(08-03-2020 09:09 AM)griffin Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 08:34 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 08:26 AM)TigerFan40 Wrote:  

(08-02-2020 02:25 PM)Crazier Wrote:  Respect to the players. They won't win but at least they know they're being exploited. If you're against the players getting paid then you should be against these coaches receiving huge contracts and also these schools receiving the huge tv payouts. It's not possible without them.

As per the huge TV payouts, you do realize that at mostly every school, the TV payouts are help to balance the budgets so that tennis, golf, swimming, rowing, etc can still perform? They are wanting their cake and eating it too. They want 50% of the league's profits, yet also want schools to take from their money to keep sports (ie, Stanford dropping sports). You can't get it both ways...either you want your money or you want to save sports.

Inside of the demands that I have seen, there are some that are 100% reachable and should be standard; however, there are a lot that are a pie-in-the-sky type of challenge.

Anyway, just my $.02.

I agree... They might as well have asked for ten bazillion dollars as 50% of revenue.

Most of those schools are break even with subsidies from their respective states... So you could only give the "student athletes" 50% of revenues if they pay 50% of expenses. This includes everything from building upkeep to the salary of the person that empties the garbage at their indoor practice fields and utilities cost... depreciation, etc.

They asked for 50% of the "revenue" or Top Line Revenue without going against any expenses

First responder above used the term "50% of the league's profits" not the same thing as top line revenue.

Just for clarification.

That never ends well.


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(08-03-2020 08:29 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 02:36 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 01:44 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 12:32 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  Let me get this straight...these guys get free college, free housing, free meals, free training, free health care, free clothing, free gear, and more, to do something that they love and some of you use terms like "exploited"?

P.T. Barnum was right.

I got all of that in school except the free gear. If I wanted some gear I guess I'd spend about $200. I didn't make the university millions of dollars either.

Assuming you are referring to an academic scholarship in which case you are incorrect about not generating millions for the University. Between donations for scholarships, state and federal grants that are awarded for research and so on, the collective student body (especially the highly achieving academic students) generate millions upon millions for the University annually.
No students = No professors
No professors = No research
No research = No grants

Damn, now that I think about I need to go back and demand some money from the University for my time and research there...

Me as an individual didn't bring as much revenue as a Zion Williamson for example. I paid my tuition and fees. The rest was refunded to me. I paid 3 thousand a semester back then. It increased to alot more as I graduated. Athletes not only bring in tv revenue, they also increase student enrollment. I remember after 07-08 basketball season you couldn't find a park on campus unless you came early.

It is not a dollar for dollar comparison but rather illustrating the point that regular students, especially high academic achievers, do bring in money for their university despite being harder to measure and not discussed.

But also, no college basketball in country brought as much attention to their university as Zion, probably the most hyped player since LeBron James...

And now the fools smell blood, so they're escalating. The Pac-12 commissioner said he's going to look at it, and they're pushing him to do it faster.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...arry-scott

Quote:"While we appreciate the response, we are looking to move on a faster timeline than you have proposed," an email approved by the group's leadership, and obtained by ESPN, said. "We are two weeks from fall camp and would like to work to come to a resolution so that we can play this season. Every day that we don't have discussions puts players at additional risk of COVID."

(08-03-2020 07:39 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 03:00 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 02:33 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 12:54 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 12:52 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  None of that is free.. its in exchange for their services. Most of it is a necessity of their "job". It would be like calling your work laptop a "free laptop" or calling your job training "free school".

Semantics. But yes, technically you are correct. They get all that stuff, in exchange for playing sports.

My POINT is that to call a college athlete "exploited" or "modern day slavery" is a fuggin' joke.

It is not "Semantics".. "free" means something for nothing. Being paid for profit generating activities is generally known as "compensation".

Compensation is negotiated all the time in the private sector. These guys are negotiating. Its possible to say you arent being fairly compensated without it being slavery. If you look at basketball, recent data points from overseas leagues and the G-league basically for a fact that market value of a top-50 recruit is higher than cost of attendance even if you valued the scholarship at dollar cost (which you shouldn't).

Football is trickier since there is no comparable league and baseball has its own system of paying prospects already so their value is pretty clearly higher than cost of attendance

If you are referring to the top 5% of student-athletes, then you have a point. The overwhelming majority of student-athletes are not revenue generators.

And, my original point still stands, even though you've taken the discussion down a different path. These young men are not being "exploited".

Ummmm...

Some are...Some aren't.

They guys at Alabama are not getting anywhere near their worth.

The guy @ Vandy is probably getting more than he deserves.

Correct. So, how do you determine the value of a starting QB at Alabama as opposed to the 3rd string DT at Vandy? Or, the golf team at Stanford? Or, the wrestling guy at Okie State? It's a giant can of worms.

NterDame2,
The Dudes Ike asked on the street actually drew a crowd and to a Dude and one Dudette all said please leave
They would love to take their deal. BTW, the Dudette is a helluva kicker, she can split the TREY BAR from
35 yards out automatic, but can't hit the deep ball

So how many players are really involved with this? 10%? 50%? 100%? I haven't kept up this this so I don't know if this is a small group of players or not.

(08-05-2020 02:32 PM)Alanda Wrote:  So how many players are really involved with this? 10%? 50%? 100%? I haven't kept up this this so I don't know if this is a small group of players or not.

Nothing that I've seen has given a real number. They did claim that they have representative members from each school in the PAC12.

And NOW the Big10 has a "unity group"

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...s-concerns

Quote:Among the Big Ten players' demands:

Third party, approved by players, to administer COVID testing and to enforce all COVID-19 health and safety standards.

Sufficient penalties for noncompliance.

Mandate for athletic personnel to report suspected violations.

Whistleblower protections for athletic personnel and college athletes reporting a suspected violation. Ban the use of COVID-19 liability waivers.

Automatic medical redshirt for any player who misses any competitions because of a positive test or a mandatory quarantine because of contact tracing.

Preserve athletic eligibility, scholarship and roster spot for any player who opts out of athletic participation or is unable to play more than 40% of their scheduled season because of COVID-19 or season postponement/cancellation.

Coverage for all out-of-pocket medical expenses related to COVID-19 (both short-term and long-term) incurred by active college athletes.

A quick read-over of those demands make a lot more sense than the garbage that the PAC12 put out. I could see them getting these if the NCAA approves it.

(08-05-2020 02:38 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  And NOW the Big10 has a "unity group"

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...s-concerns

Quote:Among the Big Ten players' demands:

Third party, approved by players, to administer COVID testing and to enforce all COVID-19 health and safety standards.

Sufficient penalties for noncompliance.

Mandate for athletic personnel to report suspected violations.

Whistleblower protections for athletic personnel and college athletes reporting a suspected violation. Ban the use of COVID-19 liability waivers.

Automatic medical redshirt for any player who misses any competitions because of a positive test or a mandatory quarantine because of contact tracing.

Preserve athletic eligibility, scholarship and roster spot for any player who opts out of athletic participation or is unable to play more than 40% of their scheduled season because of COVID-19 or season postponement/cancellation.

Coverage for all out-of-pocket medical expenses related to COVID-19 (both short-term and long-term) incurred by active college athletes.

A quick read-over of those demands make a lot more sense than the garbage that the PAC12 put out. I could see them getting these if the NCAA approves it.

Much more reasonable. They probably will not get the automatic red shirt for missing just one game or coverage for all out of pocket medical expenses related to COVID long-term. That is just way too broad but that get figured out to a reasonable time frame.