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(08-10-2020 01:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
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(08-10-2020 12:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Pete Thamel says the Big10 has held no vote on this issue yet.


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Just got a text from a Big Ten spokesman. "No vote has been held by our presidents and chancellors." Hence, the Big Ten watch continues.

Conference call polling occurs on all of these issues to get a feeling of where everything is.

The vote is done then but not official.

Then it's leaked on purpose so that when the official announcement comes out there is not as big of an uproar.

The next day or two later, the official vote occurs and it comes out, sometimes like a whisper but definitely less of a blow than if they waited until then.

Then you will hear reporting "As we expected to hear today it was a mere forgone conclusion the Presidents officially voted to not move forward etc"

The only watch will be to see the above process

Tell that to Trump, Rubio and DeSantis. All 3 just tweeted in favor of playing football this fall.

Maybe it goes as you said, but I wouldn't chalk it up just yet. Especially with the SEC and the Big 12.

This could easily fall along political lines, state by state.

Them tweeting in favor isn't going to do anything. Them passing legislation limiting liability will. Will they be able to do that? (i know that's a hot debate for the stimulus act that's being negotiated)
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(08-10-2020 01:10 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 12:49 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 12:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Pete Thamel says the Big10 has held no vote on this issue yet.


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Just got a text from a Big Ten spokesman. "No vote has been held by our presidents and chancellors." Hence, the Big Ten watch continues.

Conference call polling occurs on all of these issues to get a feeling of where everything is.

The vote is done then but not official.

Then it's leaked on purpose so that when the official announcement comes out there is not as big of an uproar.

The next day or two later, the official vote occurs and it comes out, sometimes like a whisper but definitely less of a blow than if they waited until then.

Then you will hear reporting "As we expected to hear today it was a mere forgone conclusion the Presidents officially voted to not move forward etc"

The only watch will be to see the above process

Tell that to Trump, Rubio and DeSantis. All 3 just tweeted in favor of playing football this fall.

Maybe it goes as you said, but I wouldn't chalk it up just yet. Especially with the SEC and the Big 12.

This could easily fall along political lines, state by state.

Them tweeting in favor isn't going to do anything. Them passing legislation limiting liability will. Will they be able to do that? (i know that's a hot debate for the stimulus act that's being negotiated)

Disagree. Just like lockdowns, this will be a state by state decision, and if the feds don't act, each state can.
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With the Big10 announcement, Rutgers has its first chance of a winning season since joining.
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RE: If we truly want be P6.....
(08-10-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:10 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 12:49 PM)griffin Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 12:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Pete Thamel says the Big10 has held no vote on this issue yet.


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Just got a text from a Big Ten spokesman. "No vote has been held by our presidents and chancellors." Hence, the Big Ten watch continues.

Conference call polling occurs on all of these issues to get a feeling of where everything is.

The vote is done then but not official.

Then it's leaked on purpose so that when the official announcement comes out there is not as big of an uproar.

The next day or two later, the official vote occurs and it comes out, sometimes like a whisper but definitely less of a blow than if they waited until then.

Then you will hear reporting "As we expected to hear today it was a mere forgone conclusion the Presidents officially voted to not move forward etc"

The only watch will be to see the above process

Tell that to Trump, Rubio and DeSantis. All 3 just tweeted in favor of playing football this fall.

Maybe it goes as you said, but I wouldn't chalk it up just yet. Especially with the SEC and the Big 12.

This could easily fall along political lines, state by state.

Them tweeting in favor isn't going to do anything. Them passing legislation limiting liability will. Will they be able to do that? (i know that's a hot debate for the stimulus act that's being negotiated)

Disagree. Just like lockdowns, this will be a state by state decision, and if the feds don't act, each state can.

Your disagreement and a couple of tweets wont stop liability lawsuits from moving forward in court.

"State by State decision" is only done via legislation limiting school liability. Not by a couple of tweets. Even then the risk is the case could be appealed up to the federal level if needed.
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(08-10-2020 01:30 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:10 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 12:49 PM)griffin Wrote:  Conference call polling occurs on all of these issues to get a feeling of where everything is.

The vote is done then but not official.

Then it's leaked on purpose so that when the official announcement comes out there is not as big of an uproar.

The next day or two later, the official vote occurs and it comes out, sometimes like a whisper but definitely less of a blow than if they waited until then.

Then you will hear reporting "As we expected to hear today it was a mere forgone conclusion the Presidents officially voted to not move forward etc"

The only watch will be to see the above process

Tell that to Trump, Rubio and DeSantis. All 3 just tweeted in favor of playing football this fall.

Maybe it goes as you said, but I wouldn't chalk it up just yet. Especially with the SEC and the Big 12.

This could easily fall along political lines, state by state.

Them tweeting in favor isn't going to do anything. Them passing legislation limiting liability will. Will they be able to do that? (i know that's a hot debate for the stimulus act that's being negotiated)

Disagree. Just like lockdowns, this will be a state by state decision, and if the feds don't act, each state can.

Your disagreement and a couple of tweets wont stop liability lawsuits from moving forward in court.

"State by State decision" is only done via legislation limiting school liability. Not by a couple of tweets. Even then the risk is the case could be appealed up to the federal level if needed.

I meant by legislation or emergency executive action.

Do you not think the states in question (essentially the south + Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas) have the ability to pass such legislation? Or that the governors cannot declare a medical emergency and suspend any liability lawsuits in the state?

Look at current laws regarding insurance and litigation. They vary by state.
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(08-10-2020 04:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:30 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:10 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Tell that to Trump, Rubio and DeSantis. All 3 just tweeted in favor of playing football this fall.

Maybe it goes as you said, but I wouldn't chalk it up just yet. Especially with the SEC and the Big 12.

This could easily fall along political lines, state by state.

Them tweeting in favor isn't going to do anything. Them passing legislation limiting liability will. Will they be able to do that? (i know that's a hot debate for the stimulus act that's being negotiated)

Disagree. Just like lockdowns, this will be a state by state decision, and if the feds don't act, each state can.

Your disagreement and a couple of tweets wont stop liability lawsuits from moving forward in court.

"State by State decision" is only done via legislation limiting school liability. Not by a couple of tweets. Even then the risk is the case could be appealed up to the federal level if needed.

I meant by legislation or emergency executive action.

Do you not think the states in question (essentially the south + Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas) have the ability to pass such legislation? Or that the governors cannot declare a medical emergency and suspend any liability lawsuits in the state?

Look at current laws regarding insurance and litigation. They vary by state.
Yes they can try to. I'm not so sure it would hold up in court. All of that would likely drag on well past the season anyways and to a likely more important extent, past the elections coming up where things could change politically in those states

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(08-10-2020 04:38 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 04:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:30 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:10 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Them tweeting in favor isn't going to do anything. Them passing legislation limiting liability will. Will they be able to do that? (i know that's a hot debate for the stimulus act that's being negotiated)

Disagree. Just like lockdowns, this will be a state by state decision, and if the feds don't act, each state can.

Your disagreement and a couple of tweets wont stop liability lawsuits from moving forward in court.

"State by State decision" is only done via legislation limiting school liability. Not by a couple of tweets. Even then the risk is the case could be appealed up to the federal level if needed.

I meant by legislation or emergency executive action.

Do you not think the states in question (essentially the south + Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas) have the ability to pass such legislation? Or that the governors cannot declare a medical emergency and suspend any liability lawsuits in the state?

Look at current laws regarding insurance and litigation. They vary by state.
Yes they can try to. I'm not so sure it would hold up in court. All of that would likely drag on well past the season anyways and to a likely more important extent, past the elections coming up where things could change politically in those states

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We'll see. They can certainly do it right now. And I doubt any of the states I mentioned are going to flip politically in November.
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(08-10-2020 04:39 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 04:38 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 04:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:30 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Disagree. Just like lockdowns, this will be a state by state decision, and if the feds don't act, each state can.

Your disagreement and a couple of tweets wont stop liability lawsuits from moving forward in court.

"State by State decision" is only done via legislation limiting school liability. Not by a couple of tweets. Even then the risk is the case could be appealed up to the federal level if needed.

I meant by legislation or emergency executive action.

Do you not think the states in question (essentially the south + Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas) have the ability to pass such legislation? Or that the governors cannot declare a medical emergency and suspend any liability lawsuits in the state?

Look at current laws regarding insurance and litigation. They vary by state.
Yes they can try to. I'm not so sure it would hold up in court. All of that would likely drag on well past the season anyways and to a likely more important extent, past the elections coming up where things could change politically in those states

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We'll see. They can certainly do it right now. And I doubt any of the states I mentioned are going to flip politically in November.
Yet again.. they can do it.. doesn't mean it will hold up in court.

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(08-10-2020 04:41 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 04:39 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 04:38 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 04:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:30 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Your disagreement and a couple of tweets wont stop liability lawsuits from moving forward in court.

"State by State decision" is only done via legislation limiting school liability. Not by a couple of tweets. Even then the risk is the case could be appealed up to the federal level if needed.

I meant by legislation or emergency executive action.

Do you not think the states in question (essentially the south + Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas) have the ability to pass such legislation? Or that the governors cannot declare a medical emergency and suspend any liability lawsuits in the state?

Look at current laws regarding insurance and litigation. They vary by state.
Yes they can try to. I'm not so sure it would hold up in court. All of that would likely drag on well past the season anyways and to a likely more important extent, past the elections coming up where things could change politically in those states

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We'll see. They can certainly do it right now. And I doubt any of the states I mentioned are going to flip politically in November.
Yet again.. they can do it.. doesn't mean it will hold up in court.

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It won't be the reason they don't play football.
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(08-10-2020 04:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 04:41 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 04:39 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 04:38 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 04:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I meant by legislation or emergency executive action.

Do you not think the states in question (essentially the south + Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas) have the ability to pass such legislation? Or that the governors cannot declare a medical emergency and suspend any liability lawsuits in the state?

Look at current laws regarding insurance and litigation. They vary by state.
Yes they can try to. I'm not so sure it would hold up in court. All of that would likely drag on well past the season anyways and to a likely more important extent, past the elections coming up where things could change politically in those states

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We'll see. They can certainly do it right now. And I doubt any of the states I mentioned are going to flip politically in November.
Yet again.. they can do it.. doesn't mean it will hold up in court.

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It won't be the reason they don't play football.
Agree to disagree.. if they don't play football.. it's absolutely the reason they won't

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(08-10-2020 04:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 04:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 04:41 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 04:39 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 04:38 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Yes they can try to. I'm not so sure it would hold up in court. All of that would likely drag on well past the season anyways and to a likely more important extent, past the elections coming up where things could change politically in those states

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We'll see. They can certainly do it right now. And I doubt any of the states I mentioned are going to flip politically in November.
Yet again.. they can do it.. doesn't mean it will hold up in court.

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It won't be the reason they don't play football.
Agree to disagree.. if they don't play football.. it's absolutely the reason they won't

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IF the rest cancel, I think it will be due to peer pressure from the B1G and Pac 12 not playing, not due to liability issues.

Mainly b/c I'm convinced the SEC and the Big 12 are still trying to figure out how to play, and they certainly already understand the potential liability issue.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned but our president Dr. RUDD eluded to the fact that if the American were to play this season along with some of the p5s that there would be some renegotiation of our contract because our current contract is based on us getting some designated times and windows that would have to be upgraded to cover some much better slots that would have gone to the canceled p5 conferences. 02-13-banana03-cloud9
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(08-10-2020 01:30 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:10 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 01:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 12:49 PM)griffin Wrote:  Conference call polling occurs on all of these issues to get a feeling of where everything is.

The vote is done then but not official.

Then it's leaked on purpose so that when the official announcement comes out there is not as big of an uproar.

The next day or two later, the official vote occurs and it comes out, sometimes like a whisper but definitely less of a blow than if they waited until then.

Then you will hear reporting "As we expected to hear today it was a mere forgone conclusion the Presidents officially voted to not move forward etc"

The only watch will be to see the above process

Tell that to Trump, Rubio and DeSantis. All 3 just tweeted in favor of playing football this fall.

Maybe it goes as you said, but I wouldn't chalk it up just yet. Especially with the SEC and the Big 12.

This could easily fall along political lines, state by state.

Them tweeting in favor isn't going to do anything. Them passing legislation limiting liability will. Will they be able to do that? (i know that's a hot debate for the stimulus act that's being negotiated)

Disagree. Just like lockdowns, this will be a state by state decision, and if the feds don't act, each state can.

Your disagreement and a couple of tweets wont stop liability lawsuits from moving forward in court.

"State by State decision" is only done via legislation limiting school liability. Not by a couple of tweets. Even then the risk is the case could be appealed up to the federal level if needed.

If a student athlete doesn't want to play because of Covid, nobody is going to force him to play. Give him a red-shirt and send him home. If he signs off on it, gets sick and dies (very unlikely), well them there's the breaks. Every time I go to the grocery store, I take the same risk. I could just keep ordering from grub hub but I don't want to pay a middle man for a hamburger.
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Okay, now we have to kick the Big 10 out of the P6.

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(08-10-2020 10:01 AM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  IF the SEC, Big 12, and ACC still play then we should absolutely play too. This could catapult the AAC to a whole new level if we play this fall

I personally dont think anyone should be playing this fall but.....

....in a realpolitik sense, yes, this is absolutely right. Furthermore, I think schools who have aspirations towards moving into a P5 conference should absolutely use this situation to leverage whatever they can to achieve that....if possible.
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(08-10-2020 10:01 AM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  IF the SEC, Big 12, and ACC still play then we should absolutely play too. This could catapult the AAC to a whole new level if we play this fall

I personally dont think anyone should be playing this fall but.....

....in a realpolitik sense, yes, this is absolutely right. Furthermore, I think schools who have aspirations towards moving into a P5 conference should absolutely use this situation to leverage whatever they can to achieve that....if possible.

Well, this looks like our chance.

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(08-10-2020 09:38 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 09:33 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 10:01 AM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  IF the SEC, Big 12, and ACC still play then we should absolutely play too. This could catapult the AAC to a whole new level if we play this fall

I personally dont think anyone should be playing this fall but.....

....in a realpolitik sense, yes, this is absolutely right. Furthermore, I think schools who have aspirations towards moving into a P5 conference should absolutely use this situation to leverage whatever they can to achieve that....if possible.

Well, this looks like our chance.


You and I have talked about our differing beliefs on whether we should play this season.

Beyond that, I also believe it would be malpractice for Dr Rudd not to push for as much as possible at this point from the P5. In this I am sure we agree.
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(08-10-2020 10:16 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 10:13 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 10:01 AM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  IF the SEC, Big 12, and ACC still play then we should absolutely play too. This could catapult the AAC to a whole new level if we play this fall

The counter side to that, is if we do follow them and there is a huge outbreak that then involves lawsuits ... AAC would be more likely to crumble than the SEC/B12/ACC.

Depending on the program. Rightly or wrongfully, UCF seems immune to certain lawsuits. I am sure a USF fan can bring up the details.

Our elected officials will pass legislation protecting schools, businesses, etc which also means jobs, jobs, jobs.
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(08-10-2020 07:32 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  I don't know if this has been mentioned but our president Dr. RUDD eluded to the fact that if the American were to play this season along with some of the p5s that there would be some renegotiation of our contract because our current contract is based on us getting some designated times and windows that would have to be upgraded to cover some much better slots that would have gone to the canceled p5 conferences. 02-13-banana03-cloud9

Good news if true. Not sure what kind of a bump we'd be looking at but we all certainly need it with the fan limitations.
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(08-10-2020 09:46 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 09:38 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 09:33 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(08-10-2020 10:01 AM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  IF the SEC, Big 12, and ACC still play then we should absolutely play too. This could catapult the AAC to a whole new level if we play this fall

I personally dont think anyone should be playing this fall but.....

....in a realpolitik sense, yes, this is absolutely right. Furthermore, I think schools who have aspirations towards moving into a P5 conference should absolutely use this situation to leverage whatever they can to achieve that....if possible.

Well, this looks like our chance.


You and I have talked about our differing beliefs on whether we should play this season.

Beyond that, I also believe it would be malpractice for Dr Rudd not to push for as much as possible at this point from the P5. In this I am sure we agree.

The future is here. The AAC has to just play this situation to our full benefit for a lot more cash and an upgrade in status. Heck we are in the drivers seat as far as expansion. I'll betcha BYU and Boise and or sdsu/AFA have been calling their old pals over in the AAC all fricking day. 03-lmfao04-cheers
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