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The national overreaction to the WuFlu goes WAY beyond college football. As sad as it is for fans (and probably deeply disappointing to many players), you cannot fairly call out Wood Selig or ODU specifically for making this decision.

(08-11-2020 06:30 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:26 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 04:04 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 09:31 PM)monarx Wrote:  Looks like the Big 10 is waffling and may play after all. Twitter is saying they may delay rather than cancel now. AAC also saying they will play. Man, I hope we didn’t screw this up. Though I guess if we are still practicing. We could change our minds. Also. Do we now owe WF and the CUSA schools buy outs for not following through with our games since they’re playing?

Why not come to a consensus? ODU should cancel only if everyone does. This is what angers me. ODU fans will be at home watching their CUSA mates on TV and saying WTF did we do this for. I'm not the only one who was looking forward to this season. And now we're looking at 18 months without football.

The NCAA should add a new rule that allows immediate transfer eligibility for disenfranchised athletes from programs that cancel while its' sponsoring conference continues to play. Make no mistake, there are ODU athletes who are dissapointed by this decision. They're just towing the company line right now.

A former Norfolk resident may have twisted Brodericks' arm into cancelling the season. I'm wondering if politics was involved in this decision.

Good luck to CUSA, the AAC and the Sun Belt for committing to the 2020 season.

I think the only one getting their panties in a wad over the politics surrounding the issue is you.

Political interference in these cancellations are being discussed on various forums and social media so it's not just me. There are agendas to be met. Stop being offended. This was a horrible decision by this school and we're being laughed at. No one in the conference is following our lead. Doesn't that make you embarrassed?

Of course not, because ODU is following the approved narrative, so obvs they are doing the right thing, even if all of their peers disagree. /S

(08-11-2020 07:42 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 07:35 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 07:22 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 07:07 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:59 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  No.

Well, good luck then. Obviously not watching your team play for 18 months doesn't bother you. For most of us rabid fans, it does.

I consider myself as rabid a fan as any Monarch, but my sole priority in life is not limited to just watching ODU Football. There are some things more important than sports and I would consider public health and safety in the midst of a global pandemic to be one of them.

I doubt you would have protested had ODU decided to go on with its' season.

And that train wreck you speak of just happened on Hampton Blvd not CUSA.

Dude don't say stuff like that, for a second there I thought there was an actual literal train wreck right at the Hampton Blvd/Terminal Blvd intersection. Took me a sec before I realized it was just a feeble attempt at a comeback.

To answer your first point, I would not have been happy if we had continued on with the season and I was considering withholding my annual donation if we did. But I will say I certainly wouldn't be throwing the hissy fit that /some/ posters have decided to throw.

lol

(08-11-2020 06:42 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  Who cares what other schools think? Why don't YOU stop being so offended. The school, not just Selig, did what it thought right, spurred in part I believe by the numbers in HR.

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There was one death reported in VA yesterday.

The cost of testing the athletics and staff at a rate that would be required to play football, is going to be huge cost for non-P5 programs. Currently we couldn't play under the guidelines set by the state. Not sure how the other Va schools handle that. I do believe that most of the younger crowd and players are on the side of the #WEWANTTOPLAY. We all want to get back to normal. I'm more that sure this is the right move, as someone who has a beautiful 25 year old granddaughter in the ICU with COVID symptoms.

(08-11-2020 08:29 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:42 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  Who cares what other schools think? Why don't YOU stop being so offended. The school, not just Selig, did what it thought right, spurred in part I believe by the numbers in HR.

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There was one death reported in VA yesterday.

We've got another thread for this but it was a Monday. Last Monday it was 0, then the next day it was 26. Yesterday 1 and already 17 today. It's a delay in reporting issue.

I'd be upset if I thought any attempt at a CFB season would be successful. I don't. I think we'll see an increase in cases in the fall as people move inside and there will be players inevitably infected and without really fast testing if someone tests positive 5 days ago and has been practicing then you have to assume others have it. Games will be cancelled and eventually they'll throw in the towel. If you put all the players and coaches in a bubble maybe, the SEC might be able to make that work but they have reason to try. Money. If it's going to be a false start it's probably the best decision to not play at all.

I have to believe these players, and more so their families, are safer being sheltered inside a football program, than with them at home going out partying, hanging out with friends, and doing all the things college aged kids typically do. And this is really about the families, right? People in the age bracket of the players are as likely to die from the flu, more likely to die from being struck by lightening, and more likely to die from gun violence than they are to die from COVID.

(08-11-2020 08:48 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  I'd be upset if I thought any attempt at a CFB season would be successful. I don't. I think we'll see an increase in cases in the fall as people move inside and there will be players inevitably infected and without really fast testing if someone tests positive 5 days ago and has been practicing then you have to assume others have it. Games will be cancelled and eventually they'll throw in the towel. If you put all the players and coaches in a bubble maybe, the SEC might be able to make that work but they have reason to try. Money. If it's going to be a false start it's probably the best decision to not play at all.

I honestly have mixed feelings. Wood is either going to look great or like a complete fool. There is no middle ground here. I want ODU to have made the right decision, but that would mean others get sick and the virus gets worse. What I am most uncomfortable with is that apparently Wood Selig (and Broderick) think they are smarter than all of the other CUSA university Presidents and Athletic Directors combined. I'd like to know if our athletes support this decision. I would imagine it will crush us in recruiting just as we were starting to get our feet back under us. IF a season happens. Its so odd being the one team to cancel. We're going to lose a fortune too. Something just doesnt feel right about this. Perhaps a setup for an excuse to go back to FCS?

(08-11-2020 08:57 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I have to believe these players, and more so their families, are safer being sheltered inside a football program, than with them at home going out partying, hanging out with friends, and doing all the things college aged kids typically do. And this is really about the families, right? People in the age bracket of the players are as likely to die from the flu, more likely to die from being struck by lightening, and more likely to die from gun violence than they are to die from COVID.

So they won't be partying while at college? Or in dorms and classes with people who are partying? And death is only one consequence. There are a lot of young people hospitalized from this virus and plenty with lasting effects to their lungs and heart. If a conference is going to make a bubble for the players and coaches, fine. But if they're on campus then other than access to testing and care which they might not normally have then I don't get the argument that they are safer.

(08-11-2020 07:05 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:42 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  Who cares what other schools think? Why don't YOU stop being so offended. The school, not just Selig, did what it thought right, spurred in part I believe by the numbers in HR.

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They started practice on the 6th. They also agreed to play Wake Forest this season on the same day. So what happened within that 5 day period. Was there a spike in Covid infections? No there wasn't.

ODU football will now travel to Wake Forest for 2020 game

I think CUSA called ODUs bluff. We wanted the press of getting a game with WF, but I imagine Wood never actually intended to play it. In those 5 days we got wind that CUSA was actually going to play (like the SEC, ACC, AAC, Sun Belt, B12) so they put Harry on Twitter to make the case why they shouldn't play. That didnt work. The presidents of all the other schools voted to play, so we backed out all alone. Time will tell if it was smart or stupid.

(08-11-2020 08:57 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I have to believe these players, and more so their families, are safer being sheltered inside a football program, than with them at home going out partying, hanging out with friends, and doing all the things college aged kids typically do. And this is really about the families, right? People in the age bracket of the players are as likely to die from the flu, more likely to die from being struck by lightening, and more likely to die from gun violence than they are to die from COVID.

In theory, they would be safer inside a football environment than outside of it but it would not be perfect. Most programs can't keep kids from violating curfew under normal circumstances. The only way you can expect to keep players COVID free is to go full bubble at a single site. The NBA has done a pretty good job in their bubble. The NHL has done outstanding with zero positive tests in their bubble. A single site full bubble is not practical for college football. You would have to do what MLB is doing and well that has been just this side of a gong show. Shutting it down, while not the popular decision, is the right decision.

Also from The Athletic(paywall): Old Dominion's AD explains his program's solo decision to call off fall footballhttps://theathletic.com/1987872/2020/08/...ed-season/

(08-11-2020 09:21 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

It does feel this way right now. I guess time will tell.

So, cancelling football, ok. Soccer, I guess. But, why volleyball? Field hockey? Golf?

(08-11-2020 09:40 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  So, cancelling football, ok. Soccer, I guess. But, why volleyball? Field hockey? Golf?

My 11 year old son is playing soccer and is in a tournament Labor Day weekend. Out of 20 kids from last season (2 teams), only one dropped out for Covid concerns, but we added 2. Why can he opt to play, but ODU players can't? None of it makes any sense.

(08-11-2020 09:46 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 09:40 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  So, cancelling football, ok. Soccer, I guess. But, why volleyball? Field hockey? Golf?

My 11 year old son is playing soccer and is in a tournament Labor Day weekend. Out of 20 kids from last season (2 teams), only one dropped out for Covid concerns, but we added 2. Why can he opt to play, but ODU players can't? None of it makes any sense.

Are the kids bringing a squad of >60 people from hotspots across the country like Texas and Florida?

(08-11-2020 09:47 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 09:46 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 09:40 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  So, cancelling football, ok. Soccer, I guess. But, why volleyball? Field hockey? Golf?

My 11 year old son is playing soccer and is in a tournament Labor Day weekend. Out of 20 kids from last season (2 teams), only one dropped out for Covid concerns, but we added 2. Why can he opt to play, but ODU players can't? None of it makes any sense.

Are the kids bringing a squad of >60 people from hotspots across the country like Texas and Florida?

Well we have teams coming in from North Carolina, Maryland, and even one from Utah along with a ton from Richmond, SW Virginia and Northern Virginia, most staying in hotels. Tournament is in Williamsburg so it could even be argued that the numerous VB teams (we have 3 in our age group) are from "hotspots" outside of the area. None from Florida or Texas, but they could have. Figure on average 15 kids, 2 coaches, a team manager, 30 parents and siblings and >60 people per team from outside the area seems about right.

More cracks in the BIG decision not to play. In addition to tOSU, Iowa and Nebraska,

Coach James Franklin: Penn State wants to play this season

BIG officials are meeting today. If the BIG is in, the PAC12 follows.

(08-11-2020 08:57 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I have to believe these players, and more so their families, are safer being sheltered inside a football program, than with them at home going out partying, hanging out with friends, and doing all the things college aged kids typically do. And this is really about the families, right? People in the age bracket of the players are as likely to die from the flu, more likely to die from being struck by lightening, and more likely to die from gun violence than they are to die from COVID.

Do you really think that the players are safer on campus? Give me a break, this isn’t the NBA bubble. After they leave practice they go where ever they want.

As for your “more likely to die from” analogy, I am glad you value the lives of these young men so much.