(08-10-2020 02:34 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:00 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  What happens if a #1 QB decides to sit, and his team plays. The next QB steps up and has a fantastic year. Does the QB who sat get his job back?

See my question of getting "Pipped," up-thread.

By-the-bye...

Wally Pipp played 1B for the New York Yankees. He had gotten beaned two days earlier and by some reports was seeing double and/or complaining of a headache. (Read as "post-concussion" symptoms.)

His replacement? Lou Gerhig.

None of this matters, Fall sports are not going to happen.

(08-09-2020 06:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Here's the question, already asked elsewhere by others.

If the players aren't safe playing football in a controlled environment with regular testing, how are they safer by hanging out with their friends in a completely uncontrolled environment in the same time frame?

Does anybody seriously think if these players don't attend college or play football, that they're going to all stay home and isolate themselves until we have an effective vaccine, or a cure?

Andy think bigger please

If the players are playing football sanctioned by the team, conference and possibly NCAA (they only control the championship title not the season) the financial liability is real and is potentially massive. Endowments can't be used to pay for numerous potential multi-million dollar lawsuits.

If a player or players on their on decide to get together there is no liability.

Huge difference.

Real conversations by real coaches and ADs. This has been in motion for more than two to three months, it's just being released now. All strategic. Just like "conferences" making decisions about not playing smaller league games, it gets teams out of contracts to not have to pay money. It's all been a strategy to effective manage the situation at hand. These decisions were not made last week or this week. They were made three months ago...

(08-10-2020 07:36 AM)griffin Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 06:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Here's the question, already asked elsewhere by others.

If the players aren't safe playing football in a controlled environment with regular testing, how are they safer by hanging out with their friends in a completely uncontrolled environment in the same time frame?

Does anybody seriously think if these players don't attend college or play football, that they're going to all stay home and isolate themselves until we have an effective vaccine, or a cure?

Andy think bigger please

If the players are playing football sanctioned by the team, conference and possibly NCAA (they only control the championship title not the season) the financial liability is real and is potentially massive. Endowments can't be used to pay for numerous potential multi-million dollar lawsuits.

If a player or players on their on decide to get together there is no liability.

Huge difference.

Real conversations by real coaches and ADs. This has been in motion for more than two to three months, it's just being released now. All strategic. Just like "conferences" making decisions about not playing smaller league games, it gets teams out of contracts to not have to pay money. It's all been a strategy to effective manage the situation at hand. These decisions were not made last week or this week. They were made three months ago...

Liability has been at the heart of this because they are amateurs. I would think big time college athletics would want to move to next Spring in hopes of a vaccine. No liability and fans can purchase tickets.


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(08-09-2020 06:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Here's the question, already asked elsewhere by others.

If the players aren't safe playing football in a controlled environment with regular testing, how are they safer by hanging out with their friends in a completely uncontrolled environment in the same time frame?

Does anybody seriously think if these players don't attend college or play football, that they're going to all stay home and isolate themselves until we have an effective vaccine, or a cure?

(08-10-2020 02:14 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:23 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:00 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  What happens if a #1 QB decides to sit, and his team plays. The next QB steps up and has a fantastic year. Does the QB who sat get his job back?

Its funny you use the term job. Usually you get paid for a job.

Nah... sometimes they're just chores you do for your parents in return for a roof over your head and food in your mouth.

Do you really consider college football a chore?

Memphis Brady White has tweeted #WeAreUnited #WeWantToPlay

https://twitter.com/bradywhite223/status...92225?s=21

(08-09-2020 09:31 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  As they learn more about the consequences of this virus they are also learning that there may be some long-term health effects. It's going to affect both the young and the old --- and athletes whose performance depends not just on their brains but on their lungs and their hearts. They know now that all of these organs can be affected at least in the short-term and possibly in the long-term by Covid 19.

Covid-19 related myocarditis, inflammation of the heart, seems to be getting most of the attention amongst conferences, ADs, right now. ESPN article -

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-viability

(08-09-2020 06:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Here's the question, already asked elsewhere by others.

If the players aren't safe playing football in a controlled environment with regular testing, how are they safer by hanging out with their friends in a completely uncontrolled environment in the same time frame?

Does anybody seriously think if these players don't attend college or play football, that they're going to all stay home and isolate themselves until we have an effective vaccine, or a cure?

Agree. Players have same fears as everyone else, yet most people don't have the ability to opt-out. Being on campus and having people you interact with (play vs) screened is the safest place.

USFFan

(08-09-2020 11:23 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:00 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  What happens if a #1 QB decides to sit, and his team plays. The next QB steps up and has a fantastic year. Does the QB who sat get his job back?

Its funny you use the term job. Usually you get paid for a job.

My $68,000.00 in student debt suggests they are getting paid to play in a stadium they didn’t build and wear uniforms they didn’t buy and eat food they didn’t pay for and get medical insurance they didn’t purchase. The only question is “are they getting paid enough?” For an 18 year to 22 year old with no real life experience other than playing a game, I personally think they are. Of course if they don’t think so they can always see what value the market will pay for their services in the private sector.

(08-11-2020 06:04 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:23 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:00 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  What happens if a #1 QB decides to sit, and his team plays. The next QB steps up and has a fantastic year. Does the QB who sat get his job back?

Its funny you use the term job. Usually you get paid for a job.

My $68,000.00 in student debt suggests they are getting paid to play in a stadium they didn’t build and wear uniforms they didn’t buy and eat food they didn’t pay for and get medical insurance they didn’t purchase. The only question is “are they getting paid enough?” For an 18 year to 22 year old with no real life experience other than playing a game, I personally think they are. Of course if they don’t think so they can always see what value the market will pay for their services in the private sector.

Can we stop calling it "playing a game"? These guys have team meetings all week. They have practices. They put 8-10 hours a day playing football and still attending class. If it's a road game, they have to leave on Friday and travel. They are paying for it.

These guys have more of a chance of becoming a quadriplegic playing football than getting seriously ill from covid.

(08-11-2020 06:54 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:04 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:23 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:00 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  What happens if a #1 QB decides to sit, and his team plays. The next QB steps up and has a fantastic year. Does the QB who sat get his job back?

Its funny you use the term job. Usually you get paid for a job.

My $68,000.00 in student debt suggests they are getting paid to play in a stadium they didn’t build and wear uniforms they didn’t buy and eat food they didn’t pay for and get medical insurance they didn’t purchase. The only question is “are they getting paid enough?” For an 18 year to 22 year old with no real life experience other than playing a game, I personally think they are. Of course if they don’t think so they can always see what value the market will pay for their services in the private sector.

Can we stop calling it "playing a game"? These guys have team meetings all week. They have practices. They put 8-10 hours a day playing football and still attending class. If it's a road game, they have to leave on Friday and travel. They are paying for it.

While the logistics are more complicated than merely the “game,” they do not put 8-10 hours a day into football unless you consider playing Madden on Xbox “playing football.” Even pee-wee football requires practice. The reality is they have a daily time investment of 4-6 hours, and yeah they travel to road games. It’s like a part-time job while attending college. Of course there are many students who work full time and part-time jobs while going to school. Again, to me it comes down to the question of are they getting paid enough for their time investment and the risk of injury that they assume.

(08-11-2020 11:55 AM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 06:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Here's the question, already asked elsewhere by others.

If the players aren't safe playing football in a controlled environment with regular testing, how are they safer by hanging out with their friends in a completely uncontrolled environment in the same time frame?

Does anybody seriously think if these players don't attend college or play football, that they're going to all stay home and isolate themselves until we have an effective vaccine, or a cure?

Agree. Players have same fears as everyone else, yet most people don't have the ability to opt-out. Being on campus and having people you interact with (play vs) screened is the safest place.

They will not be going home, they are students first and will still be on campus. Just because they are not playing football doesn't mean they go home...

(08-11-2020 06:54 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:04 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:23 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:00 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  What happens if a #1 QB decides to sit, and his team plays. The next QB steps up and has a fantastic year. Does the QB who sat get his job back?

Its funny you use the term job. Usually you get paid for a job.

My $68,000.00 in student debt suggests they are getting paid to play in a stadium they didn’t build and wear uniforms they didn’t buy and eat food they didn’t pay for and get medical insurance they didn’t purchase. The only question is “are they getting paid enough?” For an 18 year to 22 year old with no real life experience other than playing a game, I personally think they are. Of course if they don’t think so they can always see what value the market will pay for their services in the private sector.

Can we stop calling it "playing a game"? These guys have team meetings all week. They have practices. They put 8-10 hours a day playing football and still attending class. If it's a road game, they have to leave on Friday and travel. They are paying for it.

There is nothing outlined here that most every other student goes through, except the pampering.

BTW you left off cost of attendance payments to athletes that students do not get

(08-12-2020 08:04 AM)griffin Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:54 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

(08-11-2020 06:04 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:23 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:00 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  What happens if a #1 QB decides to sit, and his team plays. The next QB steps up and has a fantastic year. Does the QB who sat get his job back?

Its funny you use the term job. Usually you get paid for a job.

My $68,000.00 in student debt suggests they are getting paid to play in a stadium they didn’t build and wear uniforms they didn’t buy and eat food they didn’t pay for and get medical insurance they didn’t purchase. The only question is “are they getting paid enough?” For an 18 year to 22 year old with no real life experience other than playing a game, I personally think they are. Of course if they don’t think so they can always see what value the market will pay for their services in the private sector.

Can we stop calling it "playing a game"? These guys have team meetings all week. They have practices. They put 8-10 hours a day playing football and still attending class. If it's a road game, they have to leave on Friday and travel. They are paying for it.

There is nothing outlined here that most every other student goes through, except the pampering.

BTW you left off cost of attendance payments to athletes that students do not get

The ordinary college student's job does not involve getting hit by a 200-250 pound human being who can run 40 yards in 4.5-4.7 seconds while going the same speed yourself.
Additionally, prior to the NIL changes, the NCAA actually capped athletics compensation. There was a case of a player a few decades ago who wanted to write weekly blogs to pay for college instead of taking a scholarship. The NCAA said ok-as long as he did not earn more than the scholarship awarded to him. If the regular college student can get a scholarship and then make as much as they want working, then athletes should be free to do the same. It isn't the athlete's problem that no one will pay for a corporate branding sponsorship for a 20 year old working at McDonald's, the athlete's value is higher. Don't blame the free market for wanting to reward that value.

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The study estimates the fair market value of the average FBS football and basketball player to be $120,048 and $265,027.

According to the study, University of Texas football players’ fair market value was $513,922 in 2010 but they lived $778 below the federal poverty line and had a $3,624 scholarship shortfall.

https://drexel.edu/now/archive/2011/Sept...erty-Line/

(08-12-2020 09:12 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  The study estimates the fair market value of the average FBS football and basketball player to be $120,048 and $265,027.

According to the study, University of Texas football players’ fair market value was $513,922 in 2010 but they lived $778 below the federal poverty line and had a $3,624 scholarship shortfall.

https://drexel.edu/now/archive/2011/Sept...erty-Line/

Fair market value is what the total costs of the education, food, student advisors, medical coverage, housing and total costs that a player is willing to accept to play football at a University combined with the total amount a University is willing to spend to have a player come play. The amount of revenue generated by a player is not his fair market value, because none of the initial startup investment in facilities, maintenance etc.. were factored into that Drexel study. It is in essence bias confirmation. Junk in junk out. College fans in particular populate sporting events, and buy merchandise (generate revenue) because of the name on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back. To equate a players worth because he plays for brand A is really establishing the value of brand A not the individual player’s value. Players come and go and are for the most part interchangeable from year to year, however the only constant is the “University.”

Just to close the loop. UCF players returned to practice today, running drills in the indoor practice facility.