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RE: SEC goes 10 game, conference only
(Yesterday 06:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:56 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:19 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Well yeah, and I've never claimed the ACC was more self-interested than any other major conference. I was talking back against the idea that it was more selfless, particularly compared to the SEC policy.

IMO, those who complain about the SEC not allowing the ACC to dictate which of their games was canceled this year and say their policy is selfish are IMO themselves being selfish, they have particular POVs that they are presenting as a general interest.
The difference being that college football is partly about traditions and school rivalries. The ACC allowed the close knit universities to have an opportunity to continue 100+ years of history (at least in Georgia and South Carolina) in the midst of a pandemic...possibly competing just meant more for ACC schools. Without a doubt, the ACC media rights would have increased if these games are played.

The SEC retort was, given the pandemic, money trumps tradition.

Now we're in the realm of speculating about motives. FWIW, as an SEC football fan, my initial reaction as to the way the SEC should respond to the ACC decision wasn't along the lines of money but principle - it appeared to me that the ACC was trying to dictate which of their common games would be canceled and which played, and in a manner that was advantageous to the ACC, and that the SEC should demure from going along on the general principle that you don't allow yourself to be cajoled like that, even if the ACC idea was a good one. It also seemed like the ACC was pursuing its interests while cloaking itself in the mantle of protecting rivalries.

The only really aggrieved party I can see in all this is Notre Dame - the ACC claimed it was motivated to protect traditional rivalries, but their rule canceled Notre Dame's game at Navy, a rivalry as traditional as any of the others being protected. That could have been accomplished by allowing all ACC teams to travel out of state to their one OOC game, not really a big deal from a pandemic POV given that all kinds of ACC teams will be traveling to other states for ACC games.
This year a disproportionate number of ACC v SEC games were scheduled to be played at ACC universities...with the ACC having 5x more home games and media rights than the SEC. UF at FSU, SC at Clemson, UK at Louisville, Miss St at NC St (even Ark at ND...if you count ND as an ACC school) while only GT at UGA tried to balance the ledger. The ACC had the most vested financial interest in scheduling out of conference games. The SEC’s leverage was that 2020 would be their best year to cancel OOC games.

You’re stretching logic to make yourself somehow believe that the SEC is the aggrieved party.

FWIW - I disagree with your assertion that travel is not “really a big deal from a pandemic POV”. I believe that ND and Navy absolutely made the right call by canceling the excess travel associated with the game scheduled in Ireland. Minimizing travel is absolutely something that universities should be considering. It is possible that ND could have been aggrieved by the ACC policy...they could work with Navy to potentially switch home&home years (which makes Navy the aggrieved party); regardless, it doesn’t detract from the willingness to at least allow OOC scheduling and maintain historic rivalries.

There's zero stretch of logic - the ACC did act unilaterally to cancel some ACC-SEC games, but then left the door open to hold others. That's a pretty clear case of the ACC trying to determine for the SEC which ACC - SEC games get played and which ones do not. So while I did not say the SEC was "aggrieved" in any way, I said that on principle, if I was an SEC school I would not allow that to happen. And I'm glad they didn't.

As for ND vs Navy in Ireland, I agree canceling that location was a good move, but it really isn't relevant here, as that involves international travel, which is an entirely different can of worms. I bet there are Irish officials that are glad that several hundred Americans aren't going to be traveling there, possibly bringing more virus. No-brainer to cancel that.

But the whole idea of an 11th game, an OOC game, runs counter to the idea of "minimizing travel". And specifically, the ACC insisting that any ND - Navy game be played in South Bend? There's no good reason for that. The pandemic doesn't care about which team is home and which team is away, so the notion that Notre Dame could "work with" Navy to get them to come to South Bend is ridiculous - there's as much chance of virus spreading when a team travels from Annapolis to South Bend as there is traveling from South Bend to Annapolis.

FWIW, I doubt ND is trying to get Navy to do that, as it would be affront to Navy, asking them to sacrifice their turn to host the game for no better reason than to comply with an ACC rule crafted - in spite of pandemic minimization - so that Georgia Tech could play Georgia. Hilarious!

The same is true for the other 10 ACC teams that will now look to schedule OOC games - the virus can travel just as easily from "non-ACC state" to "ACC state" (as required by the dumb rule) as it can from the ACC state to the non-ACC state.

So that rule is pretty clearly designed to just make money for the ACC by creating more home games across the board.

Really, the more we dive in to this, the more ridonkulously self-centered the ACC plan turns out to be.

The ACC policy (i.e., out-of-conference games shall be played in-State) impacted two games. The kickoff neutral site games originally scheduled between UVA v UGA, and UNC v Auburn. The other 5 (or 6 if you count ND as an ACC member) games could have continued. It appears that we disagree on the pandemic risks associated with travel. Assuming the season progresses as currently scheduled, it’ll be interesting to see whether UGA v UF (“world’s largest outdoor cocktail party”) isn’t relocated to a campus site in order to try to better enforce social distancing.

The SEC policy (i.e., no out-of-conference games) eliminated the opportunity for the other 5/6 games. I don’t believe that the SEC created its policy for safety concerns...travel from Lexington to Louisville, Columbia to Clemson, Atlanta to Athens and Gainesville to Tallahassee would likely be the shortest distances that those schools will travel to away games this year. SEC support for long term rivalries ended because the overwhelming majority of the games in 2020 were previously scheduled at ACC sites. The SEC’s slogan (“it just means more”) was soundly proved false...the SEC is about the money, regardless to the impact on long-term rivalries.
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