(09-14-2020 05:10 AM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/na...582221.htm

Athletes and hearts are a VERY complicated relationship. I go back to the days where doctors believed that running marathons was a 100% guarantee of not dying of a sudden cardiac event. Their logic was that running strengthened the heart and a strong heart was a good thing.

That has been proved to be 'too sunny' of an outlook.

I've run foot races, I think two, where runners died. One was the Annapolis 10-miler and the other could have been the NYC marathon (both were in the 90s and my memory is getting foggy).

Here is a good discussion: Basically running, etc. is good for the athlete but it does very slightly increase the risk of sudden death. But the risk might be say 1:100,000 so most consider it 'nearly zero.'

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3445091/

We are kind of in the dark about say long distance running during a Covid pandemic as marathons have been cancelled.

EDIT:

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm...story.html (I ran in this race).

Here is a list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma...fatalities

(09-14-2020 10:24 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 08:17 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Yes and realistically we may not have football safely until after fall 2021 depending on a vaccine and it's distribution.

I'm going to make my arm chair guess about distribution:

I expect one or more vaccines to be approved during the fourth quarter, 2020.

Distribution begins first quarter, 2021.

Distribution, my GUESS, is based on two factors, risk category AND group memberships.

Risk category is pretty simple: Medical personnel, those in LTC facilities, prisons, school personnel, etc. as well as those who are say 60+ or have certain medical conditions.

Groups: I think most people realize that access to medical care is complex. In a number of organizations they have medical staff on site (e.g., Pentagon). EMU FB has access to the new St. Joes's facility of campus.

A 19 year old EMU FB player will have access to the Covid vaccine long before a 19 year old McDonalds worker can get it from his doctor or his 45 year old father who comes out to repair your HVAC.

If the EMU-St Joes' facility gets 1000 doses, do you not think C.C. will march his players there while the rest of the student body debates it, procrastinates, etc.??

The rational: It is not possible to social distance in FB (although I've seen some DBs who are pretty good at it. And then they social distance, sitting alone, on the bench).

So are you saying that a 19 year old football players life is worth more a 19 year old fast food worker? I lost a 19 year old son who was a fast food worker.

(09-14-2020 10:32 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 05:10 AM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/na...582221.htm

Athletes and hearts are a VERY complicated relationship. I go back to the days where doctors believed that running marathons was a 100% guarantee of not dying of a sudden cardiac event. Their logic was that running strengthened the heart and a strong heart was a good thing.

That has been proved to be 'too sunny' of an outlook.

I've run foot races, I think two, where runners died. One was the Annapolis 10-miler and the other could have been the NYC marathon (both were in the 90s and my memory is getting foggy).

Here is a good discussion: Basically running, etc. is good for the athlete but it does very slightly increase the risk of sudden death. But the risk might be say 1:100,000 so most consider it 'nearly zero.'

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3445091/

We are kind of in the dark about say long distance running during a Covid pandemic as marathons have been cancelled.

EDIT:

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm...story.html (I ran in this race).

Here is a list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma...fatalities

BMI is a predictor of Covid complications and guess what - linemen all fall into that category.

(09-14-2020 11:20 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 10:24 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-14-2020 08:17 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Yes and realistically we may not have football safely until after fall 2021 depending on a vaccine and it's distribution.

I'm going to make my arm chair guess about distribution:

I expect one or more vaccines to be approved during the fourth quarter, 2020.

Distribution begins first quarter, 2021.

Distribution, my GUESS, is based on two factors, risk category AND group memberships.

Risk category is pretty simple: Medical personnel, those in LTC facilities, prisons, school personnel, etc. as well as those who are say 60+ or have certain medical conditions.

Groups: I think most people realize that access to medical care is complex. In a number of organizations they have medical staff on site (e.g., Pentagon). EMU FB has access to the new St. Joes's facility of campus.

A 19 year old EMU FB player will have access to the Covid vaccine long before a 19 year old McDonalds worker can get it from his doctor or his 45 year old father who comes out to repair your HVAC.

If the EMU-St Joes' facility gets 1000 doses, do you not think C.C. will march his players there while the rest of the student body debates it, procrastinates, etc.??

The rational: It is not possible to social distance in FB (although I've seen some DBs who are pretty good at it. And then they social distance, sitting alone, on the bench).

So are you saying that a 19 year old football players life is worth more a 19 year old fast food worker? I lost a 19 year old son who was a fast food worker.

No.

All I'm saying, and I'm sorry, but I never suspected.

What I was getting at is that being a student-athlete OR STUDENT or working at say the Pentagon or maybe a factory means you are working or studying where you have access to an onsite medical facility increases your availability to health care, vaccines, etc. etc.* The key word here is ACCESS. Easy access to health care.

I worked at an agency for 25 years and I could go and weigh myself, get my BP checked, my cholesterol drawn, etc.

* In the 90s I developed a very painful case of periformis syndrome (that is where the periformis muscle in the butt pinches the sciatic nerve). The treatment: put a heavy pad in a hydrocollator and sit out it for say 15 - 30 minutes.

That worked miracles. The muscles 'relaxed' (or whatever) and the problem went away. I got my treatment at work where there was a M.D. and nurses.

I knew a guy who was a cardiac tech who worked at the Pentagon. Lot of medical care there.

All I'm saying is that someone working at the Pentagon is going to have access for the Covid vaccine before someone going through his or her local doc.

It is simply logistics. It is easier to do that than in a high school parking lot or having everyone flood their doctor's office.

I think when I was a kid I got my polio vaccine at school. Believe my mother signed the authorization. Easiest way to do it - have the school nurse shoot up the students.

Got it Steve. Good point on access.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...467171001/

(09-15-2020 12:17 PM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...467171001/

What we are seeing is that some students are doing very well and some students are well we should say, "needs improvement."

I think EMU and its students are doing very well according to an article, with numbers, I read somewhere yesterday.

BTW, this is a post from the main MAC board. I'm trying to determined if it has been confirmed. I haven't seen anything on ESPN or Twitter.

" RE: Big 10 coaches on call to discuss conf season begin Nov
B1G is back to playing football on Oct. 17th. Good for them. Absolutely nothing has changed since late August but whatever, they had to be pressured to get it right. The MAC should be following suit. "

EDIT: This is where the rumors are most likely coming including the Oct. 17 date:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ng-tuesday

BTW, for what it is worth:

I favored the MAC moving UP their season and playing the last game BEFORE Thanksgiving.

(09-15-2020 12:49 PM)emu steve Wrote:  BTW, this is a post from the main MAC board. I'm trying to determined if it has been confirmed. I haven't seen anything on ESPN or Twitter.

" RE: Big 10 coaches on call to discuss conf season begin Nov
B1G is back to playing football on Oct. 17th. Good for them. Absolutely nothing has changed since late August but whatever, they had to be pressured to get it right. The MAC should be following suit. "

EDIT: This is where the rumors are most likely coming including the Oct. 17 date:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ng-tuesday

This does not guarantee that MSU and U-M with their physician University Presidents will join the rest of the conference. The "right" decision will truly be evaluated at some point in the future. I, for one, can sympathize with both sides of any argument.

I read somewhere that the MAC is considering a football season starting in February. Football in the north in February. No.

(09-15-2020 09:57 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  I read somewhere that the MAC is considering a football season starting in February. Football in the north in February. No.

That's the word I'm getting. Full pad practices starting in February, with an eight-game season running through March and April. Conference championships, and possible Spring bowl games. All still in the discussion stage from what I'm hearing, but serious discussion.

In the meantime, EMU football is still doing regular weekly workouts/practices focusing on conditioning, technique, and what they can do for strength (free-weights outside). They are still not going inside for weight room work. And stressing to the guys to be smart and stay safe and healthy.

Big Ten starts games on Oct 24

December B1G football. February MAC football.

Lot of fans will sit home and watch. Madison WI gets pretty cold in December. Twin Cities are worse.

I think the B1G didn't want to lose out of the CFP. With the SEC, ACC, etc. playing they want in.

Our friend Alex has info that maybe the MAC is talking playing FB this fall/winter... Yeah, after p*ssing away September and most of October, we might have winter FB across the Midwest.

https://ypsilantieleven.substack.com/p/b...fall-again

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/colle...0200917135

I am curious as to Espn or another TV networks appetite for spring football in terms of dollars. Would G5 schools maybe get more TV $ if they played let's say a 7 game conference schedule in April and May and a non conference schedule of 5 games in September October? Or 6 in the spring and 6 in the fall with one or two in the fall conference games? Would there be more exposure for G5 schools? In terms of bowls both the spring and fall games would count.



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(09-17-2020 12:57 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Our friend Alex has info that maybe the MAC is talking playing FB this fall/winter... Yeah, after p*ssing away September and most of October, we might have winter FB across the Midwest.

https://ypsilantieleven.substack.com/p/b...fall-again

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/colle...0200917135

This is interesting. I heard some rumors this morning about this potential, so I called my Alex. He said there has been no word to the EMU players about anything but Spring ball. He commented that there are players on some of the other MAC teams that have taken to pushing for Fall ball on Twitter, but he didn't think that would get much traction with the MAC officials. The report above contradicts that, and in this COVID world, nothing is beyond believable.

The word I'm getting is there is a lot of talk about ongoing negotiations with ESPN, ABC, and the MAC to broadcast Spring football. Between the exposure for the MAC and the revenue it would produce, smart money would bet that it's too good an opportunity for the MAC to pass up. However, with PAC12 and now Mountain West considering Fall ball, would it still make sense for ESPN and ABC to push for Spring football based solely on MAC games?

(09-17-2020 01:37 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(09-17-2020 12:57 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Our friend Alex has info that maybe the MAC is talking playing FB this fall/winter... Yeah, after p*ssing away September and most of October, we might have winter FB across the Midwest.

https://ypsilantieleven.substack.com/p/b...fall-again

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/colle...0200917135

This is interesting. I heard some rumors this morning about this potential, so I called my Alex. He said there has been no word to the EMU players about anything but Spring ball. He commented that there are players on some of the other MAC teams that have taken to pushing for Fall ball on Twitter, but he didn't think that would get much traction with the MAC officials. The report above contradicts that, and in this COVID world, nothing is beyond believable.

The word I'm getting is there is a lot of talk about ongoing negotiations with ESPN, ABC, and the MAC to broadcast Spring football. Between the exposure for the MAC and the revenue it would produce, smart money would bet that it's too good an opportunity for the MAC to pass up. However, with PAC12 and now Mountain West considering Fall ball, would it still make sense for ESPN and ABC to push for Spring football based solely on MAC games?

Agree 100%.

If a couple other conferences hold out we'll have a split season.

Back in the mid-80s, we had the NFL in the fall and the USFL in the spring. The USFL played very good football and was fun to watch. They had a national TV deal..

Yes, I do think ESPN/ABC just might up the ante for a 'spring season.' Football is by far the most popular TV sport.

And on Sweet Sixteen weekend, we could have CFB in the early afternoon and MBB in the evening. Only the first weekend of March Madness is the TV schedule packed.

It's unfortunate we have to worry about TV revenue and appeasing ESPN to keep the athletic departments of the MAC afloat. So now they have to cobble together a makeshift plan to play in the fall at the network whim by the looks of it. Paying players is a divisive issue however the players should absolutely organize as a whole and demand a minimum standard for health and safety. We saw it earlier in the year but the schools are caving in and forcing their hand to play. There are so many unknowns with the long-term effects on the body to have thousands of student-athletes be guinea pigs. All with $0 set aside for aid once a player graduates?!

Lot of the pressure is coming from players themselves.