’s fall football fantasy would make former commissioner Jim Delany proud. Delany ruled the league with swagger, intimidation and the occasional f-bomb. It’s safe to say Nebraska wouldn’t have attempted to go rogue with Delany in the commissioner chair, as it would have received phone calls with Delany’s Jersey-colorful vernacular. And, likely, it would have been guaranteed the Cornhuskers would have opened their league schedule on the road the next three years with some combination of Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan as a reminder of who is in charge.

Luckily for Nebraska the football conference schedule is set for years so that kind of retaliation is unlikely.

(08-11-2020 07:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:44 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Kevin Warren didn't answer the question about Big Ten programs going rogue when he was interviewed live right after the decision, but he answers it here:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-play-fall

Boom. Your move, Huskers.

I'm not sure that 10 schools voting not to fulfill a contract has a legal leg to stand on in trying to make the 4 who choose to play pay them an exit fee. And I don't think any court would rule that the 4 wanting to play was contractually bound to not perform.

There is a lot here that Warren may not want to bite on.

Warren can only do what the Big Ten presidents want to do.

He's not talking about an exit fee, probably doesn't even care about any fee. He's talking about whether a school can choose to play a schedule outside the conference, and saying there would be consequences (without saying what they are) for going outside the conference.

[b]It's like telling an employee, "Our company's expectation is that while you're in our company, you will only work for our company." What's going to happen when that employee takes another job on the side? Is the employee going to take a chance and then find out?[/b]

No it's not. It's like saying that while the company is closed and you are laid off you have no right to gainful employment elsewhere and that when the Big 10 reopens you are not welcome to your old job if you support yourself while we are closed.

Make your analogies at least appropriate!

What you just said is Nebraska's argument. Will the Big Ten presidents agree? If Nebraska plays this fall, we'll find out.

Kirk Herbstreit was on SportsCenter and he said he can't imagine the Big Ten permitting one of its members to play in another conference this fall.

If you're laid off and you file for unemployment, the company that laid you off is responsible for paying you unemployment benefits. If you go work someone else then you forfeit your unemployment benefits.

Both of you are correct to a point. But if Nebraska wants to play in another conference even under these circumstances they need the permission of the B1G to legally do so.

It’s the joint statement from UNL leadership that is most intriguing. That’s straight up disagreement with the conference and other member schools.

The courtship between these two was something like almost a century old, and UNL was a model land grant that many in the Big Ten emulated. The likeness is there, but it still seems the cultures are worlds apart.

Then again, it used to be said the Big Ten was Michigan’s conference with Illinois offices. Expand the conference enough, and maybe this was inevitable to challenge that notion. But, this is Nebraska...there’s always a fight in them.

NO. Nebraska is not going to take a 10 to 20 mil per year cut and leave the B10.

(08-11-2020 04:18 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  The Big 10/PAC can have the Rose Bowl in the spring.

The Sugar Bowl can be the championship game.

that's exactly correct. It wasn't all that long ago that the Bowl Alliance (BCS predecessor) did NOT include the Big 10 and PAC 10. The Sugar, Orange and Fiesta Bowls. History may be repeating itself.

(08-11-2020 06:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Kevin Warren didn't answer the question about Big Ten programs going rogue when he was interviewed live right after the decision, but he answers it here:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-play-fall

Quote:Asked Tuesday about Nebraska's statement, commissioner Kevin Warren told ESPN's Heather Dinich, "We have 14 schools in the Big Ten conference. I appreciate the passion of all of our schools. I didn't expect all of our coaches to be ecstatic that the decision was made, so I understand they're passionate. ... My expectation is that when you're in a conference, you can't be in a conference and be an independent. That's where we are. I expect for our 14 members to go forward together."

Boom. Your move, Huskers.

but yet it seems to be OK for an independent (Notre Dame) to be in a conference? (I don't agree with it, but that's where we are currently).

Kevin Warren didn't do his institutions any favors yesterday.

Now hearing PAC-12 is trying to borrow/line of credit close to a BILLION dollars. oy vey.

If Nebraska is serious about this, Colorado is going to be the first target. It's not inconceivable as Colorado would make more money in the BXII.

BYU would be the second target if Colorado declines.

If BYU is unworkable, they'll go to an AAC school.

(08-12-2020 07:39 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Kevin Warren didn't answer the question about Big Ten programs going rogue when he was interviewed live right after the decision, but he answers it here:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-play-fall

Quote:Asked Tuesday about Nebraska's statement, commissioner Kevin Warren told ESPN's Heather Dinich, "We have 14 schools in the Big Ten conference. I appreciate the passion of all of our schools. I didn't expect all of our coaches to be ecstatic that the decision was made, so I understand they're passionate. ... My expectation is that when you're in a conference, you can't be in a conference and be an independent. That's where we are. I expect for our 14 members to go forward together."

Boom. Your move, Huskers.

but yet it seems to be OK for an independent (Notre Dame) to be in a conference? (I don't agree with it, but that's where we are currently).

Kevin Warren didn't do his institutions any favors yesterday.

Now hearing PAC-12 is trying to borrow/line of credit close to a BILLION dollars. oy vey.

Nebraska may be able to play "non-conference" games as a "football independent" since the Big Ten is shuttered down and has no control over the scheduling of non-conference games by a member school.

So, ND would play in a conference and a Big Ten school would play as an "independent".

That is some funny ****.

Huh? So many of you are thinking about sports only. It is a huge mistake. When push comes to shove, there is no way Nebraska leaves the Big Ten Academic Alliance (BTAA). None. Nebraska's academic reputation has increased in the Big 10. No way they will give that up. I expect a public apology from Nebraska sometime today.

If they go against the Big 10 and play, the Big 10 will kick them out. Simple solution. Would the Big 12 take them back? No guarantee.

People need to realize there is not going to be any college football this fall. Today, the ESPN guys are finally suggesting the real reason for dropping fall sports, the schools potential future liability. It is the elephant in the room. The remaining conferences are merely posturing.

(08-12-2020 08:59 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  If Nebraska is serious about this, Colorado is going to be the first target. It's not inconceivable as Colorado would make more money in the BXII.

BYU would be the second target if Colorado declines.

If BYU is unworkable, they'll go to an AAC school.

All of the P5 conferences have Grants of Rights. Colorado, Missouri, and all the other usual P5 suspects are not moving anywhere in the short-term, because no one is going to risk inviting a member, having to litigate their media rights, and potentially losing all their media revenue for a decade or more.

As to BYU, they are dead-on-arrival. They were protested last time because of their record on gay rights and other social issues. In the present environment, no Big 12 president is going to invite massive protests against inviting a university like that to the conference.

Most likely, the Big 12 would sit at 11 members and work with the B1G to pass a championship game de-regulation rule so they could offer a game without divisions or a round-robin. But if they did have to add a 12th member, it's between UCF and Cincinnati with Colorado State a distant third.

Nebraska is not going anywhere. It would be interference on any other conferences to let them in for 1 season.

Second, once these players on Oklahoma and Oklahoma State starts showing signs of that heart condition after they caught the virus last month? Those 2 schools my postpone until spring so that they will look at these players medically for them not to have a heartattack.

Third, Baylor may decide to sit out since they do have an infectious virus expert on their staff. I think Texas and Texas A&M also have experts who would agree no football this fall.

4th, since Kansas became a blue state with a blue governor? I think they may lean towards a spring play.

I think that is where we might be seeing the Big 12 be apart.

(08-12-2020 11:01 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Nebraska is not going anywhere. It would be interference on any other conferences to let them in for 1 season.

Second, once these players on Oklahoma and Oklahoma State starts showing signs of that heart condition after they caught the virus last month? Those 2 schools my postpone until spring so that they will look at these players medically for them not to have a heartattack.

Third, Baylor may decide to sit out since they do have an infectious virus expert on their staff. I think Texas and Texas A&M also have experts who would agree no football this fall.

4th, since Kansas became a blue state with a blue governor? I think they may lean towards a spring play.

I think that is where we might be seeing the Big 12 be apart.

Kansas is not a blue state even though the Democrats won the governorship. The state is trending blue thanks to suburb growth, but the Republicans dominate the legislature. Saying Kansas is blue because of the governor is like saying Vermont is red because they have a Republican governor.