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Taxing the Rich Explained
This is an old one and was even shared with the press when Sarah Huckabee Sanders was Press Secretary.

Liberals Taxing The Rich

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten
comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. “Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.”Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the
first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men – the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’ They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued
to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to
compare their savings.

“I only got a dollar out of the $20,”declared the sixth man. He pointed
to the tenth man,” but he got $10!”

“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!”

“That’s true!!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back
when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get
anything at all. The system exploits the poor!”

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our
tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most
benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being
wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might
start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics
University of Georgia

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
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Lol...

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Taxing the Rich Explained
Is that PS last quip yours or his?

Either way, pretty funny. And true.
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That's gold
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The problem is, 'workers' think that 'owners' can't simply leave the table. They will literally tell you this... because THEY can't... and they think like 'workers' rather than 'owners'. If you can get them to understand this point, that they only need to move their money, not themselves...

Then they will tell you that the tax system is 'being held hostage' by 'owners' and this is where 'wealth confiscation' becomes their 'go to'.... ignoring again that should such a bill even remotely look like it's passing, that they could move their money in minutes while it would take months to put such a bill into action.

If instead they thought like owners... to where taxes are simply another cost of doing business... like labor or anything else... and if they can avoid it or buy a machine (or a trust) that net makes them more, they often will do it.... they MIGHT actually be able to design a tax system that accomplishes their goals.... like VAT. Sure, they can move and spend their money overseas now, but most places worth living in also have VAT... and the left has spent 50 years telling their voters that VAT is 'regressive'.

Worst, if you think about it... the companies most likely to stay and 'create jobs here' despite the extra cost of doing business here are companies that are most often already foregoing some profits in order to 'do good' in their communities... and so we end up punishing these people, while those who simply try and milk every dime out of everything end up paying nothing, or close to it.
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(08-03-2020 11:44 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The problem is, 'workers' think that 'owners' can't simply leave the table. They will literally tell you this... because THEY can't... and they think like 'workers' rather than 'owners'. If you can get them to understand this point, that they only need to move their money, not themselves...

Then they will tell you that the tax system is 'being held hostage' by 'owners' and this is where 'wealth confiscation' becomes their 'go to'.... ignoring again that should such a bill even remotely look like it's passing, that they could move their money in minutes while it would take months to put such a bill into action.

If instead they thought like owners... to where taxes are simply another cost of doing business... like labor or anything else... and if they can avoid it or buy a machine (or a trust) that net makes them more, they often will do it.... they MIGHT actually be able to design a tax system that accomplishes their goals.... like VAT. Sure, they can move and spend their money overseas now, but most places worth living in also have VAT... and the left has spent 50 years telling their voters that VAT is 'regressive'.

Worst, if you think about it... the companies most likely to stay and 'create jobs here' despite the extra cost of doing business here are companies that are most often already foregoing some profits in order to 'do good' in their communities... and so we end up punishing these people, while those who simply try and milk every dime out of everything end up paying nothing, or close to it.

there are a plenty on this board in favor for any version of VAT/consumption vs. today's system.....

like education/vocation reform, or Bismark, it's rarely a whisper...

that's sick/sad....
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(08-03-2020 11:54 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  there are a plenty on this board in favor for any version of VAT/consumption vs. today's system.....

like education/vocation reform, or Bismark, it's rarely a whisper...

that's sick/sad....

Are any of them Democrats?

I recall at the 2012 primaries, almost every Republican candidate had something in their platform including some sort of consumption tax.

The problem is, the left has sold this idea that it's regressive so well that they can't unring that bell, and apparently enough of the 'middle' doesn't get it either such that Republicans aren't willing to go it alone.

Probably mostly because the wealthy on both sides know that they would pay more under that scenario... or at least lose some of the advantages of the current system so they won't support any candidate with a shot at winning who pushes for it.

That's probably why we heard so much about it in 2012.
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(08-03-2020 12:38 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(08-03-2020 11:54 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  there are a plenty on this board in favor for any version of VAT/consumption vs. today's system.....

like education/vocation reform, or Bismark, it's rarely a whisper...

that's sick/sad....

Are any of them Democrats?

I recall at the 2012 primaries, almost every Republican candidate had something in their platform including some sort of consumption tax.

The problem is, the left has sold this idea that it's regressive so well that they can't unring that bell, and apparently enough of the 'middle' doesn't get it either such that Republicans aren't willing to go it alone.

Probably mostly because the wealthy on both sides know that they would pay more under that scenario... or at least lose some of the advantages of the current system so they won't support any candidate with a shot at winning who pushes for it.

That's probably why we heard so much about it in 2012.

ya nailed the 'why'....

it's no different when DJT capped home owner taxes being deductible at 10k....that ruffled more than a few feathers in the NE/west....

buying a 10mm yacht becomes a liquid sticky wicket at that point, ya!
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